EPTmr.Zentor, buddy boy, how have you been?
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I'm onto you.
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Z-BosoN
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mr.Zentor, buddy boy, how have you been? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:  your thoughts i vants them | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=57#1138 | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I'm known for misinterpreting things but I think Dandel is taking it to a whole other level. Since you're mr. Interpretation and semantics guy, what is your verdict, your honor? | ||
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Hapahauli
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
##Vote Dandel Ion | ||
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jaybrundage
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Z-BosoN
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On January 10 2013 06:27 Hapahauli wrote: Can I not be the arbiter of justice for a day and see everyone make and push their own conclusions? That would be FANTASTIC. Well fuck, I've reached my conclusion, Dandel is scum. There's really nothing I can add. If you wanna lay back and chill, go away and we'll chat tomorrow | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shaio seemed more scum than Dandel. Problem is they are the same person. What do. Are you blind? Read our interaction. He's 10x more scummy than shiao imo. He's warping things and putting words in my mouth left and right to push his agenda | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Such bad misinterpretation needs to be justified. I want to see if he's gonna actually read to try and figure out what I mean by all of it and what I've been saying all along or if he's gonna just stick with the shit he's saying. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:21 jaybrundage wrote: Hey Zentor Thoughts on the posts between dandel and me and Zbo and dandel? Dandel's scum. On January 10 2013 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Yea dandel is scum. There are two things he's accused me of saying and is not gonna be able to quote them. I love it when scum don't bother reading and are desperate to bullshit. mr.Zentor, buddy boy, how have you been? + Show Spoiler + I'm onto you. I've been pretty good. + Show Spoiler + Not once have you ever explained why you think Shaio is scum, nor have you ever attempted to pressure him. Process of elimination. I have a pretty strong town read on everybody except Yamato and ShiaoPi(Dandel) | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
1. His "certainty" is a null-tell. I'm not going to quote shits, but there are some posts which mrZ, as town, is "certain" of things when he's not. So that's not a good tell. What I did notice, though, was: 2. He showed interest in pursuing his reads and on who got lynched. In his early days, he was very persistent about hapa being scum. He also displayed some interest in the lynch target, mainly Hapa: On December 18 2012 02:23 MrZentor wrote: Why not? Hapa should be dead. He's not That means one of the following 1. He is town and didn't get blue a. This is one possibility, and if this is true, there's nothing wrong with us revealing who voted for him. 2. He is town and got blue, the the mafia haven't tried to shoot him. a. But this doesn't make sense, because it is more likely that Hap got blue than DP, so the mafia would naturally try to shoot him first. 3. He is mafia and got blue, but heis lying about it, so he doesn't get caught. a. This is another possibility, and we can see if this is true or not by everybody claiming if they voted for him or not. So basically, we can tell if he's scum or not by revealing our votes, and it's unlikely mafia can do anything about it. And by god did he insist in pursuing that read: On December 18 2012 02:27 MrZentor wrote: Exactly, everybody who voted for Hapa should reveal their vote. I did not vote for Hapa. On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote: From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa. Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP). So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him. **To note. He was very ready and willing about explaining his nk logic in WC. Here, when I questioned him, he passed it off as "not worthy", when I think I'd made a fairly good point. He really wants him dead: On December 18 2012 07:05 MrZentor wrote: Finally, people seeing Hap's scumminess. c: On December 18 2012 07:11 MrZentor wrote: Hapa, answer the question. Now. ##Vote Hapahauli On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote: If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter. Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him. And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy. So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it. Later on when he thinks DYH is scum, with better chance to flip scum than CC, he goes around pushing his reads: On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote: As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else. And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy. Also, I am SUCH an easy target. On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote: The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? He won't have it any other way, DYH has to be lynched: On December 20 2012 03:07 MrZentor wrote: Yeah, I don't care if you changed your mind or not. The point is that you are a town with a strong (albeit probably wrong) scum read, so you do more than just tunnel CC. DYH is a scum using his "scum read"on me as an excuse to not participate in any other discussion. On December 20 2012 03:15 MrZentor wrote: Eywa, I know you're town. I have looked at both DYH and CC, and DYH has a much better chance of flipping scum. I'm pretty sure you know I'm town, so you can trust that I'm not scum trying to save my scum buddy. You're not going to be able to get CC lynched today, and it would be really awful for town if we had a no lynch. Vote for DYH. On December 20 2012 03:38 MrZentor wrote: Eywa, CC isn't going to get lynched today. Consolidating our votes gives us more power as town over who is lynched. We need 5/6 of town to vote for scum to kill one of them. Please vote for DYH. My conclusion with this is that mrZ's earlier actions in day one, where he took the stance of "eh, I don't care who gets lynched, so long as it's yama or xatalos" is in stark contrast of his attitude on Hapa and DYH on witchcraft. There's also one very interesting thing from his filter there: he likes to focus on one scum at a time, something which hasn't showed here. At no point does he pressure or try to convince people to lynch yama, he just keeps saying he's scum and that's pretty much it. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play.  | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
He just doesn't know how to read me. Also, he doesn't realize he doesn't know how to read me. Which is kind of annoying. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
But yeah. I'm not convinced of Jays towniness, and still Mr. Z irks me. Scumteam still most likely two of the three Yamato / Jay / Dandel. I'll provide the hammer on any if y'all want. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 10 2013 07:01 MrZentor wrote: This game and Witchcraft Mafia are completely different. In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play. But you are rushing the lynches here. You really wanted to lynch yama, but now people are going away from that lynch. You really seem to think he's scum, so why aren't you passively pushing yama? You're setting yourself up with two choices, yama and dandel, but you were waaaay more insistent with yama. Only when the thread changed to dandel did you really want to kill him. Why are you so indifferent? You never had "top two" scumreads in WC.. | ||
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