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OOHCHILD
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:20 Onegu wrote: I agree but defending for being a noob is almost the same damn thing. I don't think he's town for being a noob but it makes Mocstas points very weak. I wanted to question Mocsta and then VE got in my face and inplied i was defending Storrzerg for questioning Mocsta. That is why ultimately all of this Grack hate has ensued. | ||
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Skanjab1s
748 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I also pointed out points that make you scum. Perhaps you should read it more. I have clear points against you that are more than "he trolled" The only points I can find that are more than "he trolled" are: (1) That he wants kush to be mayor (which he had said he was going to do before in the pregame) (2) A storrzerg connection theory, which is only relevant once one of them flip. (3) That he passed off responsibility to pandain. (3) Is the only alignment indicative one right now, unless there is another point that I have missed. | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
1) besides bc who do you think is scum, and is bc your strongest scum read? 2) what do you think of pandain this game? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
You might be on to something. Here is Holyflare his scum game in Hogwarts (filter) Here is Holyflare his town game in newbie XLVII game. (filter) Here is Holyflare his town game in newbie XLVI game (filter) Holyflare makes a shitton of cases as either alignment but he seems to force his cases down people their throats when he is town. But when he is scum he asks a lot more questions to lure people into investing time in his cases. Something like that. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On November 15 2013 23:37 Spaghetticus wrote: I just got home. it seems like we've been active, I'll read through. Hello friend, do you have any thoughts yet? Any are welcome. Regarding thread: I had a similar evolution of my read on Rayn as HF had. The way he responded to the pressure was one I'd expect a clear headed town to make. Rather than defend himself over and over he pried into players to get new reads and update his old ones. Due to having the same evolution in my read at the same time I find it hard to consider him scum at this point. I don't like the cases on Grackaroni. I see anti town behaviour, but not scum behaviour. I don't feel there's an agenda behind Grack's posts. He's got a minimal influence on the thread. Especially BC's felt full of padding. On November 16 2013 02:28 Mig wrote: The first half of BC's case against you Grack is terrible and overwritten but he is accurate in saying you have been worthless this game. In white flag you figured out pandain was town very quickly and zerod in on Oats in no time. This game you have provided nothing. A couple questions, 1) besides bc who do you think is scum, and is bc your strongest scum read? 2) what do you think of pandain this game? You also haven't been very useful yet this game. Who do you think is scum? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Grackaroni¤tpage=3 tell me how that game differs from this one. Hint, grack was town in that one | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You also haven't been very useful yet this game. Who do you think is scum? A lot of my thoughts are based off the only recent game I have played with people. Before BC's post I was most suspicious of Grack. Now I am concerned that BC wrote out 5 paragraphs on Grack's trolling. BC should know better. Grack is still shady tho and hasn't been nearly as confident with his plays as he was in white flag. Hopeless - Useless and already making excuses for inactivity. He was quite helpful and confident in white flag. Mocsta- the hunt scum/for scum is possibly the dumbest argument I have ever read for why someone is scum and really seemed like he was stretching facts to make a case. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:28 Mig wrote: The first half of BC's case against you Grack is terrible and overwritten but he is accurate in saying you have been worthless this game. In white flag you figured out pandain was town very quickly and zerod in on Oats in no time. This game you have provided nothing. A couple questions, 1) besides bc who do you think is scum, and is bc your strongest scum read? 2) what do you think of pandain this game? BC lengthy uselessness, especially in his attack on me makes him a likely scummer. He cares a lot about appearances. Hopeless/Sharrant have both blended in nicely. They need to be watched out for. I still think Mocsta's case could be scum motivated; it's very opportunistic to grab on to a newb playing the noob card as scum behavior. That's just what new players do. I'm not sure on Pandain but I agree with what he's saying so he's fine for now. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: artanis do me a favour read this for me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Grackaroni¤tpage=3 tell me how that game differs from this one. Hint, grack was town in that one Friendly advice. It's best to include games from both alignments when trying to make a meta case  | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:55 Grackaroni wrote: Friendly advice. It's best to include games from both alignments when trying to make a meta case I think you are red here, so compare this game to that game? Surprisingly they are very different. That is the "meta" case. If I was having issues reading you I would deff have a list of games from both sides to compare to but I think I tagged you properly | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: artanis do me a favour read this for me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Grackaroni¤tpage=3 tell me how that game differs from this one. Hint, grack was town in that one Fair enough. He does seem to take the game a lot more serious there than he has been here. I checked White Flag out too though and he spent a good deal of Day 1 arguing about RNG lynching, here it was the mayor election. He was more proactive in both White Flag and Hogwarts than he has been so far though, I'll give you that. Why didn't you make this comparison immediately though? On November 16 2013 02:53 Mig wrote: A lot of my thoughts are based off the only recent game I have played with people. Before BC's post I was most suspicious of Grack. Now I am concerned that BC wrote out 5 paragraphs on Grack's trolling. BC should know better. Grack is still shady tho and hasn't been nearly as confident with his plays as he was in white flag. Hopeless - Useless and already making excuses for inactivity. He was quite helpful and confident in white flag. Mocsta- the hunt scum/for scum is possibly the dumbest argument I have ever read for why someone is scum and really seemed like he was stretching facts to make a case. I like this post a lot. Similar thoughts on BC and Mocsta. Haven't had the experience with Hopeless yet, will look into him. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I think you are red here, so compare this game to that game? Surprisingly they are very different. That is the "meta" case. If I was having issues reading you I would deff have a list of games from both sides to compare to but I think I tagged you properly My play this game is also very different from Golden Sun in which I was scum. Different means nothing. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:53 Mig wrote: A lot of my thoughts are based off the only recent game I have played with people. Before BC's post I was most suspicious of Grack. Now I am concerned that BC wrote out 5 paragraphs on Grack's trolling. BC should know better. Grack is still shady tho and hasn't been nearly as confident with his plays as he was in white flag. Hopeless - Useless and already making excuses for inactivity. He was quite helpful and confident in white flag. Mocsta- the hunt scum/for scum is possibly the dumbest argument I have ever read for why someone is scum and really seemed like he was stretching facts to make a case. BC is of the old school generation where you would post by post analysis. Sadly that means you will get a breakdown of virtually every post the guy has made when I make a case. It may make it long and wordy but at least you get my thought process in full. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fair enough. He does seem to take the game a lot more serious there than he has been here. I checked White Flag out too though and he spent a good deal of Day 1 arguing about RNG lynching, here it was the mayor election. He was more proactive in both White Flag and Hogwarts than he has been so far though, I'll give you that. Why didn't you make this comparison immediately though? I like this post a lot. Similar thoughts on BC and Mocsta. Haven't had the experience with Hopeless yet, will look into him. I honestly didnt notice it til after. I haven't read white flag, or hogwarts. I also don't tend to read games if I haven't played in them. At an attempt to not repeat mistakes of my last large game I was in I opted to attempt a new route given how badly my normal one was received. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:53 Mig wrote: Mocsta- the hunt scum/for scum is possibly the dumbest argument I have ever read for why someone is scum and really seemed like he was stretching facts to make a case. I tried to discuss this. Quite frankly I think VE was the one that was actually cock blocking me not the other way around as he would imply. But I'll try to avoid connections for now. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On November 16 2013 03:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I honestly didnt notice it til after. I haven't read white flag, or hogwarts. I also don't tend to read games if I haven't played in them. At an attempt to not repeat mistakes of my last large game I was in I opted to attempt a new route given how badly my normal one was received. That's what I thought. I'm presuming the trolling was what led you to investigate him to begin with. It leads to a desire of you for him to want to be scum so you search for a good reason to lynch him. There is some merit to your case, but I feel it's too padded and the actual core doesn't hold enough water for me. | ||
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