Ego Mini Mafia - Page 58

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

April 07 2013 23:38 GMT

#1141

to clarify, by good I mean less bad than he used to.

and since I have no clue who is scum whatever.

I just want to lynch someone and I don't want it to be axle.

Sciberbia, Ace, prplhz, reyn, WoS, marv are all fine by me.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

April 07 2013 23:38 GMT

#1142

On April 08 2013 08:30 Ace wrote:
@WoS: I'm up for being convinced about Axle, but I don't think a meta-lynch based on his activity is a strong enough reason. I also mentioned Tunkeg since I think he/she has been even more absent.

Here is my defense of his 'pressure' towards me:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=46#904
(Read the underlined/bolded sections and the one at the bottom)

and then this:

On April 08 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Where are Axle, Rayn and Ace? And prplhz you're going to keep your vote on me despite your apparent push on Ace?

Scib if we can't consolidate on Ace I would switch to Axle for the record, I've had scumreads on both for a little while. Axle has done too little too cryptically and while I know that's his 'thing,' he hasn't addressed my points on how weak his push on me seems considering its basis. Unlike Tunkeg's case which is at least coherent and has multiple points of fact involved (though wrong), Axle has none of this and instead chooses to focus on the semantics of my interaction with him and Rayn.

From my perspective if I didn't know better I would think his convoluted posting style was some sort of method to prevent people from reading his filter properly but I've seen that's not true. Mainly it comes down to very little effort from him and what he chooses to focus on.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

April 07 2013 23:40 GMT

#1143

Actually let's narrow it down.

Ace, Sciberbia.

Pick your poison guys.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

April 07 2013 23:43 GMT

#1144

Ace pay attention. I'm not suggesting we lynch Axle just because he was a bit lurky.

On April 08 2013 08:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
How deeply did you think about why the difference if there is one might exist?

I honestly did not think that deeply about it. Scum are more likely than town to restrict the number of people they have to talk to and the number of issues they have to comment on. Townies are more likely to want to give opinions on all the big issues in the thread and steer town in the right direction. So in general the fewer discussions/topics that a player partakes in, the more likely I think they are to be scum. I find it suspicious that you have talked almost exclusively about myself and WoS.

On April 08 2013 08:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
Did you ask if there could be a towny reason for the difference?

There could be. In fact it's quite possible. As you said, it is possible that for whatever reason you thought the rest of the thread was developing fine on its own, and you just happen to be extremely interested in myself and WoS.

On April 08 2013 08:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
Did you consider the options above?

Yes. I considered that you could be town. I considered that you could be scum. I have more and better reasons to think you are scum than reasons to think you are town, which is why my vote is on you.

In regards to marv notes, they haven't changed my read on axle. I disagree with marv that Axle's reasons for voting me make perfect sense. Axle just said "sciberbia has given several reasons that he thinks WoS are town but they don't seem consistent with a townie mindset or level of suspicion". He does not demonstrate why this is so. He just states that it is.

Also, I'm really not sure why he unvoted me at all. Axle maybe you could explain. You originally voted me because you thought I wasn't demonstrating a townie mindset or level of suspicion. But then you seemed to unvote me just because you realized why I said that you misinterpreted one of WoS's posts, which isn't extremely relevant to the reasons you were voting me.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 07 2013 23:43 GMT

#1145

okay i simply cannot believe ace's "scum lie because they know townies don't read the thread"-thing. it's rather hilarious considering that everybody in this thread caught the supposed "lie", some (hello) even knew what the hell WoS was talking about (the town claim in the beginning).

he seriously thinks that, when it comes to a claim, WoS is banking on not a single one of the many town players in this game will gloss over his filter and fact check it. i just cannot wrap my head around that line of thought.

a lie in itself doesn't mean anything though, ace never explains why on earth scum would lie about this. "because he knows they will not catch him" is simply not a reason to lie. technically, all fits. ace could have seen it as a lie and then he could lynch him because townies don't lie. but that's the laziest excuse i have seen in as long as i can remember and ace isn't even recanting or anything, he's dead serious about it.

i simply don't get it.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

April 07 2013 23:43 GMT

#1146

On April 08 2013 08:06 marvellosity wrote:
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Axle notes:

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I like this. Palmar was actually joking and he does never FoS. Judging by his comments about coming pre-armed into Noir, I think Axle knows this and has never seen him do this. It's an interesting thought and one I like.

Why is it a towntell for Axle to not make a meta-case on Palmar with this? If Axle already knows Palmar does not never FoS people why not simply vote for him and make him explain himself?

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I don't understand this vote on sciberbia. Where did it come from? I don't see the reasoning.

So marv thinks Axle is scum?

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And yet these reasons actually make plenty of sense.

Carrying on through page 1 of Axle's filter, he seems to find WoS suspicious for his actions, but apparently sciberbia more suspicious for his reaction to WoS's actions.

The thing is, he didn't hammer WoS when he had the chance. It was L-1 and he could have voted for him. Why didn't he?

rofl. Why would he hammer town!WoS if another candidate for being lynched is town!sciberbia? Just let a townie do that. And before you say anything, marv himself thought that both WoS & sciberbia are town, at least he now does. Thinking process fails pretty hard here for him.

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I like this for reasons I can't put my finger on.

What?

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On April 07 2013 13:52 AxleGreaser wrote:

On April 07 2013 09:29 sciberbia wrote:
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On April 07 2013 09:16 AxleGreaser wrote:

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The distinctions I was making in this post
were fine distinctions.

I was indeed 'reaching' for the idea that perhaps you were not considering why/ (what intention)/ (what thought)
was behind and motivated WoS This post

My post was about WoS's towny intentions. (dropping emotive stuff and leaving, i found hard to put a towny intention on)

That you have still not apparently gone back and considered, why WoS made that post that I was initially concerned about, is to me concerning.

In the post above, you give what I think I can loosely describe as bunch of heuristics, do this and your scum, don't do this and your not. What I don't see there is you considering the purpose of the actions.

I am sorry, I just found where you did...?

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If I misinterpreted his intentions.... (as looking for someone to Lynch... or commenting on characteristics of people that could make them someone to Lynch, or ..)

How did you interpret the intention of this Post?

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In particular what did the graphic visual nature, do but inspire further emotive knee jerk posts?

BTW writing this post Started before Scribs here and while stuff seems to be happening around the WoS Lynch
for me that does not effect whether or not Scrib was considering why WoS did things.

@Axle
With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it. I thought about WoS's post right after I read it. I'm sorry that I did not explain earlier but I was busy today.

To explain why I said you misinterpreted his post:
I think WoS gave no alignment read of rayn at all in the post you quoted. But you asked him

On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote:
Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?

This implies that you thought WoS was personally showing interest in lynching rayn where I maintain that he wasn't. Hence why I said you misinterpreted his post.

That is fine, so when you did "With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it." analyse WoS's post, what possible townie intention did you see behind it? Did the townie intention you saw to that post not include WoS (at the very least) recently deciding on whether or not to "think" about Lynching Rayn, but had come down so nearly on the "not yet, do something else now side" that he sought a second opinion?

If I had been recently thinking (should I / shouldn't I) pursue Rayn as scum(due to the posting style), and I got asked "Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?" Then as WoS I could have, and would have, answered the question, I would also probably indicate that words had just been seemingly put in my mouth and that while i had recently been onsidering that option... blah blah.... That was the reason I believe I also provided my answer to the question. That the presence of the(an) answer did not even trigger recognition (easier than recall [www.ehow.com/info_7754397_recall-vs-recognition.html ] ) memory of "Oh yeah I was just thinking that" indicates to me he quite probably had not recently considered how Lynchworthy posting like that was. He had thus handed me what he considered to be an anchor.

I think this topic is about done. I believe I understand why you said pretty much all of what you did.

Doesnt make you town, probably not my best Lynch though... for now...

##unvote Sciberbia

Backs off sciberbia in what seems to be a reasonable way.

He drops his pursuit of sciberbia and starts to pursue WoS. This seems consistent with how he earlier viewed WoS, as suspicious with his behaviour.

Generally speaking Axle is quite focused in his targets as town, in Noir he seemed to focus in hard on Hopeless despite other things being discussed in the thread.

I don't see how this is reasonable way to back off from a lynch. He asks sciberbia some questions and backs off in the very same post.

Back to the first candidate when you don't have to porbably hammer anymore.

Generally speaking i don't see how Axle is really focused here..

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 07 2013 23:44 GMT

#1147

On April 08 2013 08:38 Palmar wrote:
to clarify, by good I mean less bad than he used to.

and since I have no clue who is scum whatever.

I just want to lynch someone and I don't want it to be axle.

Sciberbia, Ace, prplhz, reyn, WoS, marv are all fine by me.

why not axle?

you said earlier that you had no idea about his chezinuish posting and someone else would have to figure him out, but ever since you've been town on him?

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 07 2013 23:46 GMT

#1148

are you leaning scum on me or do you just want to get rid of me?

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

April 07 2013 23:48 GMT

#1149

I think you can possibly be scum, I think everyone else there except marv is more likely to flip.

But okay, mostly because I cannot stay up tonight I need to wake up tomorrow, let's just lynch Axle. At least it rids me of a person that I don't know how to read. I'd give this lynch about 17% chance of success.

##unvote
##vote AxleGreaser

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

April 07 2013 23:49 GMT

#1150

##unvote
##vote AxleGreaser

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

April 07 2013 23:49 GMT

#1151

On April 08 2013 08:40 Palmar wrote:
Actually let's narrow it down.

Ace, Sciberbia.

Pick your poison guys.

Given that people haven't been able to consolidate at all thus far, I don't think people are going to listen to your random choice of two people (despite the fact that I'm already voting for Ace).
I've already stated my vote for today will be on either Ace/Axle/Rayn and I will consolidate as necessary to make sure there is a lynch.
WHOA HOLY SHIT A POST FROM RAYN THAT ISNT SHIT GIMME A SEC READING

Alright Rayn, expand on your post. Are you insinuating that Marv is scum or Axle is? Or both?

Also prplhz every time you post I like you more.
This especially:

On April 08 2013 08:43 prplhz wrote:
okay i simply cannot believe ace's "scum lie because they know townies don't read the thread"-thing. it's rather hilarious considering that everybody in this thread caught the supposed "lie", some (hello) even knew what the hell WoS was talking about (the town claim in the beginning).

he seriously thinks that, when it comes to a claim, WoS is banking on not a single one of the many town players in this game will gloss over his filter and fact check it. i just cannot wrap my head around that line of thought.

a lie in itself doesn't mean anything though, ace never explains why on earth scum would lie about this. "because he knows they will not catch him" is simply not a reason to lie. technically, all fits. ace could have seen it as a lie and then he could lynch him because townies don't lie. but that's the laziest excuse i have seen in as long as i can remember and ace isn't even recanting or anything, he's dead serious about it.

i simply don't get it.

Why the fuck would I do that as a newbie scum? And not only that, 'gloss over my filter' at the point in the game was like less than a page. That is really what scum try to get away with apparently? Ugh I let Ace off too easily it seems....glad my vote is still on him.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

April 07 2013 23:51 GMT

#1152

Votecount:

WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, prplhz, AxleGreaser
marvellosity (1): Ace
Ace (3): marvellosity, WaveofShadow, Oatsmaster
AxleGreaser (5): DarthPunk, sciberbia, iamperfection, Palmar, raynpelikoneet

Not voting (0):

7 votes needed to lynch.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

April 07 2013 23:51 GMT

#1153

Oh shit are we hammering Axle? Interesting. If I vote him now then Ace gets a free ride claiming he votes for survivability.
Ima wait on it.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

April 07 2013 23:53 GMT

#1154

just hammer it, no one cares at this point.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

April 07 2013 23:53 GMT

#1155

please do it asap so I can see the flip

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

April 07 2013 23:54 GMT

#1156

WoS:
I am implying i think they are both scum. I can only vote for one person and marv has only a vote from the other guy who could be lynched so i don't think Ace has the credibility to get 6 more people to vote for marv today.

And no, this is not a connection case. I do think Axle is scummy ny his actions, not by how marv talks about him.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

April 07 2013 23:55 GMT

#1157

I think Ace is mafia because he's come into the thread all nicey-nicey tonight when he's up for the lynch when he's been completely abrasive and dismissive for the rest of the game.

When Ace is getting attacked as town he tells people to go fuck themselves and shit like that. Here's he's specifically showing the thread exactly what they want to see.

Vote Ace.