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delHospital
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland261 Posts
January 02 2011 19:51 GMT
#101
On December 29 2010 00:57 Alpina wrote:
Okey I bought new razer abyssus mouse and have few questions

So firstly if I make SC2 sensitivity to 54 then I can't adjust mouse dpi for my needs - 450dpi is too low, 1800dpi is too high and 3500dpi is also too high sensitivity for me. So it's best to put mouse dpi on max(3500) and make SC2 sensitivity just like it is comfortable for me, or? Now on SC2 it is only 17, and on windows it's 2/11. Is there any advantage in lowering mouse dpi and increasing windows/SC2 sensitivity?
I recently got the exact same mouse and had the same problem
What you wrote doesn't make much sense, though, 2/11 in Windows is 16:1, so you'd effectively get 3500/16=218.75 dpi.
I chose 1800 dpi and 4/11 (2:1), which gives me 900 dpi.

On November 02 2010 14:08 hide.X wrote:
If you want you sc2 sensitivity to be the same as your windows sensitivity..
windows sens x 9.09 = sc2 sens

(...)

It's kind of hard to figure out the exact border lines of the intervals, so I suggest avoiding multiples of 5% (50%, 55%, 60%, 65%, etc.) because the borders will be fractions of these numbers. Set your sensitivity between multiples of 5 (theres no difference between 51%--54%; 71--74; 96--99 [and 100]; etc. There is no 100.0000000000001% or 0.9999999999% so it works out no matter what your screen resolution is).

(...)

- There are only 20 mouse settings in starcraft2 (1--5, 5--10, 10--15, etc.), even though there more than 100 notches on the slider.
- for 1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement, set your in-game sensitivity to anything between 51%--54% [with "enhance pointer precision" turned off in windows] -- not 50% as people previously thought (although it sort of is 50%; it's just that you can't see what the decimal point on the number is so it's safer to use 51--54) (that is, 51%, 52%, 53%, and 54% are all exactly the same mouse speed).
This information isn't entirely correct. These are the results i got from playing with Mouse Movement Recorder:

0-9% -> 32:1 (same as 1st notch in Windows)
11-14% -> 16:1 (2nd notch)
16-19% -> 8:1
21-24% -> 4:1 (3rd notch)
26-29% -> 8:3
31-34% -> 2:1 (4th notch)
36-39% -> 8:5
41-44% -> 4:3 (5th notch)
46-49% -> 8: 7
51-54% -> 1:1 (6th notch)
56-59% -> 4:5
61-64% -> 2:3 (7th notch)
66-69% -> 4: 7
71-74% -> 1:2 (8th notch)
76-79% -> 4: 9
81-84% -> 2:5 (9th notch)
86-89% -> 4:11
91-94% -> 1:3 (10th notch)
96-99% -> 4:13
100% -> 2: 7 (11th notch)

So, 0-4% and 6-9% is the same, 99% and 100% isn't the same and the Win*9.09 formula is wrong.
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
January 03 2011 04:18 GMT
#102
where is Mouse Movement Recorder in the zip file? I can't find it lol.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 03 2011 04:32 GMT
#103
thanks for the post and for day9 for pointing it out on his daily!
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Wendig0
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9 Posts
January 03 2011 06:24 GMT
#104
Does this stuff apply to those who use SetPoint implementation? I've been using 50% ever since I first booted up SC2 and I haven't noticed a difference between my in-game and non-in-game sensitivity. I know SetPoint has 11 notches as does Windows OS.
lindn
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden833 Posts
January 03 2011 06:34 GMT
#105
good day, playing with a 3200 DPI mouse, play with 3/11 windows sens and 23% in game sens, is this a problem? it's not like i'm experiencing any problems with it and i never missmicro cause of loss in mouse performance
Wendig0
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9 Posts
January 03 2011 06:46 GMT
#106
lindn, if you feel like your mouse isn't inhibiting your ability to micro at all and you're fine with your mouse sensitivity, then don't change anything. However, for optimal performance it sounds like you should use 6/11 windows sens, 51-54% in-game, and then adjust your mouse's DPI to suit your sensitivity needs. imo if I were you I'd just keep your current settings.

In my situation I feel like my mouse settings could be tweaked a little bit to improve my micromanagement gameplay, so this new discovery is important to find the perfect sensitivity for those who haven't yet.
eu.xen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany352 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 12:38:08
January 03 2011 12:37 GMT
#107
thanks for the info
WilbertK
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands210 Posts
January 03 2011 12:55 GMT
#108
Does any of this apply when playing on a mac (with OSX)?, or is there any way to check that it does?
Ventil
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden414 Posts
January 04 2011 13:24 GMT
#109
These findings are great. Thanks for the info guys!
Twitter: @VeNtiLSC
Skrelt
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands306 Posts
January 04 2011 13:41 GMT
#110
Ty, I aint understanding it completely, but wil give it a shot and see what te diference is. Cheers.
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Hollywise
Profile Joined December 2010
France112 Posts
January 04 2011 13:46 GMT
#111
To get the same windows sens (6/11) i had to set it to 32% in game after some tests :/ (razer abyssus @ 1800dpi)
has left the game.
snakzz
Profile Joined November 2010
103 Posts
January 04 2011 14:42 GMT
#112
Hmm, i have an microsoft intelli 3.0
What settings should i use? I know that this mouse is 400 dpi..
Leviwtf
Profile Joined October 2010
174 Posts
January 04 2011 14:49 GMT
#113
On January 04 2011 23:42 snakzz wrote:
Hmm, i have an microsoft intelli 3.0
What settings should i use? I know that this mouse is 400 dpi..


Your either going to have get used to a very slow mouse or get a new one. A razer abyssus is $30-35 and has everything you need to have adjustable mouse sensitivity without screwing up a 1:1 pixel ratio.
snakzz
Profile Joined November 2010
103 Posts
January 04 2011 14:54 GMT
#114
I dont want a new mouse, this have brought me lots of proness :D

But what settings can I use to optimize this one?
delHospital
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland261 Posts
January 04 2011 14:57 GMT
#115
On January 04 2011 23:54 snakzz wrote:
I dont want a new mouse, this have brought me lots of proness :D

But what settings can I use to optimize this one?
Umm... low screen resolution?
With sensitivity > 55% (or >6/11) you're missing pixels on the screen.
Moody
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States750 Posts
January 04 2011 19:25 GMT
#116
Now, I recognize that people want to have their hardware as optimized as possible (especially if it's as easy as this is, and free too!), but I don't understand why there are so many people that are so adamant about the 1:1 ratio or the 1:2 ratio being bad.

I don't think there are man 1 pixel animations in SC2 that you need to be able to click on, so what's the problem with being once pixel away from the center of that zergling you were trying to click on? If you f you miss the center by 1-5 pixels, you still hi the zergling.

This seems to me like martini sipping, cigar smoking, mouse snobbery. I play at 8/11, 80%, 2800 dpi and I likes it.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Where's the counter?"
snakzz
Profile Joined November 2010
103 Posts
January 04 2011 21:25 GMT
#117
i am running 1650 X 1080 delHospital.
So what setting should i then use with my 400 dpi mouse?
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 04 2011 21:34 GMT
#118
What does 1:1 ratio even mean?

That the distance I have to move my mouse is equal to the distance the cursor travels? Surely not?

My mousepad is not made of pixels, after all.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
SolidusR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States217 Posts
January 04 2011 23:46 GMT
#119
I just wanted to say thank you very much for posting this information as it obviously took time and effort (how much I do not know, seeing as I'm a math retard), very helpful and a good read for anyone serious about optimizing their mouse performance in SC2.
hide.X
Profile Joined March 2006
Australia105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 11:56:39
January 05 2011 09:22 GMT
#120
cool my thread got mentioned on the day9 daily. Sorry if the OP is messy and long winded and mixes true and false information...

I'm going to add this disclaimer to the OP:
When I set out to write this post I thought that it would be fairly straight forward to communicate what I was trying to say, however I was wrong and as a result this thread can be very confusing for non-mathematically minded people.

The general gist of it all is basically sc2 mouse settings that are multiples of 5 are inconsistent, and so you should avoid them. The other thing is that there are not as many different sensitivity settings as you think (there are not 100, as would be implied by a slider that works with percentages). You'll also find a lot of discussion on pixel precision and 1:1 ratios and stuff, and if you're interested you can read on, however I don't give a crap about pixel precision or 1:1 ratios or any of that stuff because as far as I'm concerned all of that is meaningless in the face of having a 'comfortable mouse speed'. However the findings are still relevant to myself, because although I don't care about pixel precision, I do care about having the same mouse speed today and tomorrow and the next day. If you're the sort of person that doesn't keep count of how many sugars they put in their coffee, then that's fine too. then that's fine too.
You cannot just 1a2a3a your way into the vajayjay. -- GrandInquisitor
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