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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
It's common sense. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Hapa especially had his vote in scummy places. Assuming of course that you are town, he swapped off of his scumread onto an unknown for policy like reasons. Super was the one who had to put his foot down and say fuck you all, we kill the guy we were going to kill. I don't think Ruuch was scum, so swapping off Prom (town) onto Ruuch (I think town) looks really scummy to me. Hapa fits that bill. How could he assume that someone is town? It makes no sense from a town perspective. He can't be the cop with a green check on iamp, since the cop is dead. Can't be mason buddies with iamp, since this happened: On January 15 2013 08:58 Hopeless1der wrote: Better than Prom ##Unvote: Lazermonkey ##Vote: Ruuch Solution? Hopeless is scum. He went from: a) Voting Ruuch b) Unsubstantiated town read on Iamp: I'm more inclined to believe bugs and Ruuch(Lamp) are town, so right now my choices to vote are Lazer and SlOosh, and possibly Hapa for no other reason than his vote was in scummy places. c) Assumes that iamp is town. @ Iamp On January 17 2013 00:29 iamperfection wrote: @ hapa Why do you have a strong town read on Mr. Zentor based on meta when he said before the game he was changing his style. When i read his filter i dont see many town like traits. He shirked his vote responsibility when he voted prom. He hasnt pushed many scum reads at all, He keeps screaming meta as his defense when he said before the game he would change it ... MrZ is lurk-tastic as scum. He is not lurk-tastic here. I got a very strong town feel for MrZ in the early game when he was driving a majority of the discussion. In his scum games, he very deliberately tries to avoid the spotlight. His early-game play is the opposite of that mentality. Furthermore, everything you mentioned above is the exact same thing he's done in his last two town games (Witchcraft + British Mini), both of which I was in. This is the exact same pattern, and I strongly believe he's town. As for him "wanting to change his meta," he was more active in the early game and generated more discussion than in any game I've been in with him. That's townie to me. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 16 2013 17:28 jaybrundage wrote: Sloosh looks like scum to me. He makes a a case on Hopeless1der. But its mostly just a test case to see if WBG is scummy. When WBG starts putting pressure on him he OMGUS's but ends up backing off and saying lets just lynch Hopeless1der instead. I agree that Hopeless hasn't contributed much at all this game and that he does look scummy. But the fact that Sloosh wants to vote for hopeless seems really suspect to me. Why would scum vote for there partner when there are other lynch candidates today. He could of picked out of alot of different people like grush lazer. It doesn't make any sense that he would pick someone that would be his partner. It feels like Sloosh is taking the easy way out. He didnt feel confident to try to lych town WBG so he backs off and decided to go for Hopeless again. ##Vote SloOsh On January 16 2013 12:47 slOosh wrote: I was going to push hopeless because he was my scum read, and the push itself was designed to give me a read on WBG. I wasn't pushing hopeless for the sole reason to get a reaction from WBG, it was an additional reason. On January 16 2013 12:16 slOosh wrote: I was taking time off thread to reread carefully given the flip, and didn't have much confidence in my reads to see them worth dumping. I've had some hesitation in straight up building a case against scum WBG, given his reputation, and wanted to do the hopeless thing beforehand. With how I'm approaching my WBG case, do you disagree with my interpretation of things? Do you agree with his interpretation of things? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:21 thrawn2112 wrote: that's too simplistic of an approach. can you actually tell me what you think of the specific things he's done this game? I haven't actually read his filter that much since I have a townread on him. But let's see: - He defends several players (mostly Jay and Kush) with conviction, backed up with reasoning and pointing out mistakes in arguments against them - this is definitely townish play, since why would scum MrZentor go so far to put his neck on the line? Even if we consider these players to be scum, it would be much more natural for scum MrZentor to ignore these attention-grabbing situations or to confuse the attention away from them somehow - He asks a lot of questions and argues about several topics - at least he's very active and engaged in the thread, which is good, but he doesn't really push any scumreads, which isn't good - He posts some "lists" with his suspicions without taking any action based on them, which is worrying to say the least - He sheeps to vote Prom even though Prom is never included in his suspicions... in fact he never calls Prom scum.... then he pretty much defends himself with meta and argues about off-topic stuff until Prom is lynched... then he disappears for two days from the thread.... ugh, this is all scummy  - He sheeps again the major wagon on Sloosh without giving even a shred of reasoning... why, oh why Looking at this without meta, it does look pretty bad, but you have to consider that he played very similarly in Paranoia Mafia (and was town of course). He sheeped all his votes there and (almost) never gave proper reasoning. So you just can't use normal standards with him or you fail miserably. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:18 slOosh wrote: Why was my push on Prom bad, and how is that equivalent to scummy? Notice WBG still hasn't addressed this. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
No one does any work around here. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote: Bugs' vote was on Zentor, until Ruuch showed his face. Bugs didn't do much to stop the Prom lynch, other than trying to get Ruuch at the last minute. This move puts him under suspicion, same as Hapa, but based on the night conversations, I believe only 1 of SlOosh and wbg are scum. I'm not discounting the possibility that both sloosh and wbg are scum, but it seems far less likely, and I think sloosh is more suspicious (/sheep bugs). How? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:13 Hapahauli wrote: Apparently no one does any thinking either, if we're going to lynch someone over Hopeless today. I'd agree with that too, given that both thrawn and zentor simply swapped their votes over to slOosh as soon as I did. I think both slOosh and Hopeless are good lynches for today. If they are both scum, and it's certainly possible, who does that leave us with for a third scum? Grush? If one of them is not? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:17 wherebugsgo wrote: I'd agree with that too, given that both thrawn and zentor simply swapped their votes over to slOosh as soon as I did. I think both slOosh and Hopeless are good lynches for today. If they are both scum, and it's certainly possible, who does that leave us with for a third scum? Grush? If one of them is not? My first concern is seeing Hopeless hang, and then we'll find the rest. SloOsh could be scum based on how he handled himself last night (flinging shit at you, willingness to compromise on Hopeless), but I'm not convinced. As for a 3rd, I have no idea. I was originally thinking Lazer, but given how hard Hopeless decided to push him, I don't think that's realistic. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:17 wherebugsgo wrote: I'd agree with that too, given that both thrawn and zentor simply swapped their votes over to slOosh as soon as I did. I think both slOosh and Hopeless are good lynches for today. If they are both scum, and it's certainly possible, who does that leave us with for a third scum? Grush? If one of them is not? Do you actually even care about who gets lynched? And why are you using connections before any flips? And... why did you ignore my last post for you? Seriously, there's just too much wrong with you this game. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
You seem to be "not convinced" that slOosh is scum. Then, we are looking at TWO additional scum, not just one. So, who? I don't want to lynch Hopeless just to have him flip town and then have to start all over again like we had to do today. Chances are strong that if we don't talk now about these types of possibilities we won't be able to later. ignoring Zentor's activity, what makes him town? What's your opinion on grush? Lazer? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:26 Hapahauli wrote: My first concern is seeing Hopeless hang, and then we'll find the rest. SloOsh could be scum based on how he handled himself last night (flinging shit at you, willingness to compromise on Hopeless), but I'm not convinced. As for a 3rd, I have no idea. I was originally thinking Lazer, but given how hard Hopeless decided to push him, I don't think that's realistic. Aren't you in the slightest suspicious of either WBG or Jay? Seriously, why? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote: well, let's talk about it. You seem to be "not convinced" that slOosh is scum. Then, we are looking at TWO additional scum, not just one. So, who? I don't want to lynch Hopeless just to have him flip town and then have to start all over again like we had to do today. Chances are strong that if we don't talk now about these types of possibilities we won't be able to later. ignoring Zentor's activity, what makes him town? What's your opinion on grush? Lazer? If I had to pick two right now, I'd say SloOsh/Grush I have reasons to think everyone else is town. Iamperfection is being active and open, which is indicative of his town-play (especially this early after replacing in). Whether or not he sustains this activity will be how I ultimately read him, but so far he's being townie. Jay is also more active than I'd expect from his scum-play. MrZ is also being active and open. The things that people find "scummy" about him (early town reads, lack of pushing reads) are completely normal for his town-play. It's the attention-grabbing in the early-game that really makes me think he's town. The early town-reads, him drawing attention to himself through his activity... these aren't things that scum MrZ does. Xata is gunning for you WBG, and I find that horrendously brave for a scum to do. Especially for him. Lazer was pushed by Hopeless for most of the game. Outside his "slip" or whatever, I can't find any reasons that he's scum. Thrawn's early game voting and attention grabbing is indicative of his town play. And you WBG have been one of the more active and concerned players in recent days. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:31 Xatalos wrote: Aren't you in the slightest suspicious of either WBG or Jay? Seriously, why? See the above post + my night-post for more info. What do you think about my case on Hopeless? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Correct? | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:01 wherebugsgo wrote: By default that means you think the scumteam is hopeless, slOosh, and grush. Correct? Correct. I'm going to lynch Hopeless first, as I'm most confident about him. I have to account for the fact that I could be wrong about one of my town-reads. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:49 Hapahauli wrote: See the above post + my night-post for more info. What do you think about my case on Hopeless? So WBG gets a pass for being active? Did you even read my case? Where do you see him being "concerned" really? He was pretty unbelievably indifferent about the D1 lynch, and now he's open to several different lynches depending on how the thread goes... I think the case on Hopeless is decent, but most of those points - indifference about the lynch, weak attitude to pushing scumreads, flinging suspicion at people without pushing them - apply to WBG as well (especially during D1). Actually even MrZentor has done similar stuff - and he's most likely town. I do think that Hopeless has done scummy things but he's not our best lynch. | ||
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