EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 51
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Grackaroni
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BloodyC0bbler
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On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched: *also elect me as mayor* 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list | ||
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Grackaroni
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Skanjab1s
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On November 16 2013 01:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Skan atm is a null read for me but he has said some really dumbass shit. Its not alignment indicative but if he keeps it up he will shift from null to red. He is leaning scum on two of my strongest town reads currently for no real reason on either. You should find better townreads then. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On November 16 2013 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen can't possibly get me lynched when i am town and me arguing with him about it does nothing good because i am fairly sure we can't come to an agreement. So it's better for everyone if i let him do his own stuff, if he's town he will probably realize i am town at some point, if he is scum i don't know but we'll see about that later. I would say the only issue I have with this is he doesn't need to get you lynched. He just needs to convince a player like me, yamato, etc... Then we would get you lynched. Ignoring someone fully while sometimes understandable you realllly need to be clear why you are doing so when you first ignore them or it makes people question you. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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or you should be less bad? See how this game is played. How about you give me some real scum reads now rather than terrible ones. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On November 16 2013 01:55 Koshi wrote: Told you guys he would come back with a bang. @BC StorrZerg - Not enough content, don't understand why so many people are disappointed with him, because that is the main reason on why he is scum? Wasn't that incredible awesome in Hogwarts. Grackeroni - Can lynch. Don't know if he would flip red. Truly useless. Don't know if he plays this game to find scum. @rayn Holyflare - I liked Holyflare his posts in Hogwarts on D1, don't like them now. Could be because he doesn't know the answers this game. Don't see why he is scummy. dude my issue is I played with him near the beginning of TL mafia. My issue isn't his content it was the clear misrepresentation of his status. Hes not a newbie and hes trying to play on that to get elected. Why manipulate people into giving you something instead of proving yourself worthy of it. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list The problem is the underlined. I explained i did never call Risen town to people, after this the question is "is rayn lying or not -> do i believe his explanation or is he making shit up" yet HF still says i did something i didn't do and does not address my explanation at all. He interprets my original post in some way and when i explain it i am "correcting myself" when in fact i am not. Here the problem is he is saying his campaign is the absolute best and pro-town while it's not. He is justifying himself being town because of a post that's not alignment indicative (like other people have said aswell) and me being scum because i called the post bad originally? | ||
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Skanjab1s
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On November 16 2013 02:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: or you should be less bad? See how this game is played. How about you give me some real scum reads now rather than terrible ones. Says the guy who took a whole page to say that Grack likes to troll. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On November 16 2013 02:01 Grackaroni wrote: I troll and say nothing. BC says nothing but tries to fluff up his posts to make it appear like he is contributing more than he is. Which is scummer? The correct answer is: BloodyC0bbler! ##Vote: Yamato | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On November 16 2013 02:05 Skanjab1s wrote: Says the guy who took a whole page to say that Grack likes to troll. Go read my old games. You will notice my hatred of trolls is well founded, but I still read their posts as they tend to actually slip up. Trolling is never acceptable and the way he is doing it actively hurts the town. Trolling can still be done in a way that while annoying as shit benefits the town. He has done nothing that is good and all that is bad. Look at the way he does his trolling compared to the positive ways he could and you will notice my read is pretty well founded. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On November 16 2013 02:08 Grackaroni wrote: The correct answer is: BloodyC0bbler! ##Vote: Yamato Ive said quite a bit actually. Thanks for making me read from 95% to a full 100% | ||
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Onegu
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On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote: fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~ @ rayn's post earlier: Here You claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why? You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum readS". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1. There is also: You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ @rest of the town Also some other things that struck me as odd; Hopeless' start to the game: I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1. By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: You get modkilled for not voting. :p What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote: Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game. Oats, shy are you so prickly this game. Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous. Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note. Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless. Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote: Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game? He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him. Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet. On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote: Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts. Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like: . Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time? ________________________________________________________ For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would. Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn. On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote: Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked. He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion. On November 15 2013 14:20 Holyflare wrote: What does scum matt look like then? On November 15 2013 15:00 Holyflare wrote: Either way, he isn't here and I've linked all that needs to be linked. What do you think of rayn so far. I know you had some back and forths last game. Has your read on him improved because of hogwarts or not? Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On November 16 2013 02:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Go read my old games. You will notice my hatred of trolls is well founded, but I still read their posts as they tend to actually slip up. Trolling is never acceptable and the way he is doing it actively hurts the town. Trolling can still be done in a way that while annoying as shit benefits the town. He has done nothing that is good and all that is bad. Look at the way he does his trolling compared to the positive ways he could and you will notice my read is pretty well founded. Your hatred of trolls is irrelevant. If your scum hunting is just long detailed out cases for people being trolls (which is essentially a policy lynch, not a scum lynch than you need to go. You want to look useful but you arent | ||
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Grackaroni
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On November 16 2013 02:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ive said quite a bit actually. Thanks for making me read from 95% to a full 100% You're welcome. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On November 16 2013 02:12 Grackaroni wrote: Your hatred of trolls is irrelevant. If your scum hunting is just long detailed out cases for people being trolls (which is essentially a policy lynch, not a scum lynch than you need to go. You want to look useful but you arent I also pointed out points that make you scum. Perhaps you should read it more. I have clear points against you that are more than "he trolled" | ||
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Grackaroni
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Grackaroni
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On November 16 2013 02:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I also pointed out points that make you scum. Perhaps you should read it more. I have clear points against you that are more than "he trolled" You also I have been an abnormally active troll. | ||
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Onegu
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On November 16 2013 02:16 Grackaroni wrote: Also I tried to be polite earlier but anybody treating Storrzerg as a veteran is a fool. I agree but defending for being a noob is almost the same damn thing. | ||
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