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On September 06 2011 13:27 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 13:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
I must have down syndrome.
Here's a scenario:
Lyote in the fucking way.
You kill it. It's the early game, so you don't have that much to do.
You assume the casters are watching, so you dance. They are probably not talking about really anything since the openings are rather generic and/or something relatively fast to explain.
I don't know if you're intentionally avoiding the other side of the argument or simply just being stubborn, but name another instance in that game where it was clear they were stream-cheating. Nonsense. The lyote wasn't in the way of ANYTHING. So you're telling me that with a bunch of money on the line, you're not taking it seriously, killing a lyote? Your reason is not valid.
Are you kidding me, I just saw the stupid video. They're talking about the Lyote for a good 30 seconds at least. You've got to be kidding me.
Come on, just let it go. It's so petty and sad.
It makes no sense, if you're cheating and money's on the line, why would you be so blatant with how you cheat? That's twice you list rationale and logic, but when it comes to the "crime", you seem crazed and ignore all obvious notes of common sense.
What's your reasoning behind that?
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On September 06 2011 13:28 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 13:27 ProTech wrote:On September 06 2011 13:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
I must have down syndrome.
Here's a scenario:
Lyote in the fucking way.
You kill it. It's the early game, so you don't have that much to do.
You assume the casters are watching, so you dance. They are probably not talking about really anything since the openings are rather generic and/or something relatively fast to explain.
I don't know if you're intentionally avoiding the other side of the argument or simply just being stubborn, but name another instance in that game where it was clear they were stream-cheating. Nonsense. The lyote wasn't in the way of ANYTHING. So you're telling me that with a bunch of money on the line, you're not taking it seriously, killing a lyote? Your reason is not valid. Are you kidding me, I just saw the stupid video. They're talking about the Lyote for a good 30 seconds at least. You've got to be kidding me. Come on, just let it go. It's so petty and sad. It makes no sense, if you're cheating and money's on the line, why would you be so blatant with how you cheat? What's your reasoning behind that?
Petty and sad? It's obvious stream cheating, and someone else deserves team wizards prize money.
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Where else have they been stream-cheating?
If the money is so important (which you value and maybe they don't as much. People having different values is not something new to either of us), why tell everyone they're cheating by doing something so trivial?
If you have the intention of winning, why make it so blatant that you're cheating, forfeiting your chances?
Show another instance that he's clearly cheating.
Petty and sad in my opinion. There isn't much to go on and even if they are cheating, you're not making a strong case to prove it.
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On September 06 2011 13:21 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 13:15 CCow wrote:
No one needs to explain anything.
Because there is nothing to explain.
You go here and whine about something completely random. That stuff happens several times every day at GSL or any other major tour, that there is any random comment followed by a random action. The probability of such things happening once is kind of big.
You and Power attacking the techlab researching siege, canceling it at 98% or something in the last game is pretty much the same, random, thing.
You will need like 5+ of such incidences per game before they are anywhere near a proof.
The biggest thing YOU aren't adressing is why Wizards wouldn't use the "cheat" to win, rather then to entertain the viewership. This just makes zero sense and really takes away everything from your accusation.
It makes me more than sad seeing a featured streamer accusing anyone with such rubbish. Your flaming of TL-members on your stream made it even worse. My zerglings were poking in and out of the front of their base, they made a tech lab as a part of a wall. If it's flashing green, then you attack it. We attacked the front of their base BASED OFF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD FROM MY UNITS POKING THE FRONT OF THEIR BASE. 1 BUNKER, NO UNITS we were doing an all in build. So don't fucking sit there and say that our attack was suspicious. Whether or not siege mode was complete mad zero difference in our attack. It's not like a siege'd tank was going to stop what we were doing anyway. I want someone to explain to me why as the broadcasters are talking about the lyote, they kill it, then dance. I mean you seriously have to have down syndrome not to find that awkward in the least. Give me an explanation ( and NO someone msging you will not work because as per PTSL RULES you are supposed to be set on BUSY mode so you shouldn't be getting msgs from people during the game so that won't be valid. ) And I want you all to understand something: The reason I am pursuing this, is because I don't think it's fair. If they were in fact stream cheating, then why is OK for them to get prize money, whereas if they weren't cheating, the outcome could have possibly be different. The way I see it, is if they were stream cheating that is potentially STEALING someone elses money who WASNT cheating, and they in fact deserved it.
You don't seem to understand my point. I never in any way said anyone was cheating. Because I don't think anyone did. The lyote was annoying, so they killed it.
The casters talking about it was just random.
Just as the casters talking about the siege.
It is random.
And as YOU are the person accusing THEM,YOU should get some valid proof before THEY have to explain ANYTHING.
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On September 06 2011 13:35 CCow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 13:21 ProTech wrote:On September 06 2011 13:15 CCow wrote:
No one needs to explain anything.
Because there is nothing to explain.
You go here and whine about something completely random. That stuff happens several times every day at GSL or any other major tour, that there is any random comment followed by a random action. The probability of such things happening once is kind of big.
You and Power attacking the techlab researching siege, canceling it at 98% or something in the last game is pretty much the same, random, thing.
You will need like 5+ of such incidences per game before they are anywhere near a proof.
The biggest thing YOU aren't adressing is why Wizards wouldn't use the "cheat" to win, rather then to entertain the viewership. This just makes zero sense and really takes away everything from your accusation.
It makes me more than sad seeing a featured streamer accusing anyone with such rubbish. Your flaming of TL-members on your stream made it even worse. My zerglings were poking in and out of the front of their base, they made a tech lab as a part of a wall. If it's flashing green, then you attack it. We attacked the front of their base BASED OFF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD FROM MY UNITS POKING THE FRONT OF THEIR BASE. 1 BUNKER, NO UNITS we were doing an all in build. So don't fucking sit there and say that our attack was suspicious. Whether or not siege mode was complete mad zero difference in our attack. It's not like a siege'd tank was going to stop what we were doing anyway. I want someone to explain to me why as the broadcasters are talking about the lyote, they kill it, then dance. I mean you seriously have to have down syndrome not to find that awkward in the least. Give me an explanation ( and NO someone msging you will not work because as per PTSL RULES you are supposed to be set on BUSY mode so you shouldn't be getting msgs from people during the game so that won't be valid. ) And I want you all to understand something: The reason I am pursuing this, is because I don't think it's fair. If they were in fact stream cheating, then why is OK for them to get prize money, whereas if they weren't cheating, the outcome could have possibly be different. The way I see it, is if they were stream cheating that is potentially STEALING someone elses money who WASNT cheating, and they in fact deserved it. You don't seem to understand my point. I never in any way said anyone was cheating. Because I don't think anyone did. The lyote was annoying, so they killed it. The casters talking about it was just random. Just as the casters talking about the siege. It is random. And as YOU are the person accusing THEM,YOU should get some valid proof before THEY have to explain ANYTHING.
Innocent before proven guilty exactly.
You're not guilty unless there is valid proof, not coincidental or a one-time thing.
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Low IQ banter.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 06 2011 13:30 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 13:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 06 2011 13:27 ProTech wrote:On September 06 2011 13:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
I must have down syndrome.
Here's a scenario:
Lyote in the fucking way.
You kill it. It's the early game, so you don't have that much to do.
You assume the casters are watching, so you dance. They are probably not talking about really anything since the openings are rather generic and/or something relatively fast to explain.
I don't know if you're intentionally avoiding the other side of the argument or simply just being stubborn, but name another instance in that game where it was clear they were stream-cheating. Nonsense. The lyote wasn't in the way of ANYTHING. So you're telling me that with a bunch of money on the line, you're not taking it seriously, killing a lyote? Your reason is not valid. Are you kidding me, I just saw the stupid video. They're talking about the Lyote for a good 30 seconds at least. You've got to be kidding me. Come on, just let it go. It's so petty and sad. It makes no sense, if you're cheating and money's on the line, why would you be so blatant with how you cheat? What's your reasoning behind that? Petty and sad? It's obvious stream cheating, and someone else deserves team wizards prize money.
You are revealing yourself to be exceptionally stupid. Basically, you've suggested the following narrative:
i) Wizards stream cheats.
ii) While stream cheating, they perform build orders which are countered by your build orders. They do not appear to adjust based on caster commentary.
iii) They hear the commentators talking about a lyote and decide to blow their cover by killing the lyote and dancing. They gain no strategic advantage but risk revealing that they're cheating and severely damaging their reputation.
And that somehow makes sense to you? Also, bonus stupid points for using an argument that applies with even more force to Wizards ('oh why would I ever reveal that on stream if I was trying to hide it?')
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On September 06 2011 13:47 PtM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 13:30 ProTech wrote:On September 06 2011 13:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 06 2011 13:27 ProTech wrote:On September 06 2011 13:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
I must have down syndrome.
Here's a scenario:
Lyote in the fucking way.
You kill it. It's the early game, so you don't have that much to do.
You assume the casters are watching, so you dance. They are probably not talking about really anything since the openings are rather generic and/or something relatively fast to explain.
I don't know if you're intentionally avoiding the other side of the argument or simply just being stubborn, but name another instance in that game where it was clear they were stream-cheating. Nonsense. The lyote wasn't in the way of ANYTHING. So you're telling me that with a bunch of money on the line, you're not taking it seriously, killing a lyote? Your reason is not valid. Are you kidding me, I just saw the stupid video. They're talking about the Lyote for a good 30 seconds at least. You've got to be kidding me. Come on, just let it go. It's so petty and sad. It makes no sense, if you're cheating and money's on the line, why would you be so blatant with how you cheat? What's your reasoning behind that? Petty and sad? It's obvious stream cheating, and someone else deserves team wizards prize money. You are revealing yourself to be exceptionally stupid. Basically, you've suggested the following narrative: i) Wizards stream cheats. ii) While stream cheating, they perform build orders which are countered by your build orders. They do not appear to adjust based on caster commentary. iii) They hear the commentators talking about a lyote and decide to blow their cover by killing the lyote and dancing. They gain no strategic advantage but risk revealing that they're cheating and severely damaging their reputation. And that somehow makes sense to you? Also, bonus stupid points for using an argument that applies with even more force to Wizards ('oh why would I ever reveal that on stream if I was trying to hide it?')
Thankyou, yes. This exactly (minus the "stupid" accusations).
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Yeah just don't take it too personally. He's getting owned on his stream right now by well mannered Grand Master players and accusing them as well.
btw thanks for the reps Wizard
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Protech if you believe wizards stream cheated then point out other instances of them doing so. Dancing after killing the animal proves nothing. Why would they dance and draw attention to it? Most cheaters would be very afraid to accidentally show anything that could be used as proof of their cheating. So what possible motivation would they have to dance if they were cheating ?
Also if they were so careless as to slip that they were cheating there surely there would be many other instances of their cheating throughout the tournament. So how about instead of yelling non stop about the same point over and over again you actually provide some other examples as evidence.
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Yeah just don't take it too personally. He's getting owned on his stream right now by well mannered Grand Master players and accusing them as well.
Stop trying to troll MannerChomp, he never got owned by anyone in GM. If by GM you are referring to Baz he lost to Baz I think once last night(DeSaix's mass immortals instead of colossus ring a bell?) and won vs him 3-4 times? I think you are just a bit on the sour side he stopped your cannon rushes all night.
Anyway, this needs to stop. Protech, you're just dragging your name through the mud by pursueing this any further. You took one example of fishy behavior in Wizards gameplay and jumped right to assume they are stream cheaters consistantly. You spoke earlier about how the video of you saying you tried to hack back in 2008(?) on Brood War and couldn't get the thing to work, saying that it was taken completely out of context. I feel like that is exactly what you are doing here. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm still a fan. You should let this one go though.
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The newest replay pack featuring PTSL games is not available guys  Just sayin'.
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On September 06 2011 22:05 Xethra wrote:Show nested quote +Yeah just don't take it too personally. He's getting owned on his stream right now by well mannered Grand Master players and accusing them as well.
Stop trying to troll MannerChomp, he never got owned by anyone in GM. If by GM you are referring to Baz he lost to Baz I think once last night(DeSaix's mass immortals instead of colossus ring a bell?) and won vs him 3-4 times? I think you are just a bit on the sour side he stopped your cannon rushes all night. Anyway, this needs to stop. Protech, you're just dragging your name through the mud by pursueing this any further. You took one example of fishy behavior in Wizards gameplay and jumped right to assume they are stream cheaters consistantly. You spoke earlier about how the video of you saying you tried to hack back in 2008(?) on Brood War and couldn't get the thing to work, saying that it was taken completely out of context. I feel like that is exactly what you are doing here. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm still a fan. You should let this one go though.
How am I trolling? I am refering to Kyhol and Gatored.
I am just speaking the god awful truth. So many people are wrongfully accused of cheating by this guy and it's ridiculous wrap to have And to also have all of Protech's fan boys from his stream spamming you and calling you a cheater is annoying, when most of them are gold and have 0 game sense.
Lol how would i be sour when losing to him with my off race last night? When I beat up on him with my ZERG ^_^
And you're talking about the game where Desaix had 3x the Army of Protech cuz he decided to 1 base roach rush on tyardor keep by himslef vs a T/Z?????
Yeah that game rings a bell.... OFC HE went back on his stream and blamed desaix for that game and you one of his fan boys agreed with him... When in fact it was his own fault. Come on now don't be so easily influenced.
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I'm so baffled by the ignorance in this thread.
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Another thing:
I dont give a shit if im dragging my name thru the mud if you people cant see they were stream cheating during the tournament then i feel really sad for you.
Obviously the reason you cast a tournament via replays is so this kind of shit doesnt happen and you know for 100% fact that its going to happen and it did.
Your IQ level is horrific if you cant see it in that link i sent, THX.
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On September 06 2011 22:05 Xethra wrote:Show nested quote +Yeah just don't take it too personally. He's getting owned on his stream right now by well mannered Grand Master players and accusing them as well.
Stop trying to troll MannerChomp, he never got owned by anyone in GM. If by GM you are referring to Baz he lost to Baz I think once last night(DeSaix's mass immortals instead of colossus ring a bell?) and won vs him 3-4 times? I think you are just a bit on the sour side he stopped your cannon rushes all night. Anyway, this needs to stop. Protech, you're just dragging your name through the mud by pursueing this any further. You took one example of fishy behavior in Wizards gameplay and jumped right to assume they are stream cheaters consistantly. You spoke earlier about how the video of you saying you tried to hack back in 2008(?) on Brood War and couldn't get the thing to work, saying that it was taken completely out of context. I feel like that is exactly what you are doing here. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm still a fan. You should let this one go though.
I never said anything about hacking in 2008, the VOD vitamin posted is taken completely out of context. I was referring to hacking when I was 10 years old in brood war, when I couldnt figure it out.
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LoL Protech still waiting on real proof than re iterating yourself with out valid reasoning
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ieza freaks out if i even message him while they are on their teamspeak 2v2 channel because it makes a little sound that disturbs them.
i ve also lurked a bit while they were playing ladder once, they communicate and think a lot during their games, no way they would change their routine to try to cheat, seeing how great of a team they prove to be in ladder and clanwars.
btw i didnt watch the video but i can tell you 100% sure they dont even know the word lyote if thats what was said on stream.
ive played a shit ton of games in 4v4 with him, just fucking around, having fun, and he would totally do that even in a competitive environment, hell, huk even does hearts and writes stuff with pylons in LAN events...
now it just looks like im defending my teammate right? actually im quite sad because they had an offer and our team is pretty much dying, and i cannot stand letting my friend go, but he's still my friend so i stand up for him. so basically im just saying "these guys are legit recruit them please" while all i wish was their staying in the team, if this doesnt prove im sincere, then no idea what else you need.
gl amigos @@-
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Looks to me that Protech doesn't want competition in the "featured" 2v2 streaming department and is putting together a conspiracy theory to undermine them.
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