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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
And Im not so sure about the prize money being ''legally his''. If DH setup the contract in a way that the team can claim the money, they must have protected themselves legally from that precise situation. I just hope Hyun doesnt retire because of this. Im so sad a guy like Boudreault could own / manage the team like that. It hurts. He should call Mouz and see what they are offering! | ||
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vhapter
Brazil677 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On January 01 2014 12:44 QueenE wrote: Isn't there anyone close to HyuN that can help him follow this through legally? This needs to be taken care of professionally.... In order to pursue and litigate the case, HyuN would need to spend more money than he is currently owed up front. (Unless there is sudden massive support from community, a la Reddit sending MKP to MLG but with more money, it seems unlikely since his chief complaint is he didn't get paid.) He would also need to consult with a lawyer in Quebec (although I guess he could pursue in a Korean court, but that's a question for a lawyer). And given how poorly eSports teams seem to work from the legal documentation side of things (not all, but enough to leave a suspicious aroma) it may be difficult to prove in court. (Skype logs are not legal documents.) Also... HyuN, you need to move to another team anyways. You are worth more than Quantic was (theoretically) going to pay you. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1080 Posts
If you're going to contact the sponsors, simply tell them that this guy has been scamming his players and that they should sponsor a different gaming team or individual players. If you go around telling them "I'll never buy your product again", then they'll just get out of this scene completely and we'll have nothing. As far as I can tell, the sponsors haven't done anything wrong and we should want those sponsors to stay in the scene, just with a better managed team so that our scene can stabilize. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
that would be even more detrimental to call Razer and tell them yet another SC2 team is shit. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
Sorry Hyun : ( | ||
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Tivu
United States244 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
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lovelyrose
Canada160 Posts
hopefully teams will see the situation and at least put a higher consideration in picking Hyun up if he continues to play. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 01 2014 13:04 Noobity wrote: Just goes to show you that koreans can't trust a foreign team that doesn't already have proven track records with korean players. What do you mean korean players can't? You think this doesn't happen to foreigners all the time? For example Massan made a post about his issues with Quantic a few months ago. We have sen many of these bad situations in the past on teamliquid. | ||
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JoeEastham
United Kingdom1 Post
I'd like to start by wishing everyone a happy new year. It's a shame that the news came out like this but Simon's (Quantic Sambuca) action forced our hand. Firstly, I'd like to thank all the players and members of staff in Quantic. This shines all of them in a bad light (myself included) but in reality they are all innocent. The vast majority of staff in Quantic did their jobs for free, or rather "for eSports". It's an odd concept, but the satisfaction of success is a great reward. Try sitting on a train whilst watching one of your players win Dreamhack Valencia on your phone and not react/feel proud. It is unfair to blame any of these people, from Fuji the COO to me as wrongfully taking HyuN's money was all Simon's doing. It obviously hurts the Quantic brand, and we are working to decide what we can do. I urge you not to blame the sponsors as they were doing their best to get in contact with Simon too and had the players interests at heart as much as their own investments. Simon's intentions were never clear, but he would come up with some great ideas - most of which failed to materialise, despite careful planning. The largest problem was the "immature" way he ran the team. Everything had to be done by himself. Even after brining the extremely talented John Clark to help market the team, he wouldn't give John the control/information he needed to do his job. The vast majority of staff and players got on really well, with Skype chats full of fun. I believe it is unfair to pin hate on the organisation as all of the staff were extremely dedicated and put up with Simon despite his "flaws". Myself and Curse talked with HyuN to work out how much money was owed and did our best to get Simon to pay but it is far too easy to disapear from the internet these days. I hope Simon will eventually come to his senses and pay HyuN and any others he may owe money to (if they want to make their matters public, it is down to them. I will not reveal any names!) RenSC2 says this well here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20513870 I'd like to thank Curse, John Clark, JM Dualan, Patrick Smiley, Fujikura and all the other excellent people I've worked with in the reformed Quantic. About me - I'm a Computer Science student that has been volunteering for Quantic for about 3 years. I've done everything from writing to managing media, streams, graphic designers, marketing, and sponsor announcements. Essentially, I'm the guy in every Quantic group chat. Thanks for reading, Joe (@Joe_Eastham/Joe@QuanticGaming.com) | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
Its bad enough, if its about a month or two of salaries but that much prize money... He should take the legal route imo. | ||
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murphs
Ireland418 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
LOLLL his facebook profile picture is him hanging out with Hyun. waht a douche seriously! | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 01 2014 13:08 Cri du Chat wrote: How can he wait for so much money for such a long time. I dont understand. He should have talked to a lawyer way sooner. Its bad enough, if its about a month or two of salaries but that much prize money... He should take the legal route imo. Payouts are a long long time in SC2. It's common in esports to receive prize money 6 months after winning a tournament. The legal route is also tricky. Esport contracts are usually vague and not very professional, and as such, maybe he's not even enforceable etc. Not to mention the cost of the court, he would likely be spending 10k-15k for that, which would not be compensated. Also, it may be hard to track down Simon as well. | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On January 01 2014 13:11 FiWiFaKi wrote: Payouts are a long long time in SC2. It's common in esports to receive prize money 6 months after winning a tournament. The legal route is also tricky. Esport contracts are usually vague and not very professional, and as such, maybe he's not even owed anything etc. Not to mention the cost of the court, he would likely be spending 10k-15k for that, which would not be compensated. Also, it may be hard to track down Simon as well. Or like 3 years if you won something in ESL xD | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
On January 01 2014 13:11 FiWiFaKi wrote: Payouts are a long long time in SC2. It's common in esports to receive prize money 6 months after winning a tournament. The legal route is also tricky. Esport contracts are usually vague and not very professional, and as such, maybe he's not even owed anything etc. Not to mention the cost of the court, he would likely be spending 10k-15k for that, which would not be compensated. Also, it may be hard to track down Simon as well. Bah, what a dirty business. | ||
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On January 01 2014 12:54 RenSC2 wrote: Hey guys, I know this sucks for Hyun, but don't go pitchforking the sponsors.They got screwed over too. They were probably looking for positive and sustained exposure. Instead, they've been associated with a scam artist or very bad businessman who either walked away with a lot of cash or gambled money on ventures that didn't work and couldn't pay obligations. Either way, the sponsors didn't get what they wanted out of this deal. If you're going to contact the sponsors, simply tell them that this guy has been scamming his players and that they should sponsor a different gaming team or individual players. If you go around telling them "I'll never buy your product again", then they'll just get out of this scene completely and we'll have nothing. As far as I can tell, the sponsors haven't done anything wrong and we should want those sponsors to stay in the scene, just with a better managed team so that our scene can stabilize. It's not about threatening the sponsors, it's about asking them to do something about it. The publicity is bad right now. They can correct it by being proactive in helping right a wrong that is associated with their brand. | ||
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