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All right.
First of, about the election :
I will be voting for Palmar. He pushed a very solid campaign from the start and put a lot of effort in it. The effort part is actually important when trying to figure out his alignment. He kept activity high, engaged the new players in the conversation and discussed basicly every topic that got brought up. Thats more pro town than I have ever seen him play.
The alternative would have been WBG, but I can't force myself to do that.
I still thin that I would have made a good mayor in this situation. However anyone who votes for me now would have to be retarded because I did not keep one of my very basic promises I made.
My thoughts about the DT plan:
This basicly just negates DT checks and framers in general. There is no way to get anything out of a check. If I am mistaken then someone please explain to me why, because I am not seeing it.
I do like the attempt to coordinate blues when we are certain to have quite a few roles distributed between the newer players. There is one thing again that I absolutely dislike about the general plan that has been created. There is quite a bit that can go wrong. What if scum has no players on the DT list at frames innocent peoplw into their death? What if they have only one person on the Vigi list and know exactly where they have to send their protection.
I guess what I am trying to say is that I still feel like there is too little randomness and too much predictability (?) that could end up helping scum more than it is helping us.
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Day1 Suspects coming up soon!(tm)
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what are peoples read about the likely mafia-backed campaigns?
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On November 26 2011 01:49 risk.nuke wrote:
annul are you in the game?
yes
On November 26 2011 01:59 sinani206 wrote:
annul just because your old doesnt mean you get to say whatever you want btw
you're*
and it takes death to get me to stop talking. hope i don't get started for a while. <3
On November 26 2011 01:57 xtfftc wrote:
annul, I don't think that what you're doing is helping town in any way. We're getting close to the deadline and you're starting an argument on whether one particular player is a newbie or smurfing or whatever...
do you see how ez pz the "argument" (lol) went? i asked a question, it got answered, things cleared up, ez pz in like 6 posts. while nothing else was going on. however, if you think that doesnt help town, neither does what you wrote, since you seem to be perpetuating the nonsense
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the thing i dislike about palmar's play is that while he and youngminii have been going at it, when asked who he is gonna pop day 1 if he is elected, he said youngminii and he gave some really bad omgus answer for why
its back in the 20s somewhere. i remember reading it when i wasnt an active player so i didnt say anything about it
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=32#635
this is omgus wrapped in bacon to make it not look like it is omgus
palmar: elect me pls
minii: no, because (somewhat legitimate reason X)
palmar: if i win im gonna pop minii because all he does is oppose my campaign by arguing (somewhat legitimate reason X), all he does is try to discredit my campaign, etc etc
i was unaware that providing counterarguments to someones candidacy, especially when it is somewhat reasonable if what he says is true (i have no idea how palmar plays), is sufficient rationale for popping them as mayor.
the whole "oh but its early" line is a safety net
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On November 26 2011 00:24 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 00:12 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar- I wasn't cheating. The question I asked has been asked in numerous previous games. Kav even had me lynched in a similar scenario.
WBG - YM always plays like that. So no I didn't see it as a scum tell.
On the DT plan - As with any plan put forth in a game (particularly one of this size) the problem is getting all of our DTs to follow it. You know that is never going to happen. If you think it is you're naive. Putting out a list of players for DTs to check just gives the scum team an opportunity for one of them to impersonate a DT. I have no issue with attempting to rapidly verify the validity of DT checks I just don't see it working the way you guys are hoping it will. Ya I'm a pessimist.
I'm most likely either going to vote Palmar or BC. Haven't decided yet. You probably don't understand this plan. The plan doesn't contain claiming. The DTs do their job silently and breadcrumb the results; and if they die, voilá we got the informations.
Okay, wait. If dts are checking into the list AND breadcrumbing the results this is only going to translate into all dts dead next day. That's the dumbest thing ever.
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Pretty sure WBG, Palmar and Sandroba are mafia, but thats just off gut reads. BC's plan is dumb, dunno why he's still defending it. It won't work. LAL is dumb, don't do it. Mafia are going to take out the veterans early, need medic protection for:
kitaman27, sandroba, Jackal58, Palmar, prplhz, deconduo, Coagulation, BloodyC0bbler, supersoft, annul.
Annnul can you run for mayor pls, you're better than all the other candidates.
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On November 26 2011 00:42 redFF wrote:
The issue i see is im worried about framers/gfs fucking with everyone's sanities. I still think todays lynch should be someone who ran for mayor, because of those people we will have 2/3 scum. The amount of non-posters on sandroba's mayoral campaign is weird, but i also think his opposition to the dt plan is valid.
we need analysis. we've got what, 2 coherent cases so far? sandroba you say you think bc is scum. tell us why.
I'll tell you day 2 if I'm elected or night 1 if I'm not. No point lynching BC today, since I'm not absolutely sure he is scum and if he is not it's likely he will die night 1 anyway despite my suspicion.
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On November 26 2011 02:27 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 00:24 supersoft wrote:On November 26 2011 00:12 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar- I wasn't cheating. The question I asked has been asked in numerous previous games. Kav even had me lynched in a similar scenario.
WBG - YM always plays like that. So no I didn't see it as a scum tell.
On the DT plan - As with any plan put forth in a game (particularly one of this size) the problem is getting all of our DTs to follow it. You know that is never going to happen. If you think it is you're naive. Putting out a list of players for DTs to check just gives the scum team an opportunity for one of them to impersonate a DT. I have no issue with attempting to rapidly verify the validity of DT checks I just don't see it working the way you guys are hoping it will. Ya I'm a pessimist.
I'm most likely either going to vote Palmar or BC. Haven't decided yet. You probably don't understand this plan. The plan doesn't contain claiming. The DTs do their job silently and breadcrumb the results; and if they die, voilá we got the informations. Okay, wait. If dts are checking into the list AND breadcrumbing the results this is only going to translate into all dts dead next day. That's the dumbest thing ever.
okay lol. that's correct. I meant that in general. Most of the people on that list will die. There is no need to breadcrumb anything the first one or two days. I meant after that starting phase where they try to figure out which sort DT they are, they start working independend and breadcrumb their results.
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You are pretty sure palmar and sandroba are mafia and then ask medics to protect them?
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Due to unforeseen circumstances, I will be unavailable for the remainder of the day.
Please keep producing legitimate cases.
Currently I want to lynch youngminii.
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Sorry for lurking, DotA 2 : D. Will catch up on happenings.
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On November 26 2011 02:30 syllogism wrote:
You are pretty sure palmar and sandroba are mafia and then ask medics to protect them?
That is a list of veterans, it is independent of my scum reads.
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On November 26 2011 02:33 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 02:30 syllogism wrote:
You are pretty sure palmar and sandroba are mafia and then ask medics to protect them? That is a list of veterans, it is independent of my scum reads.
Also yesterday you were going to vote for Palmar or Sandroba and now you think they are both scum, any particular reason as to why?
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On November 26 2011 02:28 deconduo wrote:
Annnul can you run for mayor pls, you're better than all the other candidates.
while this is probably true, lets see what comes of things in the next ~12 hours. i dont want mayor this game, but hey if people want me to run, fuck it ill run =P
On November 26 2011 02:30 syllogism wrote:
You are pretty sure palmar and sandroba are mafia and then ask medics to protect them?
yeah, this doesnt make sense yo. i know you were just copy pasting my list and adding/changing a few names... but yeah ;\
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On November 26 2011 02:17 annul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=32#635this is omgus wrapped in bacon to make it not look like it is omgus palmar: elect me pls minii: no, because (somewhat legitimate reason X) palmar: if i win im gonna pop minii because all he does is oppose my campaign by arguing (somewhat legitimate reason X), all he does is try to discredit my campaign, etc etc i was unaware that providing counterarguments to someones candidacy, especially when it is somewhat reasonable if what he says is true (i have no idea how palmar plays), is sufficient rationale for popping them as mayor. the whole "oh but its early" line is a safety net
annul I apologise, I belived you were an observer if that explains it. (that's why I asked you to use pm's)
about minii's so called legitimate reasons, they went from fully acceptable "palmar is too dangerous to be mayor" to "palmar is scum for wanting to be mayor" and for that reason aka "no reason" he seems to want to lynch one of the better scumhunter in the game out of paranoia.
altough it is hard to get a read on minii because he seems to be half/trolling
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On November 26 2011 02:33 Palmar wrote:
Due to unforeseen circumstances, I will be unavailable for the remainder of the day.
i like how this comes right after i call attention to his omgus
not saying anything, but im just saying
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nuke: if minii's arguments changed that radically then yeah that makes somewhat more sense now. i didnt recognize this but to be honest i skimmed the early posts since i didnt know if i was getting replaced into the game
do you have exact posts to show me by any chance?
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On November 26 2011 02:28 deconduo wrote:
Pretty sure WBG, Palmar and Sandroba are mafia, but thats just off gut reads. BC's plan is dumb, dunno why he's still defending it. It won't work. LAL is dumb, don't do it. Mafia are going to take out the veterans early, need medic protection for:
kitaman27, sandroba, Jackal58, Palmar, prplhz, deconduo, Coagulation, BloodyC0bbler, supersoft, annul.
Annnul can you run for mayor pls, you're better than all the other candidates.
This is stupid
Mafia won't (only) kill veterans beause
A. Mafia is most certainly stacked with many vets (as pointed out earlier), killing existing vets will only serve to out the mafia vets
B. Obvious vets have medic prot
C. wifom
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