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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 25 2011 13:01 GMT
#1021
Actually I was a little bit wrong, without flips you can narrow it down to insane/sane if you get opposite flips. That's the only case where you can narrow it down to 2. If you get the flips you'll actually know your sanity, though.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 25 2011 13:05 GMT
#1022
All your plan does is basically waste 2 complete days worth of DT checks and potentially vig shots as well, because the only way those people will flip is if we lynch/vig them. And no, a "great majority" of them won't know their sanity based on two flips when their checks were announced beforehand.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 25 2011 13:06 GMT
#1023
Syllo, can you give a specific counter-plan so we can compare the two methods and come to a reasonable conclusion?
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 25 2011 13:08 GMT
#1024
Man, I'm frustrated on how retarded you are being. You can't know your sanity for sure regardless of anything unless you know all framers are dead. You can narrow it down to 2 sanities (sane/insane) if you get 2 different checks regardless of checking into a list or not. Having a list which is likely to have people framed on it works against you having a grasp of your sanity. The longer the games goes on the longer you have for having a correct notion of your sanity. Shooting/lynching 10 players from a list determined early on in the game is not only dumb and more likely to hit town, it's counterproductive for the only purpose this was sugested. You DON'T use vigs to try to determine DTs sanity, you use it to hit mafia. This game has 16 mafia and very likely we NEED vigs to win.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 25 2011 13:10 GMT
#1025
But the whole point is that we ARE using the vigges to hit mafia. These are our 10 best scumreads, not random people we decided to pick to kill.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 25 2011 13:11 GMT
#1026
@Hassybaby This game has too many counter measures to DTs, so no plan is good. DTs real strengh will come later when we have a bunch of checks breadcrumb and flips to tell the sanities apart. The method is to have all DTs breadcrumb their checks regardless and determine their sanity later. Contrary to what BC is saying this does not fuck with town.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 25 2011 13:13 GMT
#1027
Your 10 best scum reads day1 in a 80 player game composed with mostly new people before any clues or any hits/flips/shit to really get a grasp of the situation. Cool.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 25 2011 13:15 GMT
#1028
I'll be back later today, in about 8 hours. I need to sleep. I have break though, so I'm relatively free and will be active. I need to be, anyway.

My current suspicions have already been listed, but I will be adding to them soon. I have some more ideas, I just need to sleep on them and give them some time. As of now it's like 5:15 so staying up longer will probably not be a good idea.

Please everyone, read this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&currentpage=49#962

Tell me if you agree with it, and if you do, please provide scum reads.

Even if you don't agree with it, please provide scum reads. If you don't agree with it, tell me why and outline what makes the plan bad.

If you have ways of improving the idea, go ahead and post them.

Until tomorrow, good night everyone!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 13:21 GMT
#1029
On November 25 2011 22:13 sandroba wrote:
Your 10 best scum reads day1 in a 80 player game composed with mostly new people before any clues or any hits/flips/shit to really get a grasp of the situation. Cool.


How can someone who consistently finds scum on day 1 be this opposed to the notion of scumhunting on day 1?
Computer says mafia
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 25 2011 13:26 GMT
#1030
Gonna go get a baguette and a milkshake, back in about 30 mins!
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
November 25 2011 13:28 GMT
#1031
There are 2 very obvious opposing factions in this mayoral race, and within one of them has to be a minimum of a couple of scum.

Faction 1 is Palmar, WBG, and their supporters.

Faction 2 is Sandro, prplzpzl, and their supporters.

Although my current vote is on Palmar, I don't like how he and WBG interact with each other. For a day 1 they're already interacting together as a team. There's only one team at the moment. I'm watching you.
"I think...now? No rival. Me world champion. Yeah. None rival." - oGsMC
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 25 2011 13:29 GMT
#1032
On November 25 2011 22:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:13 sandroba wrote:
Your 10 best scum reads day1 in a 80 player game composed with mostly new people before any clues or any hits/flips/shit to really get a grasp of the situation. Cool.


How can someone who consistently finds scum on day 1 be this opposed to the notion of scumhunting on day 1?

Where do I say I'm opposed to it? Quote me on that one.
I'm saying that 10 scum reads day 1 is as unreliable as you can get. Do you dissagree? Do you think this plan is optimal?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 13:33 GMT
#1033
On November 25 2011 22:05 syllogism wrote:
All your plan does is basically waste 2 complete days worth of DT checks and potentially vig shots as well, because the only way those people will flip is if we lynch/vig them. And no, a "great majority" of them won't know their sanity based on two flips when their checks were announced beforehand.


Am I wrong in saying that no matter what happens, the DT needs a flip or two to confirm his sanity? Yes, we're risking framers, but with increasing the size of the list, that chance will be diminished.

The benefits of the plan is threefold:

a) We offer our DTs sensible checks on night one, based on analysis

b) We offer our DTs targets that have a higher chance than average of dying, due to the plan

c) We create very focused discussion on several specific targets. Remember, no one is getting put on the list unless someone in town creates an analysis on that player.




Current candidates for the DT list:


Player: youngminii
Accuser: Palmar
Analysis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12442782
Vetos: None
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 13:34 GMT
#1034
On November 25 2011 22:29 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 22:21 Palmar wrote:
On November 25 2011 22:13 sandroba wrote:
Your 10 best scum reads day1 in a 80 player game composed with mostly new people before any clues or any hits/flips/shit to really get a grasp of the situation. Cool.


How can someone who consistently finds scum on day 1 be this opposed to the notion of scumhunting on day 1?

Where do I say I'm opposed to it? Quote me on that one.
I'm saying that 10 scum reads day 1 is as unreliable as you can get. Do you dissagree? Do you think this plan is optimal?


What's the alternative?

I think the plan gives us focus, I think it allows us to force people to play optimally.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 13:41 GMT
#1035
Btw, we really need people to step it up and do analysis, please figure out who is scum, and post a case regarding that person. Don't be afraid of doing it if you're new, worst case scenario is that you're wrong.




Current candidates for the DT list:


Player: youngminii
Accuser: Palmar
Analysis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12442782
Vetos: None
Computer says mafia
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
November 25 2011 13:46 GMT
#1036
Sorry for my complete inactivity, especially when I pushed a campaign on being active etc (lol).

I will post something longer in a short while
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
November 25 2011 13:47 GMT
#1037
Soon(tm)
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
November 25 2011 14:02 GMT
#1038

On November 25 2011 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?


Why has nobody said anything more about this?
"I think...now? No rival. Me world champion. Yeah. None rival." - oGsMC
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
November 25 2011 14:05 GMT
#1039
Going well there Erandorr, especially with the TMed Soon.... ><.

I am very supportive of WBG plan on the top of page 49 and seeing as Palmer's is extremely active and supporting WBG plan, my vote is currently leading that way.
I personally believe that Palmer has the experience and activity to lead us very well the only thing I worry about is his success rate of being a mafia that was pointed out way back at the start but no one else has called him out on that in a while and he seems very unscummy atm so meh.

Gonna be more active now reading the past 25 pages in one sitting was obviously a pleasent experience....

Palmer for Mayor!
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 25 2011 14:07 GMT
#1040
On November 25 2011 23:02 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Show nested quote +

On November 25 2011 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?


Why has nobody said anything more about this?


Because while the intentions are good, Jackal is trying to abuse out of game mechanics. That's cheating.
Computer says mafia
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