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[MLG] Summer Arena: Draft Review - Page 5

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Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
July 20 2012 18:19 GMT
#81
On July 21 2012 03:16 Champloo wrote:
Man, whoever writes these arcticles for TL definitely doesn't know much about the European scene and is very biased towards Koreans. I really want to enjoy these articles, but it just doesn't work out.


I know the european scene and think there are no "big" mistakes in there. Which points are throwing you off?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 20 2012 18:23 GMT
#82
On July 20 2012 08:21 Dexington wrote:
Illusion has beaten Ryung before, at IPL4, has he not?


No, but sheth certainly did
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
July 20 2012 18:24 GMT
#83
+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry GoOdy! You're the sacrifice here.



LOL
<3 bw
iDrone
Profile Joined December 2010
United States176 Posts
July 20 2012 18:31 GMT
#84
does waxangel have to be so...critical? I know, your beloved esport is fading before your very own eyes, but seriously dude.
The way you talk frequently talk about players is I think pretty harsh. What gives you the right? Besides jerking off TL x years ago when you got this gig?
Do you even have 100 games played off sc2? I would own you in any best of series and I have no idea how much you play, just that you are retarded for the way you pretend to know about players. All you have is the fact sheets and you just throw an opinion along with it; quite sad coming from such an esteemed TL.
You think they would be able to find someone who is actually passionate. Not a burnt out old fart who is completely groggy and delusional, at best.
Toodles!

User was temp banned for this post.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
July 20 2012 18:41 GMT
#85
is "2 immo rush" the new equivalent of pvz?
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Dac
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada538 Posts
July 20 2012 18:48 GMT
#86
You have some formatting problems at #14-15-16

Cheers. I hope Sase and Sephano win it all. Sase with the harder braket ;-(.
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 19:05:59
July 20 2012 18:59 GMT
#87
On July 20 2012 08:27 Borsti wrote:
If Stephano would choose Goody ... that would be kinda BM wouldn't it?


I hate how people always under rate GoOdy. He beat Stephano in the Battle of Berlin and lost to Nerchio in the finals. If you made that statement about Nerchio vs GoOdy then I would say you are right - he's beat GoOdy in something like 14 consecutive times in tournament matches. Nerchio is to GoOdy like GoOdy is to Cloud (of course Cloud never wins vs GoOdy is my point).
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
July 20 2012 18:59 GMT
#88
Pretty accurate TL I must say ^^ A lot of them being entirely correct and in many other cases the player have chosen another player of that race.

Some picks are also really weird, like Sortof, I have no idea why he would pick First. He is known as an ZvZ expert (for good reasons) and zerg has overall good results against terran... and then somehow he chooses a top Korean Protoss...



"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 20 2012 19:05 GMT
#89
Seems whomever wrote the post draft is still living in 2011 where every tournament was top 15 Korean. Hey TL you might want to look up the last 5 months of tournament.

The attitude l8tly on these forums remind me about the Iraqi Infomation minister!

[image loading]
WE ARE STILL GETTING TOP 15 IN EVERY TOURNAMENT.
WE JUST GOT BAD LUCK AND BAD MAPS!
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
July 20 2012 19:15 GMT
#90
It's funny that it turns out that there is only 1 mirror matchup xD
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 20 2012 19:22 GMT
#91
On July 21 2012 03:59 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Pretty accurate TL I must say ^^ A lot of them being entirely correct and in many other cases the player have chosen another player of that race.

Some picks are also really weird, like Sortof, I have no idea why he would pick First. He is known as an ZvZ expert (for good reasons) and zerg has overall good results against terran... and then somehow he chooses a top Korean Protoss...

I agree, I don't know why the article gets so much criticism.
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
July 20 2012 19:26 GMT
#92
Very impressed with the results of the draft. I loved the write ups as well. I'd like to point out, under the Stephano section, you refer to his ZvP as ZvT twice in a row. Just a small typo.
BwCBlueBox.837
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
July 20 2012 19:44 GMT
#93
I love how the writer shits all over Sasquatch. If you followed the scene beyond tournament streams and the Day9 Daily, you'd realize that he is the next Scarlett to come out of the NA scene. But hey, ignorance is bliss, right?
Keytar
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada156 Posts
July 20 2012 19:45 GMT
#94
For how hard it is to get them all right when even one player deviating from your predictions screws the whole thing up, this was fairly close to what happened. I'm really impressed by your accuracy.
I try to be rage-free as I game. As you can imagine, this is difficult.
Eko200
Profile Joined December 2010
United States101 Posts
July 20 2012 19:50 GMT
#95
I'm calling it here, QXC is going to beat Stephano. He has time to prepare for him, he has all killed a Korean team, and Stephano probably won't prepare for QXC specifically.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 21:07:19
July 20 2012 20:06 GMT
#96
Stephano picking Goody would have been terrible, he lost his last series vs him when he was godly in ZvT. Goody's style is pretty good vs stephano and they have pretty even record against each other.
Primal666
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovenia418 Posts
July 20 2012 20:07 GMT
#97
it will be fun to see if any ''picked'' players will beat their pickers:D
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
July 20 2012 20:15 GMT
#98
On July 21 2012 04:22 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 03:59 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Pretty accurate TL I must say ^^ A lot of them being entirely correct and in many other cases the player have chosen another player of that race.

Some picks are also really weird, like Sortof, I have no idea why he would pick First. He is known as an ZvZ expert (for good reasons) and zerg has overall good results against terran... and then somehow he chooses a top Korean Protoss...

I agree, I don't know why the article gets so much criticism.


Yep I also agree. I dont follow every playhem or other smaller cups, but I think I have pretty good knowledge of the eu scene and there arent any big flaws in it. Ofc there is always room for discussion.
But I love the writeups. This and the power rankings are my favourite content on tl. Keep it up !!!
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
July 20 2012 20:26 GMT
#99
On July 21 2012 04:44 chadissilent wrote:
I love how the writer shits all over Sasquatch. If you followed the scene beyond tournament streams and the Day9 Daily, you'd realize that he is the next Scarlett to come out of the NA scene. But hey, ignorance is bliss, right?


Well, compare Sasquatch to the other 15 picked players. He's unrecognizable, and the second I saw him matched to Alicia, I sighed inside. Fact is, if you aren't making a splash in the scene within popular tournament streams, you're going to be sniped by the best.

If you have any Sasquatch VODs, I'd love to see how well he plays. He'd easily stomp both of us, but do you think he's really in the leagues of Alicia, SaSe, or PuMa?
BwCBlueBox.837
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 20:55:04
July 20 2012 20:54 GMT
#100
On July 21 2012 05:26 BlueBoxSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 04:44 chadissilent wrote:
I love how the writer shits all over Sasquatch. If you followed the scene beyond tournament streams and the Day9 Daily, you'd realize that he is the next Scarlett to come out of the NA scene. But hey, ignorance is bliss, right?


Well, compare Sasquatch to the other 15 picked players. He's unrecognizable, and the second I saw him matched to Alicia, I sighed inside. Fact is, if you aren't making a splash in the scene within popular tournament streams, you're going to be sniped by the best.

If you have any Sasquatch VODs, I'd love to see how well he plays. He'd easily stomp both of us, but do you think he's really in the leagues of Alicia, SaSe, or PuMa?


Man no offense to Scarlett, but when you use her as an example of someone good to compare to, it just seems silly. Because the NA scene is really dead. I'd love for anyone in the NA to have a shot at Code A but that boat has sailed many moons ago.

The logic for when you're trying to show someone being "good" should be:

1. Will that person do well in code A (make it past code B qual, then make it past Ro48)?
If yes, do that.
If no, that person is no good.

Sucks the level of competition is so high, but code A really should be the bottom bar for "good". Considering we have at least 32 top class players ahead of that bar already.

-edit oops was referring to the embedded quote, not the one I quote
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