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On August 04 2013 04:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Gotard's vote totally fucked up where I thought this game was going....so much for them working together like it seemed imo. Time to reevaluate.
My suspicions remain on usami for now, but I'm going to go back and do some reevaluating
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I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do
Anyway, more to come
Well, that is a textbook case of WIFOM. See what if they know this and post that to discourage the theory.
Still, check again all u want.
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On August 04 2013 04:35 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Gotard's vote totally fucked up where I thought this game was going....so much for them working together like it seemed imo. Time to reevaluate.
My suspicions remain on usami for now, but I'm going to go back and do some reevaluating
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I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do
Anyway, more to come Well, that is a textbook case of WIFOM. See what if they know this and post that to discourage the theory. Still, check again all u want.
True. More important if he sticks with it if pressure continues to mount on umasi
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Let's talk about DeusXmachina:
While his day 1 strategy might seem a bit risky as a whole. Consider that he could have changed his mind many times throughout. Since most people agreed on reps being lynched, he could simply carry on.
His inital reasons however, were very weak and almost nonsensical.
On July 31 2013 11:34 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 11:16 Holyflare wrote:
Hold up there skippy, while yes, he has been somewhat repetitive, the day is young; he is after all new. I AM interested to hear his replies to the questions you have raised though.
Yes but why does he insist on emphasizing that he is new to this game. Everyone is a noob here yet he has called attention to his noobieness more than anyone else. His repetition means something. He is scum.
reps said he was a newbie only twice after the game started. Might seem excessive but hardly a sure sign of scum as he claims.
He also said this:
On August 01 2013 08:09 DeusXmachina wrote:
Also a message to anyone hesitant about voting reps:
I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought.
Simply not true. He said it once.
On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A: This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above.
Effectivly saying "I'm not maffia" in the bolded paragraph.
He says he went after him aggressive very early simply for pressure, but he was VERY insistant on lynching him later in day 1.
On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote:
It is in our best interest to lynch someone day 1.
On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote:
That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point.
On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote:
Like holy said, lets lynch him already. He is not an asset. If we are going to lynch anyone day one lets make it scummy scummy reps.
On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote:
Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that.
He continually says it's ok if reps is town.
On July 31 2013 12:22 DeusXmachina wrote:
Umasi before I called out reps there was hardly any valuable information that we could use so far. Putting myself under so much attention is NOT a scum thing to do. Furthermore, my accusation of reps has prompted a lot of discussion. I agree my first posts could have been more meaningful, however that is hardly scum worthy. I even express my disdain of scum in my first post. Furthermore, why is fishing for responses a bad thing? It gets people talking that that is what we want. Finally, I was a little alarmed by Alakaslam announcing his role so quickly.
That was part of his response when someone called him suspicious on day1, why would a town ever say that? Seems like that should only come from a rushed scum response to me.
POST reps lynching
On August 02 2013 05:20 DeusXmachina wrote:Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum. Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote:
Since Alakaslam and Umasi probably are not mafia now(or are taking on a mafia playstyle of the joker), can I please ask you to be more succint in your posts and not spam every single one of your thougts. I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two.
Says he got what WE wanted (obv we didnt want him to flip town).
Says he will spending a lot of time looking at Umasi (he doesnt, more on that later).
I should probably ease up on the quoting since this is getting LONG.
He spends 10 posts defending umasi, claiming his vote switch was a town move.
Remember this post?
On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote:
Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that.
So apparently it makes Alakaslam look scummy but not Umasi.
Remember his claims of umasai being somewhat scummy? He said he would take a good look at him later.
With a single quote from a mafia guide he simplay abandoned that:
"On the survival side, mafia generally try to blend in. The easiest job for the mafia is when they get to sit and watch the town kill themselves, as townies have a natural inclination to kill people who stick out in the crowd." - A General Guide To Mafia by Incognito.
Conviniently this quote also says he himself is not scum.
So he gives up on Umasi and tries to push RDO instead, who is voting for Umasi this day.
Summary: I now firmly believe DeusX and Umasi are scum. I will throw my vote on DeusX since that is my most firm belief, can consolidate to Umasi later if need be for lynch since thats almost a guarantee if I'm right anyway.
##vote DeusXmachina
Should be a fun read later tonight 
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I guess if you want to see all my posts just look at Zyrre's latest post. Don't even bother using that filter button. Zyrre, would you rather have me not abide by that quote as a possible way to find scum?
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Zyrre why did you decided to sheep reps if deus' behavior was scummy?
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Just caught up on the thread... honestly guys, what in the buttslapping fuck is going on here?
TIL I love and hate the game mafia. It feels like my brain is wrapped in barbed wire, but I love it! mwahahaah
...first things first:
On August 03 2013 08:14 infii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:50 Umasi wrote:
infii, did you even read the message I linked? The entire reason I unvoted is BECAUSE of what I thought of reps and you.
It was not clear that reps was going to be lynched, here's why:
If it were clear, then people wouldn't get angry at me for endangering the lynch. and the entire point behind my reasoning is that I'd have preferred a no lynch than a reps lynch. Yes I read your post. What I was trying to ask is: why did you unvote reps specifically at that time so close before lynch? What did you hope to accomplish by this? As you stated reps convinced you to swap to a possible no-lynch with this argument: "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." I just can't get my mind around how that sentence can change an opinion at all, and like I said, especially at that time.
Umasi, you still did not answer my question.
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This is what I think is going on:
Umasi and Gotard: Both scum OR just one of them is scum.
If both scum
- pre lynch, existing connection between them, none took a stand against each other, which makes sense
- after lynch, suspicion on them went over the top, they decide that it's probably better to break the connection from a town viewpoint, and start accusing each over (gotard voted umasi, umasi's analysis stated that gotard is pretty much scum)
- if one gets lynched, the other one is pretty much free of suspicion because they took a stand against each other after lynch (which was already stated by someone)
If one of them is scum
- pre lynch, no connection between them, none took a stand against each other, which would be pure coincidence
- after lynch, with the fingers pointed at them, both take a stand against each other but only gotard specifically focuses only on umasi, while umasi did also analyse other possible scumreads with the conclusion, that gotard is the most scummy one.
Umasi's behaviour looks much more pro-town than gotard's. But that could also be just good scum play.
- the lynch will pretty much be 50/50 for flipping red, it doesn't even matter who gets voted.
As for my gut feeling I'm leaning slightly more towards gotard. We can still continue to interrogate Umasi on the next day, also I want a full-out defense from gotard.
##vote gotard
PS.: interesting post is coming up in couple minutes from me
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VOTE COUNT:
Gotard (1): Alakaslam, infi
Umasi (2): RDaneelOlivaw, Gotard
sc_a.M (1): Umasi
DeusXmachina (1): Zyrre
Deadline is in ~ 23 hours. With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Currently no one is set to be lynched!
Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here.
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##vote no lynch ;best lynch
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On August 04 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
I guess if you want to see all my posts just look at Zyrre's latest post. Don't even bother using that filter button. Zyrre, would you rather have me not abide by that quote as a possible way to find scum?
The quote about mafia playstyle? It's a statement about how MOST mafia will play, so only a general guideline. You should factor it in of course, it simply means less blending in = less likely to be mafia.
You however, had several posts stating you are suspicious of Usami, went on to say you will look in to him more deeply and then disregarded it all with that quote alone.
On August 04 2013 05:44 Gotard wrote:
Zyrre why did you decided to sheep reps if deus' behavior was scummy?
I guess I overlooked it a bit, it all sounded reasonable at the time. As you can see in my earlier posts, I was unsure of him but didn't think having him alive was too dangerous(he was posting a lot so high possibility of making mistakes if he is mafia, he was giving a few pieces of good advice etc).
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On August 04 2013 06:11 sc_a.M wrote:
##vote no lynch ;best lynch
Jesus sc_a.M, can you at least try to write something if you are gonna play this game?
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On August 04 2013 02:15 Nightcat99 wrote:Ok my stand so far. [...] Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 05:29 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Umasi: still a dick move to switch vote and afk.
Drop infi, that's all I'm going to say. Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 03:59 StiMaDDict wrote:
infi played shitty. There is no real way I can defend him, other than the fact that you HAVE to trust me.
Orginially i through you two were mason brothers because of these 2 post but hten i reread your filter and saw the next line. Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 02:34 StiMaDDict wrote:
I drop my suspicion on infi completely. This means you are not mason, so stim trusting you is not enough, i want to know why you are so sure. [...]
wat...
... wait... WHAT?
First: My head still hurts thinking about why these posts from stim went completely under the radar. Only explanation I could come up with: town didn't really bother or skipped his posts (at least some of town), scum read it but kept silent for their advantage, so they could plot a lynch on one of us to then also murder the other one at night. This would be worst case scenario for mason.
At first I thought people would interrogate stim why he did trust me so much all of a sudden with no evidence or argument, but nothing happened...
Because I don't want the scum team to have an advantage on this topic, I will announce that stim and I are mason.
I already knew I had to do this earlier than I wanted, because of stim's unofficial confirmation of us being mason before lynch and because everyone kept silent on it. Also stim is not really helpful and inactive, even in QT.
And then nightcat's post just blew my mind.
Now on to nightcat:
You do realize that your quotes are in reverse choronlogical order, right?
But even if you read
On August 02 2013 02:34 StiMaDDict wrote:
I drop my suspicion on infi completely.
after the other two first quotes you posted. Why in the hell would that confirm us not to be mason? (even with the wrong timeline you posted)
I read scum all over your face now nightcat.
The good side on this reveal though is, that if stim or I will get murdered, the other one will be confirmed town for at least one day.
Since I'm pretty much all in now, ask away anything regarding my connection with stim if you need further confirmation.
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On August 04 2013 06:11 sc_a.M wrote:
##vote no lynch ;best lynch
Can we vote to kick him?
This is leading nowhere...
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Is it possible to replace sc_a.M or modkill (ban) sc_a.M at this point? He doesn't even play.
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On August 04 2013 06:11 sc_a.M wrote:
##vote no lynch ;best lynch
Dude I have no read past this my eyes bleed we lynch tomorrow 100% barring better target
Wowiwowowowowiwo
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infii- what was with the earlier suspicion that he displayed with regards to you? I can understand treating you with standard suspicion, and I can understand cooperating with you, but such an obvious
From pressing you hard to "trust him hes town I swear"
If you two were working together I want to hear the explanation behind that play. I've been inclined to think you 2 are masons but that play is one of the things holding me back
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Agree with Gotard on this actually. vote modkill scam? He's had his chance
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On August 04 2013 07:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
infii- what was with the earlier suspicion that he displayed with regards to you? I can understand treating you with standard suspicion, and I can understand cooperating with you, but such an obvious
From pressing you hard to "trust him hes town I swear"
If you two were working together I want to hear the explanation behind that play. I've been inclined to think you 2 are masons but that play is one of the things holding me back
Stim hadn't found the qt yet possibly? Confused miller and mason like I oft do? It is possible
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On August 04 2013 06:41 Gotard wrote:
Is it possible to replace sc_a.M or modkill (ban) sc_a.M at this point? He doesn't even play.
On August 04 2013 07:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Agree with Gotard on this actually. vote modkill scam? He's had his chance
ok ok I have bamcis idea about this that I shall PM the illustrious duo about just don't bother with it anymore
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On August 04 2013 07:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
infii- what was with the earlier suspicion that he displayed with regards to you? I can understand treating you with standard suspicion, and I can understand cooperating with you, but such an obvious
From pressing you hard to "trust him hes town I swear"
If you two were working together I want to hear the explanation behind that play. I've been inclined to think you 2 are masons but that play is one of the things holding me back
He didn't know how to use the QT until several hours before the lynch.
I contacted a coach and asked what to do, he then got a reminder of the QT from blazing I guess.
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From the OP:
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Don't ask for a replacement or a modkill anymore. If sc_a.M fails to meet the activity requirements or does not play to his win con, the hosting team will decide his punishment.
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