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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Here you say that you breadcrumbed your trigger, which we now know is that you can shoot people who are mean. I can't find it anywhere in your earlier posts, can you point it out for me? Also, can you explain what you were thinking day1 with the whole "this is the genesis of fakeclaims" and your Chezinu buddying and your multiphase plans that didn't amount to anything? Was all that just for the lulz? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Are you ever going to tell people what the hell you found in GGQ and Mr. Wiggles' filters or what? Did you claim yet? | ||
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bumatlarge
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Ver
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On December 29 2011 13:05 prplhz wrote: @L Are you ever going to tell people what the hell you found in GGQ and Mr. Wiggles' filters or what? Did you claim yet? GGQ spent the majority of his last few posts railing against RoL's claims, then voted wiggles. Then we've got GGQ's probably only 'quality' post which contains this: I see two possibilities: 1) Mafia roleblocked and shot GM. This is a pretty simpleminded way of doing things for the mafia. It completely eliminates the risk that GM would shoot one of them. 2) Mafia roleblocked GM and someone else shot him. Let's examine the motivations for each action. If Mafia roleblocks GM, he survives the night and no scum is dead. GM looks super scummy day 2 and very possibly gets lynched. Why would someone shoot him? Several decent cases about why he might be mafia were made during day 1 and he counterclaimed LSB who flipped town. He posted nothing during the night phase that would discourage a shot until after the deadline. It's quite possible that a townie would shoot him. I'm moving farther into speculation here, but I suspect VE shot GM. If you look at day 1, GM mentioned the possibility of suicide vigilantes in his post with the justice picture. VE then twice brings this up suggesting that GM seems to have hidden knowledge of roles in the game (GM had that knowledge because of his role but VE assumed that he had it because he was mafia which would mean VE assumed GM was right about there being a suicide vigilante. Why so certain? Because VE was one himself). Also he laters threatens Sheth that if he doesn't vote LSB something bad will happen to him overnight. GGQ was pretty much the only person on record defending against a lynch on the grounds which are now taking place. He was an outspoken critic of RoL's claims as well. Wiggles looked into RoL's claims and found that his claim to innocence was bullshit, then he spent the last day looking at a grand total of 1 thing: asking people to look into bum. After a full 3 days away from the thread, his ONLY posts were about bumatlarge. Add up the dots; Both were leaning against RoL. One was leaning against bum. Both die and then a bum/kita group starts pushing a lynch for a reason which could equally be pushed onto RoL. I mean, shit, this is a pretty obvious string of events. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that about Jackal58 and GGQ too when Jackal58 died? Jackal58 had been suspicious of GGQ and then Jackal58 died and you got suspicious of GGQ or something like that? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On December 29 2011 17:00 prplhz wrote: @L Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that about Jackal58 and GGQ too when Jackal58 died? Jackal58 had been suspicious of GGQ and then Jackal58 died and you got suspicious of GGQ or something like that? Day 2's analysis was more of an effort to get people talking and see who would be willing to jump whole heartedly onto a lynch with an admittedly mediocre amount of information. The hope was that people would out themselves early on and that we'd be able to set up a play during the night, but we ended up having another innocent train start up, which completely neutered that effort. We ended up with a no lynch day 2 because of how little people were talking, so I'm not sure what could have been done better, but if I prevented BC from being lynched, I saved us a death. That said, I'm 1 out of 2 in terms of people I've pushed, the two being Palmar and GGQ, so the record isn't' that bad. In this instance, however, it isn't merely a single post of Jackal's casting aspersions at someone. Even if we just look at the posts of the dead, in this instance we have multiple players with MASSIVE posts against RoL's arguments on day 2 followed up with EXCLUSIVE posting about the person who is trying to start the bus to save him. There's also no one claiming the hits on these two people. But we don't just have the posts of the dead. We have voting patterns; RoL spent yesterday trying to get BC killed. His vote today and the post that goes along with it recognizes the fact that he realizes either he or chez is mafia. If Bum/kita believe that RoL is innocent, then why aren't they voting chez? The answer should be obvious; they don't give a shit about catching mafia. Bum started day 1 on the hydra. hydra died day 1 and pretty much everyone assumes it was a mafia hit. He switches to align with me onto palmar (at the same time as he now claims that he was crumbing a hit on me, which is a pretty overt lie), but promptly jumps off that to get on the innocent LSB train. Day two? Votes Wiggles then BC. Both, again, innocent. Kitaman? Sheth, GMarshall, Foolishness, Prplhz, BC, Me. I personally think Sheth is a townie, and I know you are unless you shot one of your mafia buddies, which leaves us with another 6 innocent people being pushed. So yeah, its a bit more than just a dead guy's post. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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##Vote L | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Why didn't you shoot Liquid`Sheth or Chezinu with your lurker shot? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On December 29 2011 12:03 prplhz wrote: @RebirthOfLeGenD Can you tell me why you shot BloodyC0bbler over Liquid`Sheth and Chezinu? A couple of reasons, namely what I highlighted earlier as suspicious. Combine that with a vigi claim on gmarshal which seemed scummy and came at the last minute. After that I also wanted to know his alignment so I can crossreference those who voted for him (and failed) vs those who voted for LSB day 1 and draw inferences. As an aside from that, let me explain a couple of things I should of realized and taken into account but had reason for disregarding. Firstly when I accused BC there was virtually no discussion, just sheeping. No case is so good to the point where the mafia wouldn't try to divert it off one of their own, on that I should of known I was aiming and missing with my lynch, but I justified that by telling myself the Christmas inactivity unilaterally affected activity so I couldn't use that tell to figure out I was on the wrong track. The second thing is BC's lack of concern with the game. The amount he didn't care should of came off as a bored townie, I rarely ever see him not try that hard, however I had to consider he could just be bored overall and can't simply attribute inactivity and meager posting to only town lazyness so I didn't feel comfortable letting him live based off that read. At the end of the day, the vigi claim (That would make me the 4th vigi) seemed really high, which was before we knew what the game set up most likely was, and that combined with the late Gmarshal claim was really really weird. Since I wanted to be able to cross reference voting lists that seemed good enough to justify the hit. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Canada4732 Posts
On December 29 2011 18:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: In retrospect, Chezinu and Sheth both might of been better shots, but I had more analytical reasoning for the BC vote. Might have? Either you or Chez is mafia and for some reason you didn't hit him because you instead wanted to kill one of our strongest players and it 'might' have been a mistake? Is anyone else even bothering to read how bad these posts are? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
##vote L | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 29 2011 19:15 L wrote: Might have? Either you or Chez is mafia and for some reason you didn't hit him because you instead wanted to kill one of our strongest players and it 'might' have been a mistake? Is anyone else even bothering to read how bad these posts are? Lol cherry picking much? I explained my reasoning in detail, BC had literally done nothing all game and wasn't looking to begin doing anything. Tell me though, yesterday did anyone once say me or Chez is mafia? I don't even recall that being remotely on the table until BC flipped. Stop making shit up. | ||
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On December 29 2011 19:21 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Lol cherry picking much? I explained my reasoning in detail, BC had literally done nothing all game and wasn't looking to begin doing anything. Tell me though, yesterday did anyone once say me or Chez is mafia? I don't even recall that being remotely on the table until BC flipped. Stop making shit up. Uh, when Chez claimed he was RB'd, there were no other ways to explain why you weren't killed unless GM lied because you said you weren't medic protected. Multiple people brought this up, including me and a few people who are now dead. This is literally a bus driven by foolishness's crumb only that we have no one claiming RB today meaning that the scenario that GGQ was killed for describing is coming to fruition. If you're not mafia, you'd be 100% balls to the wall with an effort to kill Chez because you'd know he's mafia 100%. You're not doing that. You're chainsawing at me. This makes me pretty sure that you're the liar, and not him. Also, @Syllogism, Sheth never said that I was today's best lynch candidate, but that he thinks RoL is innocent because no one has counterclaimed his hit. If he thinks that's the case, then Chez is the best lynch target. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
We do face the possibility of their being multiple roleblockers in this game though since we are all vigilantes. The only evidence to the contrary I would say is that no one apart from Chezinu has claimed being RBed which happened in the same night we could be nearly certain that Gmarshal was RBed. Two conclusions can be drawn from this. There is either 1 RBer, or the mafia are RBing + Killing people to mask their power and increase their kill efficiency, possibly in fear of some sort of methman/zombie killing role they could be aware of. Chezinu is guilty in scenario one, and I doubt scenario two would hold for this many days of no one else claiming RB unless the mafia used that strategy or we coincidentally keep killing their RB candidates. | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On December 29 2011 19:20 syllogism wrote: Sheth: That's not "proof" at all, but I agree with L being the safest lynch today ##vote L Yea it sounded great in my head initially, and I still think its the greatest percentage though. That was something you taught me, just to go with what you think is the simplest thing and it probably is. ##Unvote RebirthofLegend ##Vote L | ||
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Ver
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