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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 06 2011 14:45 Hier wrote: It seems I have underestimated the amount of terrible town players in this game. I don't lurk, ever. Nor do I plan to. Not as town, not as scum. If I don't post, it's because I can't. Also, what kind of a pathetic death was that? I'll remember that, WBG. gg If one post in 48 hours is all you can muster, which by the way does not even meet the activity requirements, don't join games or at least inform us of your inactivity beforehand. Do not reply to this since you are dead. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On December 06 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote: If one post in 48 hours is all you can muster, which by the way does not even meet the activity requirements, don't join games or at least inform us of your inactivity beforehand. Do not reply to this since you are dead. Do not talk to or pick on dead people. Its not fair to attack them if they cannot respond. If you want to have a discussion, please save it for after the game. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:48 Incognito wrote: Do not talk to or pick on dead people. Its not fair to attack them if they cannot respond. If you want to have a discussion, please save it for after the game. Especially since you're only doing it to justify your vote and attempt to wash your hands clean... The bandwagon on Hier was formed out of convenience with manipulation from mafia. Don't pretend that there was an actual good reason to carry it out. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 06 2011 20:55 syllogism wrote: Yes, that was inappropriate but his farewell post was quite ridiculous Maybe he's thinking ahead to future games where he might actually be mafia. Then he can purposely not post and quote himself. It's ingenious!! If I get killed tonight, I'm going to have to come up with a really good multi-purpose death post as well. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Refallen
452 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 06 2011 20:55 kingjames01 wrote: The bandwagon on Hier was formed out of convenience with manipulation from mafia. Don't pretend that there was an actual good reason to carry it out. Can you expand on this? I know you haven't been around lately, but if you have been reading the thread, you must know that a lot of people consider Palmar a good player and he was quite active. I notice you were not voting for Palmar and thus believe that he likely isn't mafia. Who would mafia rather want dead, hier or palmar? After answering that, reconcile it with your assertion that the wagon formed "out of convenience and manipulation from mafia". Can you point to anything specific in Hier's play that made you so sure that he would flip town? If you struggle answering these questions, what do you think your alignment is more likely to be, objectively speaking? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
Anyway, I just want to throw in my two cents on v7 for now. vaderseven is extremely unlikely to be scum, except for one thing, his choice of target. Everything else points towards him being town. The attempt to communicate his role name to me (Jack) especially screams town, as it seems like he'd never be confident enough to try that if his role was a scumrole. In addition, the panic seemed real enough, and I'm dead sure that he'd have waited for his team approval if he was mafia. Now, shooting soap was pretty bad, the only reasonable explanation I can find to it is that Soap was super-lurking, and vaderseven noticed me calling Soap my homeboy, and somehow hoped Soap would flip scum in order to incriminate me. Obviously vaderseven was at the time quite pissed off at me. But yes, even the only reasonable explanation for the target choice leads to v7 being town. I guess you could argue that Soap is also the lowest-risk target for mafia, and for that reason I'm not willing to go as far as call v7 confirmed, but I'd at least consider him quite strongly town. | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
On December 06 2011 08:27 Mattchew wrote: Im ##vote redFF his posts are all one liners and offer literally nothing. He originally voted Palmar then hoped off that when others starting voting him. He is now trying to start a corrupt bandwagon leading me to believe that palmar and corrupt are town as well. On December 06 2011 09:55 Mattchew wrote: My feeling is that redFF is mafia and I would like people to look more closely at that. If not I cannot sit here and vote for someone we know so little about... I am with you on this one. There's something fishy about him and lately with all the non-productive one-liners he posts, I'm starting to have a stronger feeling on him. Okey so, in the start he did some scumhunting, made a case on Palmar and proved to be very agressive in his search for information. I read this as an attempt of establishing himself as a Green player (which I think he succeeded to do). Then what he does is switching his vote from Palmar (his original case) to me. On December 05 2011 21:23 redFF wrote: ##Unvote meh palmar you're ok for now can't get over corrupt saying "so many suspicious people" and then only being able to list 1 and then ignoring my pushing of the issue. ##Vote Corrupt After I ask for his argument, he just ignores me with this line: <2 people is not "so many"> And never sayis anything in addition to the subject. Okey, good, but later.. This happens: On December 06 2011 06:47 Corrupt wrote: You had a case on Palmar earlier and now you're unhappy with the current events. Bother to explain please? He just goes: On December 06 2011 06:47 redFF wrote: EVERYONE ON CORRUPT GOGOGO ..What? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 06 2011 16:52 Drazerk wrote: I told you he would escape the lynch only to lynch a townie it happens every time -.- I CLAIM ROLEBLOCK IMMUNE MEDIC ...who has to claim night one. Going away for next few hours do your worst scum. quick question: Why did you claim? Is your roleblock immune medic also immortal? About palmar: I still think he's probably town and his role is confirmed since the anon-vote appeared. However people have been saying this role is a mafia role, it could be very well a mafia palmar who just claimed his real role because he's able to prove it. So I'm not going to trust palmar unless he makes some good moves this day. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On December 06 2011 22:38 Toadesstern wrote: quick question: Why did you claim? Is your roleblock immune medic also immortal? About palmar: I still think he's probably town and his role is confirmed since the anon-vote appeared. However people have been saying this role is a mafia role, it could be very well a mafia palmar who just claimed his real role because he's able to prove it. So I'm not going to trust palmar unless he makes some good moves this day. There is the possibility that he is a Jack of All Trades that has to claim every night the role he wants to be. That's what I could make of that at least. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
JOAT is actually a very bland name that could determine a role that can do multiple things with limitations. For instance, on Steamship Liquidia, I was a Jack of All Trades(Blackjack) that could roleblock, protect or frame, but not all at once. There was a "Corpse Jack" which was also considered a JOAT that could do anything a dead player could, provided he selected a player to "copy" on that night. The very description is "Jack of All Trades, Master of None", which means that he is capable of anything, but there are drawbacks. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
What about his timings during this whole dayvig thing. You retract your dayvig claim here and he absolutely knows this because he asks you if you retracted and then you answer "yes". After that has been established he goes on to shoot Soap even though he says here that he will shoot only if is closed to being lynched. I am really interested in hearing vaderseven's reason for why he shot Soap when he was absolutely certain he wasn't in any immediate danger, going against what he had previously said about his shot, because this is very scummy to me. I don't see why a townie would shoot in this situation. Even though he hasn't played on this forum a lot, vaderseven is a veteran with years of experience. If he was townie he would have kept his head cool and then he would have listened to other people for opinions on who to shoot. If he is scum he in a pretty bad situation, and he has following options:
If he is town, why the hell didn't he wait for people to show up and tell everybody to calm down? Why didn't he want to listen to other people's opinion, but instead he went all vigilante? I think that this would be the only way for a townie to handle this situation when he's not actually in immediate danger. I don't agree with your idea that vaderseven would have waited around for whatever people said in QT, this was an ideal situation for scum vaderseven to get his shot off without being held very much accountable, and I'm pretty sure that town vaderseven would have kept his cool in this situation. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 06 2011 22:41 Zephirdd wrote: There is the possibility that he is a Jack of All Trades that has to claim every night the role he wants to be. That's what I could make of that at least. mmh not much info about that role on a wiki as it could be anything. However v7 claimed something along those lines. He said his role was called jack and you just brought it up. So v7's dayvig called jack is a jack of all trades? Conclusion: Palmar is what he claimed and not a jack. He some hints by v7 all telling him that his claim was right if he'd be a jack as well and he didn't catch those. So I'm going to say palmars claim is right | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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TruthBringer
United States578 Posts
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