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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
March 03 2012 19:18 GMT
#9901
On March 04 2012 04:15 SerpentFlame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:07 hacklebeast wrote:
On March 04 2012 03:46 Squarewalker wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Most of the season goes by, and only now do we get a fluttershy episode, only to have her act the exact opposite of fluttershy. One more chance for a real fluttershy episode I guess.

+ Show Spoiler +
She was her old self for a bit less than the entire first half of the episode. Also I, for one, hope that she'll actually keep the character development in later episodes and will stand up to herself every now and then while still being in character.

I like how Jayson Thiessen promised that some character developments will be kept (this one would be interesting to be one of those), while in other cases the characters might be back to square one again, just like how many humans don't learn from their mistakes either.

+ Show Spoiler +

1/3rd of one episode out of the first 19 is not enough. I think she has literally had more screen time this season being a jerk rather than, well, being fluttershy. Or at least it's a lot closer than it should be.

And I don't think character development is necessarily good. You need character development when there are only a few main characters, and the same unchanging characters over multiple seasons would get stagnant. But when you have 6 main characters + 3 others to draw from, and can make any combination of them you want, stagnation isn't an issue. If character developments mean small self references like RD reading a book that's cool, but actual personality changes are unnecessary.

Also I'm still bitter about derpy. Having a slow pony on camera is too offensive, but taking advantage of a nerd pony (who's appearance is far more stereotypical than even wall eyed derpy) and then laughing about it is fine? Really?

Amy Keating Roger's comments on the Derpy Change (in case you haven't seen this already)

Saw it, doesn't change the fact that I'm bitter about it. Unless you want to point out specifically what in there should make me not bitter.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 20:14:53
March 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#9902
On March 04 2012 03:58 Soleron wrote:
Worst episode 0/10

I said if any more + Show Spoiler +
Williams eps
were made I would quit ponies so I won't be watching the show streams any more.

Aside from the heat of the moment, do you think that's really fair? All of her scripts of the season were locked in far before anyone had a chance to get audience feedback of the new writer's style.

Given that she just had an episode, and that a rookie would probably not be involved in the two-part finale, the odds of yet one of the four others falling to her seem low. Frankly, I see no further cause for concern.

On March 04 2012 04:07 hacklebeast wrote:
Also I'm still bitter about derpy. Having a slow pony on camera is too offensive, but taking advantage of a nerd pony (who's appearance is far more stereotypical than even wall eyed derpy) and then laughing about it is fine? Really?

What actually is or isn't offensive doesn't matter in the slightest. Poisoning an uninvolved person against an idea is scarily easy even without pulling their child into it. The writer was used. This has nothing to do with Hasbro or any of us.
LittleJoeRambler
Profile Joined November 2011
110 Posts
March 03 2012 20:06 GMT
#9903
Not a bad episode. Not in my top ten of the season I don't think, but pretty fun and overall enjoyable.
Ickyness is often a side-effect of hard work. But y'all need to get over it.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
March 03 2012 20:18 GMT
#9904
+ Show Spoiler +
Iron Will is probably my favorite minor villain, which is surprising how much I enjoyed Flim and Flam. He's just so wonderfully hammy.

Oh, and wall-eyed Derpy is back.
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Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 03 2012 20:19 GMT
#9905
+ Show Spoiler +
That little rabbit is such a dick.
And the episode was seriously AWESOME! My second favorite after Rarity with her sister.
It was like seeing flutterbitch again.
Insanely awesome episode.
maru lover forever
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 20:34:34
March 03 2012 20:29 GMT
#9906
On March 04 2012 04:50 FnF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 03:58 Soleron wrote:
Worst episode 0/10

I said if any more + Show Spoiler +
Williams eps
were made I would quit ponies so I won't be watching the show streams any more.

Aside from the heat of the moment, do you think that's really fair? All of her scripts of the season were locked in far before anyone had a chance to get audience feedback of the new writer's style.

Given that she just had an episode, and that a rookie would probably not be involved in the two-part finale, the odds of yet one of the four others falling to her seem low. Frankly, I see no further cause for concern.


Yes it's fair. The show cannot be redeemed. Goodbye tlponies this is my last post.
FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
March 03 2012 20:39 GMT
#9907
On March 04 2012 05:29 Soleron wrote:
Yes it's fair. The show cannot be redeemed. Goodbye tlponies this is my last post.

Snap out of it, dude. You're just making a fool of yourself.
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
March 03 2012 20:40 GMT
#9908
On March 04 2012 05:29 Soleron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:50 FnF wrote:
On March 04 2012 03:58 Soleron wrote:
Worst episode 0/10

I said if any more + Show Spoiler +
Williams eps
were made I would quit ponies so I won't be watching the show streams any more.

Aside from the heat of the moment, do you think that's really fair? All of her scripts of the season were locked in far before anyone had a chance to get audience feedback of the new writer's style.

Given that she just had an episode, and that a rookie would probably not be involved in the two-part finale, the odds of yet one of the four others falling to her seem low. Frankly, I see no further cause for concern.


Yes it's fair. The show cannot be redeemed. Goodbye tlponies this is my last post.



I think it's pretty shallow to completely abandon the show because you didn't like one episode. But whatever, if that's your decision so be it.
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
March 03 2012 21:28 GMT
#9909
On March 04 2012 05:29 Soleron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:50 FnF wrote:
On March 04 2012 03:58 Soleron wrote:
Worst episode 0/10

I said if any more + Show Spoiler +
Williams eps
were made I would quit ponies so I won't be watching the show streams any more.

Aside from the heat of the moment, do you think that's really fair? All of her scripts of the season were locked in far before anyone had a chance to get audience feedback of the new writer's style.

Given that she just had an episode, and that a rookie would probably not be involved in the two-part finale, the odds of yet one of the four others falling to her seem low. Frankly, I see no further cause for concern.


Yes it's fair. The show cannot be redeemed. Goodbye tlponies this is my last post.


I have my own disappointments bound up in this season and I naturally accepted that my expectations (and the expectations of other fans) would be unrealistic high, but it is still a good show in my view and the episode wasn't strong by my standards, but I still enjoyed it. For you to simply leave after one episode doesn't seem convincing. My guess is that you had already begun to shift away from MLP prior to the airing of this show. This was simply the last straw. I think you just used this episode as an excuse to finalize the separation.

It's too bad to lose people from our fandom, but I can accept that. But for people who do move on or leave, be mature about it. You don't have to burn bridges when you say goodbye. We're not gonna be offended (that much at least) if you say "i don't like this show", we deal with that kind of bullshit every 2 weeks when random people show up and make judgmental comments without thinking.

This basically goes hand in hand with the lesson of today, + Show Spoiler +
that assertive behavior can be achieved through many means, but many of which are negative. Deceit (pinkie pie), seduction (rarity), narcissism (the monster) and aggression (flutterbitch) are all negative means of being assertive. Although the show doesn't explicitly say that, with exception to the aggression, they make the point that the proper way of being assertive is to be firm, constant and complacent (as fluttershy did at the end of the episode), opposed to appealing to more hot seated emotions (the ego).

If you don't like the episode, you don't have to say it in such a negative manner. Go ahead and say it, but your attitude means a lot in how you say it.
JF dodger since 2009
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 21:39:44
March 03 2012 21:39 GMT
#9910
You don't have to burn bridges when you say goodbye.


Good point. Thank you TLponies, it's been nice to be able to talk with you all this time. - solarsail
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-04 19:36:24
March 03 2012 22:03 GMT
#9911
7.5-7.8 / 10
+ Show Spoiler +
Wasn't a huge fan of this episode, one of my least favorites of the entire show.

On an unrelated note, the people complaining that Rarity/Pinkie Pie's behavior was somehow on the same level as Gryphonshy's couldn't be more wrong.

-Rarity used flattery, not seduction. She was completely justified in her message to Fluttershy.
-Pinkypie used wit, not deception. She was completely justified in her message to Fluttershy.
-Fluttershy acted more like a bully (like the Gryphon from Season 1), completely unjustified behavior. There's a huge difference between Gryphonshy and the Assertiveshy at the very end when she was dealing with the Minotaur.

Nonetheless, the general premise of the episode was good, I just really hate how they executed it.
FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
March 03 2012 22:08 GMT
#9912
On March 04 2012 06:39 Soleron wrote:
Show nested quote +
You don't have to burn bridges when you say goodbye.

Good point. Thank you TLponies, it's been nice to be able to talk with you all this time. - solarsail

That's cool. We'll keep a spare seat for once you'll come to learn your own Best Night Ever.
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
March 03 2012 22:25 GMT
#9913
+ Show Spoiler +
I loved the episode, actually laughed out loud at points and worrying that my neighbors would hear. I love when creators of shows with strong fan followings dare to do things everyone won't like. Personally I just love how there's some hidden darkness in a quiet one like Fluttershy - just like we what we got to see at Best night ever.
Parting
GypsyBeast
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada630 Posts
March 03 2012 22:38 GMT
#9914
7.5/10 one of the funnyer episodes out there.
also these:

+ Show Spoiler +
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Ya? Well ill BM you harder! Another win in 10 seconds flat! -Rainbow Dash playing SC2.
ItzShakti
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 23:57:26
March 03 2012 22:52 GMT
#9915
+ Show Spoiler +
I didnt feel this episode was good.They tried too hard.Everypony started acting strangely, overpricing stuff and ect.This ep would be 1/10, but pinkie pie was just amazing, walking in the air and trolling(1 bit, 2 bits, 1 bit, 2 bits, 2 bits, 1 bit).So epic.5.5/10 because of pinkie.
I really like apollo
nohbrows
Profile Joined February 2011
United States653 Posts
March 03 2012 23:24 GMT
#9916
New episode was bad. Barely above the level of Mysterious Mare-Do-Well. Gosh.

5/10.

+ Show Spoiler +
Holy crap another Merriweather Williams episode. Boy. is she bad or what?
The episode had its moments of humor and cuteness. Flutterbitch was adorable (in the way seeing your girlfriend mad at you is adorable...don't take that the wrong way) and Mr. T minotaur was just perfect.

But the writing was terrible. The pacing was bad, the dialogue was cringe worthy, the character development had gone to hell and the ending made me want to punch a wall. Pinkie Pie seemed out of characters at times, to the point where I was wondering why she was saying Rarity's lines. In fact, what the hell was Rarity doing at Sugarcube Corner anyways? There was nothing to establish her presence there. Again, little things that kind of make all of William's writing with this show subpar in my opinion.

Episode followed the same formula used for Mysterious Mare Do Well. Character has a flaw, and then the episodes devolves into one situation after another that are all isolated from each other (breaking story flow). This is followed up by the main character SUDDENLY being put into a situation where her flaw, and her subsequent solution to that flaw, is corrected and all is well again. Like, as one pony said above, it occissilates between one extreme to the other in a really bad way.

It's like bad fanfiction.

Anyways, I can go on forever about what makes William's episodes so bad, and why she is the weakest of the writing staff, and why her episodes are unmemorable, etc etc etc. But that will be for another post.


Also, it's sad to see a Brony leave the fandom. But what can you do about it? :/ Hope you had fun while it lasted!


Seizon Senryaku!
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
March 04 2012 00:52 GMT
#9917
So yeah. There's been a lot of negative reception to this episode today, even resulting in a fan leaving TLponies (IMO a bit extreme, but not my call and I wish them the best on their way.) So today will be the first Bio's Breakdown of a pony episode. (yeah, I'm naming it, get over it =D)

Warning: wall of text incoming. The following is all my personal interpretation, taken from personal head-canon and thoughts. Take it as such.

+ Show Spoiler +

I'll start off by addressing the main complaint about the episode, that it was written by one Merriweather Williams. Personally I have never even looked up the writer of any episode, I feel that if there is a predisposition against the writer in question, IE; because she wrote another episode that people didn't like, that causes people to go into the episode already expecting to dislike it, and it makes it easier for people to nitpick and find things they don't like simply because they already dislike the writer. I personally thought Mare-do-well was a fine episode, certainly not enough to throw around hate for a new writer. You have to keep in mind that the show/dialogue/setting/whatever else for her episodes are NOT all on her, I would believe that everything would go through Faust (season 1) and Jayson (season 2), so there would be more approval from the higher ups in that regard. Try going into the rest of the episodes this season WITHOUT looking up the writer or anything else. You may be pleasantly surprised.

Now, on to the actual episode itself. Finally! A Fluttershy centered episode! The FS fans rejoiced as the opening scene showed that all too familiar cottage. It reminded me of a certain opening scene from back in season 1, namely Dragonshy. Fluttershy feeding all her pets/animals. The main thing that stuck out to me, as continuity goes from Dragonshy to this episode, is that her animals are starting to misbehave as a whole. Before, it was simply Angel (whom I'll get to in a minute) who was the one acting out. Angel was displeased with his food being the same, what looked to be store bought food as the others, and I would imagine that he felt entitled as FS's first and longest pet to a better meal. Now, if you look back to season 1's episodes, there has always been a sort of slapstick element when involving Angel. The punting of his carrot, and stomping around to get FS's attention in Dragonshy, and thumping his leg to get FS to go to Celestia's party in "A bird in the Hoof" That's the way I have always seen the FS - Angel relationship, so the slap wasn't too far extended from normalcy. Now, I believe that it was an extension of the moral of the episode, wherein everyone was taking advantage of FS and she needed to be assertive, Angel was simply used to the recessive, enabling behavior of FS and took advantage of it. Classical Conditioning at its finest. Cue to the market scene and the progression to PP and R convincing FS to get some "Help"

I loved the market scene. There were many slight references/influences here that I enjoyed greatly. PP and her Bugs Bunny acting, the Derpy spotting being disappointing that there was no more sprouts, ect. Tabitha was at her finest here as well, but the focus here was on FS and her character flaw, namely her shyness/nervousness allowing people to take advantage of it. Another complaint I saw about this scene came from the stall vendors. From what I saw, even though Equestria uses a currency system (Bits) it still seems to be early on in its use, where haggling and price adjustment are still on a case to case basis. The shopkeepers here are portrayed here as bad/evil, but the capitalist in me sees someone using supply and demand in their favor against someone who looks to be easy to be taken advantage of (again, back to the moral of the ep.) The cherry salesman had one cherry left, and when supply is low, he can charge high for it, especially when FS even TELLS him that she needs it and would pay whatever it takes to get it for Angel. Heavy focus on her flaw here, but it serves to remind the audience of the stacking nature of the problem. She can't say no to Angel ---> Needs the cherry for the excessive meal ----> is essentially blood in the proverbial water for entrepreneurs trying to make money. I wouldn't be surprised if AJ handled her Apple sales much in the same way.

On to Iron Will. Not much to say here, many people enjoyed the character, as did I. Now, the only reason FS is even here, is because her friends want her to be more assertive. Another character flaw in FS is her wish to please everyone in her life. Now, an "Expert" in self help shows up, and FS reluctantly tries out his ideas/techniques. Many self help guru's use the same type of strategies to help out their clients. Simple, easy to remember oneliners and self empowering statements that can be recalled easily even without the guru around. Unfortunately, the setup for this was NOT assertiveness, but nastiness. FS, who has rarely if ever been assertive, or even confrontational, tried out the guru's suggestion, and at seeing the crowd excited and happy, FS used the techniques she learned in her real life, on people and problems she already had. The result was that she enjoyed having power over ponies, and it made her feel great. Add to that the reinforcement by PP and R at Sugarcube Corner, and the stage was set for a continuation of the "Guru's one liners" in FS's immediate future.

This all came into the climax near the end of the episode where there was conflict between FS and PP - R. By this point, she was completely wrapped up in the mindset of assertive anger and aggressiveness. This scene, while very sad, is something that is very relate-able. I believe that FS always had this inner aggressiveness/dislike buried down, and instead of letting it out, she bottled it up. This episode, however, she let it out, much like her outburst at the GGG. In fact, the parallels between this ep and that one are uncanny, characterization-wise. After the conflict, FS sees her reflection, and finally realizes how she was acting, and immediately regrets it. FS to me is a character of two faces, the nice, domicile FS, and the aggressive, dragon-staring, cockatrice subduing FS. I believe that this episode was meant to make FS take the best from both sides of her personality, The kind, caring side and the assertive, smart, and savvy side of FS we saw at the end of the episode, using what she learned from Iron Will, but adapting it to be less aggressive and more assertive, I.E. more like a healthy "person" should be. I also liked the fact that Iron Will, once outsmarted, was not angry/depressed, instead learned his own lesson from FS, and planned on using that in his next seminar, showing him that his methods, while they may have worked, weren't the best way.

I really enjoyed this episode. I went in, saw the comedy, laughed OUT LOUD at several points, teared up once, and really enjoyed the story told of FS learning to expand her personality and grow as a character. I feel that many of you disliked the episode simply because your favorite pony (FS) was misbehaving/behaving in a way that you felt was OOC, however I disagree, as explained above. She acted well in character, it was just a side of FS we very, very, VERY rarely get to see, and is a part of a good character. This was an EXCELLENT episode. Of course, this is all simply my opinion. You are free to dislike things, and I have no place to say that you aren't allowed to dislike something. What I PERSONALLY dislike, are people disliking or even hating (ugh, that word) things based on silly things like who wrote what episode or things they saw as OOC. Remember, this show is a team effort. If there were things you disliked in this episode, it's not ONE person's fault. Thanks for reading, if you made it this far, I ♥ all of you guys =D


Also, I love the fact that a children's cartoon can invoke this kind of thought provoking discussion out of me. It's a refreshing change of pace!
Bio - Breaking it down
LittleJoeRambler
Profile Joined November 2011
110 Posts
March 04 2012 01:33 GMT
#9918
On March 04 2012 09:52 BioSC wrote:
So yeah. There's been a lot of negative reception to this episode today, even resulting in a fan leaving TLponies (IMO a bit extreme, but not my call and I wish them the best on their way.) So today will be the first Bio's Breakdown of a pony episode. (yeah, I'm naming it, get over it =D)

Warning: wall of text incoming. The following is all my personal interpretation, taken from personal head-canon and thoughts. Take it as such.

+ Show Spoiler +

I'll start off by addressing the main complaint about the episode, that it was written by one Merriweather Williams. Personally I have never even looked up the writer of any episode, I feel that if there is a predisposition against the writer in question, IE; because she wrote another episode that people didn't like, that causes people to go into the episode already expecting to dislike it, and it makes it easier for people to nitpick and find things they don't like simply because they already dislike the writer. I personally thought Mare-do-well was a fine episode, certainly not enough to throw around hate for a new writer. You have to keep in mind that the show/dialogue/setting/whatever else for her episodes are NOT all on her, I would believe that everything would go through Faust (season 1) and Jayson (season 2), so there would be more approval from the higher ups in that regard. Try going into the rest of the episodes this season WITHOUT looking up the writer or anything else. You may be pleasantly surprised.

Now, on to the actual episode itself. Finally! A Fluttershy centered episode! The FS fans rejoiced as the opening scene showed that all too familiar cottage. It reminded me of a certain opening scene from back in season 1, namely Dragonshy. Fluttershy feeding all her pets/animals. The main thing that stuck out to me, as continuity goes from Dragonshy to this episode, is that her animals are starting to misbehave as a whole. Before, it was simply Angel (whom I'll get to in a minute) who was the one acting out. Angel was displeased with his food being the same, what looked to be store bought food as the others, and I would imagine that he felt entitled as FS's first and longest pet to a better meal. Now, if you look back to season 1's episodes, there has always been a sort of slapstick element when involving Angel. The punting of his carrot, and stomping around to get FS's attention in Dragonshy, and thumping his leg to get FS to go to Celestia's party in "A bird in the Hoof" That's the way I have always seen the FS - Angel relationship, so the slap wasn't too far extended from normalcy. Now, I believe that it was an extension of the moral of the episode, wherein everyone was taking advantage of FS and she needed to be assertive, Angel was simply used to the recessive, enabling behavior of FS and took advantage of it. Classical Conditioning at its finest. Cue to the market scene and the progression to PP and R convincing FS to get some "Help"

I loved the market scene. There were many slight references/influences here that I enjoyed greatly. PP and her Bugs Bunny acting, the Derpy spotting being disappointing that there was no more sprouts, ect. Tabitha was at her finest here as well, but the focus here was on FS and her character flaw, namely her shyness/nervousness allowing people to take advantage of it. Another complaint I saw about this scene came from the stall vendors. From what I saw, even though Equestria uses a currency system (Bits) it still seems to be early on in its use, where haggling and price adjustment are still on a case to case basis. The shopkeepers here are portrayed here as bad/evil, but the capitalist in me sees someone using supply and demand in their favor against someone who looks to be easy to be taken advantage of (again, back to the moral of the ep.) The cherry salesman had one cherry left, and when supply is low, he can charge high for it, especially when FS even TELLS him that she needs it and would pay whatever it takes to get it for Angel. Heavy focus on her flaw here, but it serves to remind the audience of the stacking nature of the problem. She can't say no to Angel ---> Needs the cherry for the excessive meal ----> is essentially blood in the proverbial water for entrepreneurs trying to make money. I wouldn't be surprised if AJ handled her Apple sales much in the same way.

On to Iron Will. Not much to say here, many people enjoyed the character, as did I. Now, the only reason FS is even here, is because her friends want her to be more assertive. Another character flaw in FS is her wish to please everyone in her life. Now, an "Expert" in self help shows up, and FS reluctantly tries out his ideas/techniques. Many self help guru's use the same type of strategies to help out their clients. Simple, easy to remember oneliners and self empowering statements that can be recalled easily even without the guru around. Unfortunately, the setup for this was NOT assertiveness, but nastiness. FS, who has rarely if ever been assertive, or even confrontational, tried out the guru's suggestion, and at seeing the crowd excited and happy, FS used the techniques she learned in her real life, on people and problems she already had. The result was that she enjoyed having power over ponies, and it made her feel great. Add to that the reinforcement by PP and R at Sugarcube Corner, and the stage was set for a continuation of the "Guru's one liners" in FS's immediate future.

This all came into the climax near the end of the episode where there was conflict between FS and PP - R. By this point, she was completely wrapped up in the mindset of assertive anger and aggressiveness. This scene, while very sad, is something that is very relate-able. I believe that FS always had this inner aggressiveness/dislike buried down, and instead of letting it out, she bottled it up. This episode, however, she let it out, much like her outburst at the GGG. In fact, the parallels between this ep and that one are uncanny, characterization-wise. After the conflict, FS sees her reflection, and finally realizes how she was acting, and immediately regrets it. FS to me is a character of two faces, the nice, domicile FS, and the aggressive, dragon-staring, cockatrice subduing FS. I believe that this episode was meant to make FS take the best from both sides of her personality, The kind, caring side and the assertive, smart, and savvy side of FS we saw at the end of the episode, using what she learned from Iron Will, but adapting it to be less aggressive and more assertive, I.E. more like a healthy "person" should be. I also liked the fact that Iron Will, once outsmarted, was not angry/depressed, instead learned his own lesson from FS, and planned on using that in his next seminar, showing him that his methods, while they may have worked, weren't the best way.

I really enjoyed this episode. I went in, saw the comedy, laughed OUT LOUD at several points, teared up once, and really enjoyed the story told of FS learning to expand her personality and grow as a character. I feel that many of you disliked the episode simply because your favorite pony (FS) was misbehaving/behaving in a way that you felt was OOC, however I disagree, as explained above. She acted well in character, it was just a side of FS we very, very, VERY rarely get to see, and is a part of a good character. This was an EXCELLENT episode. Of course, this is all simply my opinion. You are free to dislike things, and I have no place to say that you aren't allowed to dislike something. What I PERSONALLY dislike, are people disliking or even hating (ugh, that word) things based on silly things like who wrote what episode or things they saw as OOC. Remember, this show is a team effort. If there were things you disliked in this episode, it's not ONE person's fault. Thanks for reading, if you made it this far, I ♥ all of you guys =D


Also, I love the fact that a children's cartoon can invoke this kind of thought provoking discussion out of me. It's a refreshing change of pace!


I feel the same way about Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000. Thought provoking cartoons rule.
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March 04 2012 01:56 GMT
#9919
This show has the darndest fanservice...

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Profile Blog Joined July 2008
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Last Edited: 2012-03-04 02:10:02
March 04 2012 01:57 GMT
#9920
On March 04 2012 09:52 BioSC wrote:
So yeah. There's been a lot of negative reception to this episode today, even resulting in a fan leaving TLponies (IMO a bit extreme, but not my call and I wish them the best on their way.) So today will be the first Bio's Breakdown of a pony episode. (yeah, I'm naming it, get over it =D)

Warning: wall of text incoming. The following is all my personal interpretation, taken from personal head-canon and thoughts. Take it as such.

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I'll start off by addressing the main complaint about the episode, that it was written by one Merriweather Williams. Personally I have never even looked up the writer of any episode, I feel that if there is a predisposition against the writer in question, IE; because she wrote another episode that people didn't like, that causes people to go into the episode already expecting to dislike it, and it makes it easier for people to nitpick and find things they don't like simply because they already dislike the writer. I personally thought Mare-do-well was a fine episode, certainly not enough to throw around hate for a new writer. You have to keep in mind that the show/dialogue/setting/whatever else for her episodes are NOT all on her, I would believe that everything would go through Faust (season 1) and Jayson (season 2), so there would be more approval from the higher ups in that regard. Try going into the rest of the episodes this season WITHOUT looking up the writer or anything else. You may be pleasantly surprised.

Now, on to the actual episode itself. Finally! A Fluttershy centered episode! The FS fans rejoiced as the opening scene showed that all too familiar cottage. It reminded me of a certain opening scene from back in season 1, namely Dragonshy. Fluttershy feeding all her pets/animals. The main thing that stuck out to me, as continuity goes from Dragonshy to this episode, is that her animals are starting to misbehave as a whole. Before, it was simply Angel (whom I'll get to in a minute) who was the one acting out. Angel was displeased with his food being the same, what looked to be store bought food as the others, and I would imagine that he felt entitled as FS's first and longest pet to a better meal. Now, if you look back to season 1's episodes, there has always been a sort of slapstick element when involving Angel. The punting of his carrot, and stomping around to get FS's attention in Dragonshy, and thumping his leg to get FS to go to Celestia's party in "A bird in the Hoof" That's the way I have always seen the FS - Angel relationship, so the slap wasn't too far extended from normalcy. Now, I believe that it was an extension of the moral of the episode, wherein everyone was taking advantage of FS and she needed to be assertive, Angel was simply used to the recessive, enabling behavior of FS and took advantage of it. Classical Conditioning at its finest. Cue to the market scene and the progression to PP and R convincing FS to get some "Help"

I loved the market scene. There were many slight references/influences here that I enjoyed greatly. PP and her Bugs Bunny acting, the Derpy spotting being disappointing that there was no more sprouts, ect. Tabitha was at her finest here as well, but the focus here was on FS and her character flaw, namely her shyness/nervousness allowing people to take advantage of it. Another complaint I saw about this scene came from the stall vendors. From what I saw, even though Equestria uses a currency system (Bits) it still seems to be early on in its use, where haggling and price adjustment are still on a case to case basis. The shopkeepers here are portrayed here as bad/evil, but the capitalist in me sees someone using supply and demand in their favor against someone who looks to be easy to be taken advantage of (again, back to the moral of the ep.) The cherry salesman had one cherry left, and when supply is low, he can charge high for it, especially when FS even TELLS him that she needs it and would pay whatever it takes to get it for Angel. Heavy focus on her flaw here, but it serves to remind the audience of the stacking nature of the problem. She can't say no to Angel ---> Needs the cherry for the excessive meal ----> is essentially blood in the proverbial water for entrepreneurs trying to make money. I wouldn't be surprised if AJ handled her Apple sales much in the same way.

On to Iron Will. Not much to say here, many people enjoyed the character, as did I. Now, the only reason FS is even here, is because her friends want her to be more assertive. Another character flaw in FS is her wish to please everyone in her life. Now, an "Expert" in self help shows up, and FS reluctantly tries out his ideas/techniques. Many self help guru's use the same type of strategies to help out their clients. Simple, easy to remember oneliners and self empowering statements that can be recalled easily even without the guru around. Unfortunately, the setup for this was NOT assertiveness, but nastiness. FS, who has rarely if ever been assertive, or even confrontational, tried out the guru's suggestion, and at seeing the crowd excited and happy, FS used the techniques she learned in her real life, on people and problems she already had. The result was that she enjoyed having power over ponies, and it made her feel great. Add to that the reinforcement by PP and R at Sugarcube Corner, and the stage was set for a continuation of the "Guru's one liners" in FS's immediate future.

This all came into the climax near the end of the episode where there was conflict between FS and PP - R. By this point, she was completely wrapped up in the mindset of assertive anger and aggressiveness. This scene, while very sad, is something that is very relate-able. I believe that FS always had this inner aggressiveness/dislike buried down, and instead of letting it out, she bottled it up. This episode, however, she let it out, much like her outburst at the GGG. In fact, the parallels between this ep and that one are uncanny, characterization-wise. After the conflict, FS sees her reflection, and finally realizes how she was acting, and immediately regrets it. FS to me is a character of two faces, the nice, domicile FS, and the aggressive, dragon-staring, cockatrice subduing FS. I believe that this episode was meant to make FS take the best from both sides of her personality, The kind, caring side and the assertive, smart, and savvy side of FS we saw at the end of the episode, using what she learned from Iron Will, but adapting it to be less aggressive and more assertive, I.E. more like a healthy "person" should be. I also liked the fact that Iron Will, once outsmarted, was not angry/depressed, instead learned his own lesson from FS, and planned on using that in his next seminar, showing him that his methods, while they may have worked, weren't the best way.

I really enjoyed this episode. I went in, saw the comedy, laughed OUT LOUD at several points, teared up once, and really enjoyed the story told of FS learning to expand her personality and grow as a character. I feel that many of you disliked the episode simply because your favorite pony (FS) was misbehaving/behaving in a way that you felt was OOC, however I disagree, as explained above. She acted well in character, it was just a side of FS we very, very, VERY rarely get to see, and is a part of a good character. This was an EXCELLENT episode. Of course, this is all simply my opinion. You are free to dislike things, and I have no place to say that you aren't allowed to dislike something. What I PERSONALLY dislike, are people disliking or even hating (ugh, that word) things based on silly things like who wrote what episode or things they saw as OOC. Remember, this show is a team effort. If there were things you disliked in this episode, it's not ONE person's fault. Thanks for reading, if you made it this far, I ♥ all of you guys =D


Also, I love the fact that a children's cartoon can invoke this kind of thought provoking discussion out of me. It's a refreshing change of pace!

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I flat out couldn't imagine her, a fundamentally kind pony throughout the whole show, being so cruel to her friends. The trigger for her behavior just didn't seem strong enough.
It seems like half the point of the My Little Pony episode format is to build characters, so any out-of-character behavior doens't sit well with a lot of the audience. We identify with the ponies; that's why OOC behavior can be such a deal-breaker, especially if its the central premise of an episode. It seems like you didn't think the actions were OOC, which is fine. But that's different from liking the episode in spite of OOC behavior.
So could this be some character development, a hidden side of Fluttershy's behavior in SE1/2, an aggressiveness that she could get carried away with? Sure. But that development was handled with a kind of exaggeration that didn't seem believable.
No qualms with the theme and lesson; just the execution. I'm surprised this got through Jayson, tbh, but maybe I'm letting my personal opinion on the episode interfere with the actual quality.
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