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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 13 2012 09:39 GMT
#1401
Oh a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar huh? Like, the way you and Hapa keep attesting that anyone doubting his claim is stupid, you mean like that kind of put on the radar?

Palmar are you at least following what I'm saying?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 13 2012 09:40 GMT
#1402
On December 13 2012 18:36 Tunkeg wrote:
So WBG was a jk this game. So my entire scum or stupid analysis on him was wrong. He turened out to be just stupid.

Also anyone doubting clarity's claim is stupid. There is no reason at all for a scum clarity to claim such a hit. He had alot of towncred allready, a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar.

Scum don't have a vig, as they would have taken out Palmar with it, doublestacking. Or perhaps some other vet they view as dangerous. With no vig they went for the best safe option, taking out someone who by pushing Adam early was looking very townie, and who wasn't likely to be protected.


Everything you said could of happened by chance, not definite.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 09:43 GMT
#1403
oh right, I thought you meant he was trolling me about misusing the words, which I never do.

I want to add this thought about Tunkeg's martyr post. Remember that if we assume he is scum, he knows bugs and I are both town, so what are the implications if I fail to stop the wagon that at the time was on him and swing it over to Adam? If he's scum he leaves a lot of things to be considered if he flips, and "opinions" on two loud town players between Bugs and I.

My initial thoughts were that if he is scum, he wouldn't dare leave such strong opinions on us, especially as I had already voiced my suspicions of Bugs, and scum calling him scum then flipping scum would probably make me rethink the issue.

I still feel the most reasonable explanation is that Tunkeg isn't scum.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 09:44 GMT
#1404
On December 13 2012 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar huh? Like, the way you and Hapa keep attesting that anyone doubting his claim is stupid, you mean like that kind of put on the radar?

Palmar are you at least following what I'm saying?


I'm not even reading your posts.
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 13 2012 09:45 GMT
#1405
You fucking dick.

Fine I'm going to bed.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 13 2012 09:45 GMT
#1406
On December 13 2012 18:43 Palmar wrote:
oh right, I thought you meant he was trolling me about misusing the words, which I never do.

I want to add this thought about Tunkeg's martyr post. Remember that if we assume he is scum, he knows bugs and I are both town, so what are the implications if I fail to stop the wagon that at the time was on him and swing it over to Adam? If he's scum he leaves a lot of things to be considered if he flips, and "opinions" on two loud town players between Bugs and I.

My initial thoughts were that if he is scum, he wouldn't dare leave such strong opinions on us, especially as I had already voiced my suspicions of Bugs, and scum calling him scum then flipping scum would probably make me rethink the issue.

I still feel the most reasonable explanation is that Tunkeg isn't scum.



In one sense, I agree, however Adam left us with something pretty similar as well. I guess my objection to the martyr post is the attitude of - "oh I'm getting lynched, guess I'll finally get around to provide some reads but w/e I'm dead I'll be playing dota"
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 13 2012 09:47 GMT
#1407
Well anywho I'm off to bed. Bluelightz + Tunkeg, y'all have some votes on you atm. Try to reply to what you can.

G'nite
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 13 2012 09:47 GMT
#1408
On December 13 2012 18:43 Palmar wrote:
oh right, I thought you meant he was trolling me about misusing the words, which I never do.

I want to add this thought about Tunkeg's martyr post. Remember that if we assume he is scum, he knows bugs and I are both town, so what are the implications if I fail to stop the wagon that at the time was on him and swing it over to Adam? If he's scum he leaves a lot of things to be considered if he flips, and "opinions" on two loud town players between Bugs and I.

My initial thoughts were that if he is scum, he wouldn't dare leave such strong opinions on us, especially as I had already voiced my suspicions of Bugs, and scum calling him scum then flipping scum would probably make me rethink the issue.

I still feel the most reasonable explanation is that Tunkeg isn't scum.



This is not true at all.
Adam flipped scum and his list post was saying that WBG was scum. It didn't change your opinion at all.

Adam and Tunkeg lists look almost the same, it's just lists fitting the general consensus.

What's up with your double standards ?
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
December 13 2012 09:49 GMT
#1409
On December 13 2012 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar huh? Like, the way you and Hapa keep attesting that anyone doubting his claim is stupid, you mean like that kind of put on the radar?

Palmar are you at least following what I'm saying?


It has put him back on the radar. People are looking into him again. Clarity had so much towncred before this hit, that scum would probably put some other guy to claim if they wanted to claim. Also scum would never hit WBG in the shitty position he was in. I find it very likely he would have been lynched day 2 had he not been shot. I would definately have voted for him today.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 09:53 GMT
#1410
On December 13 2012 18:47 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 18:43 Palmar wrote:
oh right, I thought you meant he was trolling me about misusing the words, which I never do.

I want to add this thought about Tunkeg's martyr post. Remember that if we assume he is scum, he knows bugs and I are both town, so what are the implications if I fail to stop the wagon that at the time was on him and swing it over to Adam? If he's scum he leaves a lot of things to be considered if he flips, and "opinions" on two loud town players between Bugs and I.

My initial thoughts were that if he is scum, he wouldn't dare leave such strong opinions on us, especially as I had already voiced my suspicions of Bugs, and scum calling him scum then flipping scum would probably make me rethink the issue.

I still feel the most reasonable explanation is that Tunkeg isn't scum.



This is not true at all.
Adam flipped scum and his list post was saying that WBG was scum. It didn't change your opinion at all.

Adam and Tunkeg lists look almost the same, it's just lists fitting the general consensus.

What's up with your double standards ?


Adam's list just felt so manufactured that I ignored it. Also the timing was much worse than on Tunkeg's one.

I'm not willing to go as far as calling Tunkeg a town read, but the most reasonable explanation to everything has happened is that he's not scum. But there are other things I need to look into.

For example, do I think that two, or even three of the primary targets on day 1 (tunkeg, jay, adam) were scum? If so, what can I read into how and who pushed each wagon.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 09:54 GMT
#1411
On December 13 2012 18:49 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar huh? Like, the way you and Hapa keep attesting that anyone doubting his claim is stupid, you mean like that kind of put on the radar?

Palmar are you at least following what I'm saying?


It has put him back on the radar. People are looking into him again. Clarity had so much towncred before this hit, that scum would probably put some other guy to claim if they wanted to claim. Also scum would never hit WBG in the shitty position he was in. I find it very likely he would have been lynched day 2 had he not been shot. I would definately have voted for him today.


This I agree with, even while we most often convince ourselves that scum plays to try to confuse us, scum usually sticks to fairly logical things. I had a lot of influence in town, and a decent cred from almost everyone, so Bugs was in for some serious trouble today. It's simply unlikely scum shot him.

Just for meta's sake, it's generally better to shoot inactive/non-talking scum and to lynch the loud ones.
Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 10:31 GMT
#1412
VE....... what? You make a giant case and then 3 posts later admit you didn't read my filter, but my vig claim is scummy somehow?

I think it's likely that debears and marv were targets of scum kp and vigi, as picking debears as your only nk would be weird.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 10:35 GMT
#1413
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out some stuff in the game:

Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"


I only give additional info because I got asked? No one asked me to look into your meta.
Also note how you've posted nothing of value since my case on you, so there's nothing to report other than you're still scum.

Your response to my case was pitiful and not worth commenting on.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 10:39 GMT
#1414
One more thing about this post, actually:
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out stuff in the game:

Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"


Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 13 2012 10:48 GMT
#1415
On December 13 2012 19:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
One more thing about this post, actually:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out stuff in the game:

Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"


Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.


Why would you ask that good sir?
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 13 2012 10:49 GMT
#1416
On December 13 2012 19:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out some stuff in the game:

Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"


I only give additional info because I got asked? No one asked me to look into your meta.
Also note how you've posted nothing of value since my case on you, so there's nothing to report other than you're still scum.

Your response to my case was pitiful and not worth commenting on.


Don't see your effort.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 10:52 GMT
#1417
On December 13 2012 19:48 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 19:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
One more thing about this post, actually:
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out stuff in the game:

Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"


Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.


Why would you ask that good sir?


Do you think I'm scum?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2012 10:55 GMT
#1418
On December 13 2012 19:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
VE....... what? You make a giant case and then 3 posts later admit you didn't read my filter, but my vig claim is scummy somehow?

I think it's likely that debears and marv were targets of scum kp and vigi, as picking debears as your only nk would be weird.


No, debears started the accusations against Adam, so he was essentially confirmed town, it's not weird for scum to shoot into confirmed townies.
Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 13 2012 10:56 GMT
#1419
On December 13 2012 19:55 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 19:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
VE....... what? You make a giant case and then 3 posts later admit you didn't read my filter, but my vig claim is scummy somehow?

I think it's likely that debears and marv were targets of scum kp and vigi, as picking debears as your only nk would be weird.


No, debears started the accusations against Adam, so he was essentially confirmed town, it's not weird for scum to shoot into confirmed townies.


I understand that, but leaving both you and marv alive if you're both town (which so far I think you are) would be.... not that smart.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 13 2012 10:57 GMT
#1420
@ Bluelightz

Do you even have a scumread right now ?
You are going to be lynched if you keep on playing the way you do because you just don't contribute.
If you are town, shape up now !
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