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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 25 2011 16:31 GMT
#1101
risk.nuke is a smurf of some sort i guess
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 16:33 GMT
#1102
On November 26 2011 01:31 annul wrote:
risk.nuke is a smurf of some sort i guess


Nope, but he's a promising newbie. Seems to be pretty good, or at least willing to attempt to be pretty good. I've seen him in 2 other games.
Computer says mafia
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
November 25 2011 16:36 GMT
#1103
On November 25 2011 04:59 xtfftc wrote:
And, just in case minushuman and the bunny missed my enquiries of all the EBWOP-ing:

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 04:26 xtfftc wrote:
On November 25 2011 04:25 minus_human wrote:
Lynch younminii.

Why?


Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 04:43 xtfftc wrote:
On November 25 2011 04:31 IMABUNNEH wrote:
On November 25 2011 04:26 xtfftc wrote:
On November 25 2011 04:25 minus_human wrote:
Lynch younminii.

Why?


Lynch All Liars.

Why are you defending minushuman's lack of argumentation?




On November 24 2011 22:39 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 22:05 youngminii wrote:
See you guys have already been sucked in by Palmar's smooth talking. When did I ever say Palmar's scum is better than his town? That's just a strawman that Palmar invented to make his own points stronger.


Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 18:37 youngminii wrote:
I am one of the most transparent player in this game, my town play is top notch, my scum play is pretty bad
Unlike some other candidates, you can actually call me out for being wrong, because I'm not bad

This is a lie. Your scum play is better than your town play, according to memory. You have so much sway with the majority of people that if anyone actually calls you out once you have your tight rein on town, you'll get your herd to quick lynch the offender.



hmm...

annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 25 2011 16:36 GMT
#1104
likely someone who wanted to clear his meta and rerolled
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 16:38 GMT
#1105
On November 26 2011 01:36 annul wrote:
likely someone who wanted to clear his meta and rerolled


Doubt it, first off, his account is created back in may 2010, and second, I don't think a re-rolling mafia player would be dirty enough to sign up for a newbie game.
Computer says mafia
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 25 2011 16:40 GMT
#1106
i suppose the first part is a good argument against it, but if he rerolled and played two games past, it does make sense for him to play the general game too -- why wouldnt he, if this is his new "character?"

still not sure how this guy knows me though if hes a newb
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 25 2011 16:43 GMT
#1107
On November 26 2011 01:40 annul wrote:
i suppose the first part is a good argument against it, but if he rerolled and played two games past, it does make sense for him to play the general game too -- why wouldnt he, if this is his new "character?"

still not sure how this guy knows me though if hes a newb

lol, what's this. I'm having my integrity brought into question?
I don't know you, you were just messing up the thread mate. (use pm's)
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 25 2011 16:47 GMT
#1108
On November 26 2011 01:43 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 01:40 annul wrote:
i suppose the first part is a good argument against it, but if he rerolled and played two games past, it does make sense for him to play the general game too -- why wouldnt he, if this is his new "character?"

still not sure how this guy knows me though if hes a newb

lol, what's this. I'm having my integrity brought into question?
I don't know you, you were just messing up the thread mate. (use pm's)


PMs are banned in this game though...


On November 26 2011 01:29 xtfftc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 00:50 iGrok wrote:
On November 25 2011 21:33 xtfftc wrote:
Currently the deadline is time, but that is subject to change.


When is the actual deadline?

P.S. Please let it not be at 3 AM European time again ^^

Day 1 ends 03:00 GMT (+00:00) Saturday, November 26.


:/

Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 01:08 Hassybaby wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:45 Hassybaby wrote:
@Hassybaby This game has too many counter measures to DTs, so no plan is good. DTs real strengh will come later when we have a bunch of checks breadcrumb and flips to tell the sanities apart. The method is to have all DTs breadcrumb their checks regardless and determine their sanity later. Contrary to what BC is saying this does not fuck with town.


And syllogism has only give criticism as opposed to a counter-plan. That's what convinced me

There is no "counter-plan" because the counter-plan involves our blues doing what they always do; mostly decide for themselves except when they don't have any idea, in which case they may rely on lists made by someone else who they feel is town. The plan is strictly worse than no plan, at least if you don't take into account the discussion it generates.


And THAT is my issue. In a game with this many new players, how can you advocate a course of action that doesn't involve a coordinated use of abilities? The DT plan has the distinct advantage of helping new players with a clear goal of playing the game in a certain way, as opposed to letting potential new DTs do what they want, and thus allowing mistakes.

How is it helpful to town to have a clearly defined course of action if this course of action is bad on its own? All it does is give the newbies a fake sense of security: they're heading somewhere, so it must be good, right?


I don't see it as a bad plan though. There have been mentions of it wasting potential vigi hits as well as DT checks at the start. But with the number of new players, there is a strong change of that happening anyway.
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 25 2011 16:47 GMT
#1109
its not a questioning of integrity -- there is nothing amoral with rerolling

also

PMs are NOT allowed in this game.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
November 25 2011 16:49 GMT
#1110
I'm off to bed,will also be missing the first few hours of n1 too.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 25 2011 16:49 GMT
#1111
annul are you in the game?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 25 2011 16:52 GMT
#1112
On November 25 2011 15:32 Nokarot wrote:
Usually when I'm allowed to edit posts, I edit sentences to get rid of all typography widows.

The above post will haunt me forever.

off topic sry

Get used to it. ^^

On November 25 2011 16:54 redFF wrote:
http://www.mediafire.com/?l6t68yibu3li068
thats a link to an html file of the first 50 pages, it will help you control f people for their filter among other things.

Thanks, that's actually useful.

On November 25 2011 10:05 redFF wrote:
Greymist number 1 lynch candidate right now? same question to everyone else running.

He hasn't posted a lot of actual content but he provided some reads (on Sandroba and YM) and hasn't been disruptive. I wouldn't call him a lynch candidate at the moment. What made you think that he is mafia?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 25 2011 16:53 GMT
#1113
I'm back. Fucking trains, noone likes trains...
Reading 15 pages of this thread, yay \o/

So if something directed something at me for whatever reason please give me like an hour to catch up and you'll have it.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
November 25 2011 16:54 GMT
#1114
This game is pretty funny.

DTs, disregard everything Palmar and BC has said. Any 'plan' to check your sanity is unfeasible. The scum is just trying to control you and confuse you and everyone else, which will happen. I will gladly be a sacrifice if it means you people will stop being sheep, I told you again and again Palmar will convince you to do anything he wants, scum or not.

BC scum4lyfe
lalala
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 16:54 GMT
#1115
On November 26 2011 01:49 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm off to bed,will also be missing the first few hours of n1 too.


You completely ignored my inquiry about the current situation of the game.

You claim youngminii is your scumread, yet you support sandroba who has defended youngminii, over me who has pledged to lynch youngminii.

Your play is disappointing at best, scummy at worst.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 16:56 GMT
#1116
On November 26 2011 01:52 xtfftc wrote:

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 16:54 redFF wrote:
http://www.mediafire.com/?l6t68yibu3li068
thats a link to an html file of the first 50 pages, it will help you control f people for their filter among other things.

Thanks, that's actually useful.


Alternatively:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aolx7msuf_IvdDNsN1dIbnNWcXJVaEFzU1AwN05sdUE&output=html

This is a document with links to the filters of all players in the game.
Computer says mafia
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 25 2011 16:57 GMT
#1117
annul, I don't think that what you're doing is helping town in any way. We're getting close to the deadline and you're starting an argument on whether one particular player is a newbie or smurfing or whatever... Surely you can figure this out later, considering that he's not runnign for mayor or anything?

On November 26 2011 01:36 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 04:59 xtfftc wrote:
And, just in case minushuman and the bunny missed my enquiries of all the EBWOP-ing:

On November 25 2011 04:26 xtfftc wrote:
On November 25 2011 04:25 minus_human wrote:
Lynch younminii.

Why?


On November 25 2011 04:43 xtfftc wrote:
On November 25 2011 04:31 IMABUNNEH wrote:
On November 25 2011 04:26 xtfftc wrote:
On November 25 2011 04:25 minus_human wrote:
Lynch younminii.

Why?


Lynch All Liars.

Why are you defending minushuman's lack of argumentation?




Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 22:39 minus_human wrote:
On November 24 2011 22:05 youngminii wrote:
See you guys have already been sucked in by Palmar's smooth talking. When did I ever say Palmar's scum is better than his town? That's just a strawman that Palmar invented to make his own points stronger.


On November 24 2011 18:37 youngminii wrote:
I am one of the most transparent player in this game, my town play is top notch, my scum play is pretty bad
Unlike some other candidates, you can actually call me out for being wrong, because I'm not bad

This is a lie. Your scum play is better than your town play, according to memory. You have so much sway with the majority of people that if anyone actually calls you out once you have your tight rein on town, you'll get your herd to quick lynch the offender.


hmm...



It would do you a lot of good if you put your thoughts into words instead of simply bolding some quotes.
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
November 25 2011 16:58 GMT
#1118
On November 26 2011 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm back. Fucking trains, noone likes trains...
Reading 15 pages of this thread, yay \o/

So if something directed something at me for whatever reason please give me like an hour to catch up and you'll have it.

literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
November 25 2011 16:59 GMT
#1119
annul just because your old doesnt mean you get to say whatever you want btw
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 25 2011 17:04 GMT
#1120
Palmar, thanks as well... I am trying to catch up with the thread and have 20 tabs open, so I accidentally replied to something older than I intended to.

On November 26 2011 01:47 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 01:29 xtfftc wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:50 iGrok wrote:
On November 25 2011 21:33 xtfftc wrote:
Currently the deadline is time, but that is subject to change.


When is the actual deadline?

P.S. Please let it not be at 3 AM European time again ^^

Day 1 ends 03:00 GMT (+00:00) Saturday, November 26.


:/

On November 26 2011 01:08 Hassybaby wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:45 Hassybaby wrote:
@Hassybaby This game has too many counter measures to DTs, so no plan is good. DTs real strengh will come later when we have a bunch of checks breadcrumb and flips to tell the sanities apart. The method is to have all DTs breadcrumb their checks regardless and determine their sanity later. Contrary to what BC is saying this does not fuck with town.


And syllogism has only give criticism as opposed to a counter-plan. That's what convinced me

There is no "counter-plan" because the counter-plan involves our blues doing what they always do; mostly decide for themselves except when they don't have any idea, in which case they may rely on lists made by someone else who they feel is town. The plan is strictly worse than no plan, at least if you don't take into account the discussion it generates.


And THAT is my issue. In a game with this many new players, how can you advocate a course of action that doesn't involve a coordinated use of abilities? The DT plan has the distinct advantage of helping new players with a clear goal of playing the game in a certain way, as opposed to letting potential new DTs do what they want, and thus allowing mistakes.

How is it helpful to town to have a clearly defined course of action if this course of action is bad on its own? All it does is give the newbies a fake sense of security: they're heading somewhere, so it must be good, right?


I don't see it as a bad plan though. There have been mentions of it wasting potential vigi hits as well as DT checks at the start. But with the number of new players, there is a strong change of that happening anyway.


Okay, let's clarify something.

Sandroba and Syllogism point out why the plan is bad.

You counter with "Okay, but all you're providing is criticisms and we need a plan".

I pointed out that a bad plan is worse than no plan.

And you come back with "I don't think it's a bad plan".

If you don't think that it's a bad plan, why go for the "but you're not offering an alternative" instead of actually pointing out why it's not bad?
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