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ZeromuS
Canada13392 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:06 Lil Ballz wrote: I wonder if there would anyone complaining about 1-1-1 if a foreign terran would have beaten a top korean protoss with it. ~ they would complain more actually | ||
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HinagikUx
United States178 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote: Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? no i wasnt, because T figured out how to beat it within one GSL and the strat hardly works anymore. 1-1-1 still hasnt found a specific counter for quite awhile, and takes very little apm to pull off. kiwi could have won that, but his bad engagement led to his loss. maybe the immortal range buff will actually make PvT not imbalanced when T does 1-1-1. | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 cArn- wrote: big mistake to cancel the nexus tbh, if you don't have a nexus there is no reason for terran to force the issue and try to attack you, with nexus pressure is on terran and has to make something happen quick before the nexus kicks in, and having ure army in the middle to fake engagements + phoenixes threatning to snipe banshees delays the push a lot .. He also didn't have to engage there when all tanks were already sieged .. at least engage when some tanks are not sieged when he tries to move forward can you cite some examples of holding a nexus when facing a 1/1/1? I'm zerg and not so aware of the TvP meta, but to quote TT1 when replying earlier to someone else who suggested canceling the nexus was a poor choice, "lol." agreed on the poor engagement, and delay though. | ||
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ak1knight
United States313 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:08 jyLee wrote: Let me lay it out for you since you clearly dont know how the game works. The longer he stalls the bigger the economic advantage he has because puma pulled half his scvs. Hopefully you can understand the math behind it now or you have no hope. 1. MULES 2. He can't just delay until he has a couple collos to kill marines, the longer he delays the more marines the T has that the P can't deal with efficiently with tank support until collos. | ||
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Moragon
United States355 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:08 xN.07)MaK wrote: Basically this is a bad example to show "how OP" 1/1/1 is. We need good execution/decision making from P to judge wether it's op or not. AKA just because it wins 99% of the time in actual games doesnt mean I cant fend it off in my head! | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:10 kheldorin wrote: LoL....why are people surprised that 1/1/1 won the Terran another game. Puma probably realized that Kiwikaki was actually good, stopped screwing around with his food and didn't want to risk anything. since 1/1/1 is a guaranteed win. The only reason why he didn't want to 1/1/1 in the first place is because he's gonna get a lot of hate for it because at least the Korean fans know it is imbalance. Only the foreign fans are clueless and think the fault always lies with Protoss even though there is a mountain of evidence proving otherwise. I agree, it seems like it says a lot about Kiwikaki's skill if Puma resorted to pulling out the 1/1/1. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:10 dwillow wrote: :-D :-D :-D :-D I am Masters terran and I still think its a little bit too strong...have someone even ever held it, if he didn't know its coming, like 3 gate exp doesnt work, 3 gate robo neither, 4gate + robo + stargate may... we can easily get back the 5 raxx reaper vs. Z and terran it all the way!! But than it wud be all TvT's and blue flames :-D... A player that dont know the 1-1-1 is coming deserves to lose. The force of the 1-1-1 lies in it being "scoutable" and not easily countered even still. | ||
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tuestresfat
2555 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:09 n0ise wrote: Either don't cancel the nexus, or drop a robo bay after a few pheonix, or get blink, whatever. But yeah, in that situation, it was silly to just mass units and try to attack into siege tanks pity yea it's so simple it's amazing kiwi walked into a tournament with a build he dedicated specifically to countering the 1/1/1 and didn't think of something you thought up in a couple of minutes. you must be a genius of some sort. | ||
InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
Ostojiy's up 1-0, and he's been performing brill all day. Keep it up Chris! | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:09 Flonomenalz wrote: Man you guys are dumb. Kiwi chose a build that's.... strange, but could have worked. He was going for zealot/immortal/phoenix, but then got nervous at the increasing marine count and chose to engage awfully. He needed to adopt a sort of Zerg player mentality when he engaged... - Immortals target tanks - Zealots a-move - Phoenixes flank around back and PICK UP TANKS Seriously, people are qqing about marines but tanks do SO much damage, once the tanks die you can warp in stalkers to kite everything else. Kiwi knows he should've won that. He tried to do tht. The problem was tht he needed to flank with his immortals on the other side becuz the FFs prevented him from getting to the tanks (thts why his immortals were dancing around). | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:10 parker- wrote: do someone know the final ranking of pool a? i'm a bit confused cuz of rain, huk and nani.. they all have the same record, even against each other.. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Raleigh | ||
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LtLolburger
New Zealand365 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote: I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax. I'm pretty sure you are just plain wrong. Maybe on taldarim, but not on any other map. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
He did a 2-base push, it's a different build | ||
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kabar
United States616 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:09 Jibba wrote: Because of the map pick and his BO. It was brilliant by Kiwi. It was actually not soo clever, but PuMa totally played it out in wrong fashion even though it worked. If he would have stayed back, added more barracks and a few medivacs to his 4 banshees.. there's no way of holding it as Protoss since as you get more marines they get insanely powerful as the zealots don't even get close - because you miss AoE, thats why Protoss cannot defeat Terran (in a normal game, not 1-1-1 without AoE) marine DPS is just so powerful. But PuMa decided to attack anyways, thats why it was kind of close. | ||
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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote: Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs) A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh] Must be fun being wrong I guess. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:05 TT1 wrote: yea he should have stalled for as long as possible, the more he delays the attack the stronger his compo becomes because of immortal/phoenix get really strong vs pumas composition the higher they get in number, that and he had a better eco so stalling would have allowed him to pump more units.. basic math t.t i think he just got anxious and just engaged without thinking, should have just forced puma to slowpush his way towards his base so could have bought himself as much time as possible Doesn't work like that exactly lol Marine numbers increase in effectiveness exponentially, the longer you wait on 1 base, the more impossible it becomes to hold the marine portion without AoE. You need to 1 gate (w/ or without) robo expand, and stall to allow your econ advantage to kick in and hold it with a similar composition kiwi had (zealot immortal sentry heavy), then use stalkers to clean up banshee and whatever is left. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
and charged it up on the gold rocks while stalling Puma in the middle. what about that? | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:10 Techno wrote: HuK held a MKP 3 rax with a 1 gate FE. Sup son? HuK lost to Ganzi's 1-1-1 last MLG. Sup son? :| | ||
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(( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T
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