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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 11:06 GMT
#1421
On December 13 2012 19:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 19:55 Palmar wrote:
On December 13 2012 19:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
VE....... what? You make a giant case and then 3 posts later admit you didn't read my filter, but my vig claim is scummy somehow?

I think it's likely that debears and marv were targets of scum kp and vigi, as picking debears as your only nk would be weird.


No, debears started the accusations against Adam, so he was essentially confirmed town, it's not weird for scum to shoot into confirmed townies.


I understand that, but leaving both you and marv alive if you're both town (which so far I think you are) would be.... not that smart.


Why not? Clearly I was tunneling a townie anyway
Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 11:09 GMT
#1422
Ehhh, fair point. I still wouldn't keep you both alive past N1, but yeah it's possible scum don't have a vigi or didn't use the shot yet.

BL if you're here please answer my question.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 13 2012 11:10 GMT
#1423
On December 13 2012 19:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 19:48 Bluelightz wrote:
On December 13 2012 19:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
One more thing about this post, actually:
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out stuff in the game:

Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"


Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.


Why would you ask that good sir?


Do you think I'm scum?


No
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 13 2012 11:12 GMT
#1424
On December 13 2012 20:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ehhh, fair point. I still wouldn't keep you both alive past N1, but yeah it's possible scum don't have a vigi or didn't use the shot yet.

BL if you're here please answer my question.


Where did the second shot come from if then?
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 11:13 GMT
#1425
On December 13 2012 20:10 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 19:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
On December 13 2012 19:48 Bluelightz wrote:
On December 13 2012 19:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
One more thing about this post, actually:
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out stuff in the game:

Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"


Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.


Why would you ask that good sir?


Do you think I'm scum?


No


So why are you discrediting me as a player, rather than my case on you. Why does my "effort" matter to you. Why have you acted this way to me ever since I made my case on you, yet you think I'm town.

Better yet, why don't you have a scumread on anyone?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 11:13 GMT
#1426
On December 13 2012 20:12 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 20:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ehhh, fair point. I still wouldn't keep you both alive past N1, but yeah it's possible scum don't have a vigi or didn't use the shot yet.

BL if you're here please answer my question.


Where did the second shot come from if then?


Me and scum kp, wtf.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 13 2012 11:18 GMT
#1427
Hi guise I'm back.

Clarity, may I ask why you didn't shoot BL?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 11:21 GMT
#1428
Ya. Because at that time I trusted bugs and marv to make a correct read more than myself. I could see the bugs thing the same way I could see the adam thing but I was doubting the adam thing.
I got no traction on BL day 1, and I was asking for feedback on him throughout the nightcycle but didn't get it.

I didn't wanna ruin the game by being the guy shouting BL is scum for 24 hours, then shooting him when no one agreed with me and him flipping town somehow.

tl;dr: insecurities and selfish reasons.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 11:28 GMT
#1429
I'm just going to work backwards. List the people I don't want to lynch and why, then try to get a lynch into the remaining players.

Players I don't think we should consider lynching

Palmar: because I'm towny as fuck

Clarity: he was active, critical and clearly reading the thread on day 1. He shot bugs, which seems like an unlikely mafia shot. I think he gets a pass for a while

Marv: second guy on the Adam wagon, even if I'd like him to actually do something more, I don't think we can afford to lynch him just yet. Not to mention Bugs also had a town read on him.

thrawn: his day 1 actions just don't make sense if he's scum. I need to look better into what he did later.

------

This leaves Tunkeg, Z-Bos, Hap, Vivax, VE, Djdrof, BL, grush and Jay

This is where it gets kinda shady, there's probably at least 2, if not 3 mafia in this group.

Bugs was pretty adamant that Jay is town. As I explained in my day 1 reads, while I thought at the time he was more scummy than Tunk, I still didn't think Jay was actually scum, even if clarity's case had some points in it.

Bugs called Jay "the easiest mislynch in history of TL Mafia". I think I'm willing to take Jay from the pool of potential candidates.

That leaves 8.

I'm not quite sure whom to eliminate next from the race. I'm thinking maybe one of Hapa, grush or Z-bos. But I cannot know which one, or if I even want to take one of them out.

Please, comment on this approach and help me figure things out.

Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 11:31 GMT
#1430
I think grush is a bad lynch but only because I can't read him at all and a dive into his meta just confused the shit out of me.
Hapa looks like town to me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 11:32 GMT
#1431
Yeah, Hapa does indeed look like town, but I also think Hapa is very intelligent and capable of looking like town even when he isn't. But maybe it's best to take things at face value this early in the game. Technically we're still ahead with that day 1 scum lynch.

Grush did join the wagon correctly on adam, and call bugs's alignment correctly. Not sure what that makes him.
Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 11:33 GMT
#1432
It's easy to be right when you're scum and you know no one listens to you. Still a bad lynch at this point I feel.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 11:35 GMT
#1433
Those are my thoughts exactly.

What do you make of Djdrof, I haven't read his latest contributions but before last the daypost I was ready to lynch him with almost the same force I wanted to lynch Bugs.
Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 11:38 GMT
#1434
I cannot read Djo for the life of me. I don't think I can use meta to read him at all because I think he adapts his scum play quite well. So that leaves me with what he's done this game, and honestly I like it. Cases are good.
He's not a strong townread but he's leaning town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 13 2012 11:40 GMT
#1435
I'll be commenting properly in like 4-5 hours when I'm back from an exam.

For the moment, I think your approach sucks. I don't know where you get your townread on thrawn and Marv.

Since that stunt thrawn has been pretty complacent in his play. Feels to me like he thinks he's got a freeride card for not doing anything since that. It's a pretty subjective opinion atm, but you're free to question it.

Other than that, I don't know how you can't put me among townies, but maybe I'm just being biased.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 11:40 GMT
#1436
Btw, just to paste this here, this is the list of people Djo addressed using his @ someone syntax, in the order which he did it. No idea if this is relevant at all.

thrawn
debears
jay
debears
jay
thrawn
Bugs
Bugs
Bugs
debears
Bugs
Munk-E
marv
Vivax
Z-Boson
Tunkeg
thrawn
thrawn
Hapa (Munk-E)
Palmar
marv
Z-Bos
Jay
Jay
thrawn
Palmar
Hapa
Clarity
thrawn
VE
Palmar
Jay
Hapa
Hapa
Hapa
VE
VE
VE
BL
Computer says mafia
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 13 2012 11:46 GMT
#1437
@ Palmar

I think it is a valid approach. Did you read my latest post on WBG last bluff ?
I think you should take Vivax out of the list for his reactions at that time. Obvsiouly you should remove me from the list as well ^^

My conclusion is that the remaining scum players are among BL, Tunkeg, VE, Hapa and Z-Bo. I'm not for removing Jay from the list but I'm going to follow Wbg and you on this one.

@ Z-Bo

I'm gonna be seriously concerned about you if you don't find a mafia player today.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 11:48 GMT
#1438
That's a loaded threat towards Z-Bo. I don't like it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 11:48 GMT
#1439
Remember, you're calling him out for not finding mafia today, when yesterday you tried to stop me lynching mafia.
Computer says mafia
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 13 2012 11:51 GMT
#1440
On December 13 2012 20:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 20:10 Bluelightz wrote:
On December 13 2012 19:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
On December 13 2012 19:48 Bluelightz wrote:
On December 13 2012 19:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
One more thing about this post, actually:
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out stuff in the game:

Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"


Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.


Why would you ask that good sir?


Do you think I'm scum?


No


So why are you discrediting me as a player, rather than my case on you. Why does my "effort" matter to you. Why have you acted this way to me ever since I made my case on you, yet you think I'm town.

Better yet, why don't you have a scumread on anyone?


Because I haven't had the time? I think your town but how you push me is troubling. Discrediting your case is kinda a no-no since I responded and you haven't responded back.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
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