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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:01 Toadesstern wrote: goodkarma wasn't even "running" when I did my post earlier. Yeah could have voted him as well but Kita was posting around that time. This is pretty much a supremely weak reason to vote for someone and you know it. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:03 marvellosity wrote: This is pretty much a supremely weak reason to vote for someone and you know it. yeah I do. Are you guys not reading?  | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
On November 22 2012 23:54 syllogism wrote: Okay acro, if you are town you are compelled to vote for me now for being inside your mind Explain your read on Sandroba a bit better. Your read felt too much based on emotions which is something I cannot follow as I am not inside your head (despite you being inside mine). Also, explain to me in detail what purpose the secrecy serves. You say it's to prevent scum manipulation of the party vote, because someone is bound to include scum. However, I fail to see how blindly trusting you to prick through all scum ploys is a step up from that: if you're town and confident in your town reads, you can gain more votes by posting your party. That will increase the chance of you and your townie frends being chosen to go on a mission, with victory for all! Secrecy seems counterproductive. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Syllo, what is your read on Sandro and why? Sandro, what is your read on Syllo and why? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Since everyone agrees that either Syllo/Sandro is scum AND they can 'mindread' each other, why dont we ask them what they read about each other? Syllo, what is your read on Sandro and why? Sandro, what is your read on Syllo and why? Where does 'everyone' agree on this at all? sandroba has already quite clearly given his read on syllogism, read his filter. Acro has asked syllo to expand on his possible scumread on sandroba. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
Then please explain your thought process instead of being intentionally counterproductive. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 22 2012 23:46 Acrofales wrote: <coaching mode> I think the main difference between Marv's questions and your questions is that Marv's always seem to lead somewhere. They are poignant things that, when read, make one think "hey, I would like to know that". For instance, his questioning me just now made me actually think MORE about my own posts and Kita, and analyze my own thought process. Me being forced to post that, gives everybody an insight into how I think and that is an incredibly important tool for scumhunting. However, your questions seem to be more sidetracks. Something like this: Questions like this are not scumhunting, they are questions about setup, and Sandro's thought process will not be laid bare in this way. A couple of questions like this is fine. Too many and people get tired and label you as unproductive. Questions/statements like this: are somewhere between meaningless and stating the obvious. There seems to be quite a lot of that in your filter. In general, going through your filter it is hard to find what you are trying to accomplish with your questions. That is not a good thing. The disconnectedness and one-liners make your filter hard to read and seem very fluffy. I think that is probably what Marv is getting at when he asks what you are trying to accomplish. </coaching mode> I have no clue what to think of you atm, Clarity, which is why I'm bothering with the coaching. If I thought you were scum that would be pointless. Okay let me address this. I do actually believe you are trying to help me. First quote of me, it was a follow up to my first question. On November 21 2012 11:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you know something we don't about scum kp system? This question should clear up what sand means, because he seemed to talk like he knew how mafia kp worked (note this was super early in the game). The second quote is criticizing iamp's logic. He says we should put the towniest player as leader, and then he talks about how we will get a strong read on said person, which seems contradictory. The "your filter will look like crap and fluff" is a valid one and one I didn't really think about it that way. The reason I don't give reasoning with my questioning is because I'd be providing a convenient answer to whoever I'm questioning. Perhaps I should give my reasoning after the fact. When my questioning leads to a dead end or a reasonable defense then there's generally no point in talking about it more. I guess at the end of the process I feel like I learned something about someone, and I kind of figured others would too. In about 2 hours I'll be around again, and I'll try to contribute/get information in a way that is more pleasing to others, I guess. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Yes, I might gain more votes by making my reads public. I would also gain more reads by pretending to be completely confident in my reads; I'm not. I have not finalized my team yet (right now I've 2 whom I'm likely to take and a few possibilities for the third) and may not finalize it until the end. An honest assessment as to why I'm not going to is a combination of considering it optimal play (if I get the votes), being lazy and because sometimes my town reads rely on things other players may find flimsy or the reasons are otherwise difficult to explain (tone, whether the person feels earnest). If I were mafia, there would be absolutely no reason not to make the list of people I intend to pick public. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, Toadesstern Goodkarma (2): djodref, goodkarma Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (5): Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler Players who have yet to vote (9): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, Adam4167, sandroba Remember that voting is mandatory. All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. | ||
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