EPTPlaying a tight game isn't inherently scummy, but it's how I usually play scum. Which is why I still haven't been lynched as scum (ss mafia doesn't count). It's kind of why I took a look at you in the first place. The only big opinion you laid down earlier was on KB, despite a decent amount of thread hullabaloo going on.
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
Playing a tight game isn't inherently scummy, but it's how I usually play scum. Which is why I still haven't been lynched as scum (ss mafia doesn't count). It's kind of why I took a look at you in the first place. The only big opinion you laid down earlier was on KB, despite a decent amount of thread hullabaloo going on. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
On June 19 2012 05:10 Nisani201 wrote:My main understanding of the "house chezinu" mainly came from Merc Mini 2 where I played with Chezinu, and he was acting very similar to Hiro's play in this game. In that game Chezinu was a bulletproof SK and I figured that it was very likely Hiro had a lot of power. I didn't want to get stuck in some stupid feud with a third party when I could have been scumhunting. Furthermore, I didn't really see any downside to allying with the House... and no one has pointed one out; people have been saying that this kind of affiliation with it is scummy but I don't really see why that is. This is a weird statement from Nisani. He bases the fact that he wanted to ally with HiroPro on the past reference of Chezinu being a bulletproof SK. If he was town, wouldn't he be immediately suspicious of someone he thought was a bulletproof SK? SK's, though 3rd party, want to kill town mates unlike survivors. His reasoning is "I didn't want to get stuck in some feud when I could be scumhunting", but that doesn't make much sense; if he really believed that HiroPro was a SK type, then he should've been going after HiroPro. The only issue is that it's Nisani, and he's always a btch to read. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
On June 19 2012 14:11 xsksc wrote: It's not relevant anymore, but if you think you've found a blueslip, why would you draw attention to it? o.O Drawing attention to it no longer puts deconduo in danger if he is actually a blue, because he claimed. I draw attention to it because I want to know if he was blue slipping or blue fishing. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
##Vote Nisani201 And BioSC looks to have disappeared again. I suppose it's too much to ask for another day-vig, lol. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
I'm gonna leave my vote on Nisani - I might not be back on before the deadline and he seems like the best choice. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
That said he has never looked good in this game. Though this post from MajuGarzett made about nisani should also be taken into consideration (he posted this before I posted that I was definitely going to shoot him or KB). On June 19 2012 08:28 MajuGarzett wrote: KB is scummy. I know I said earlier that I didn't suspect him but that was in reference solely to the act of making an alliance with the house. The stuff he's done after that is bad. Nisani is okay but I disliked how little info there was in his vote for xsksc. He didn't really point out anything, just make generalizations and tell people to go look at the filter themselves. I'm not sure if this makes Nisani look better or worse. ____________________- On deconduo - deconduo must be town if he's smart. If he's dumb, he could still be scum. Remember that he initially wanted me to type in Deconduo is town I am town I am a dayvig in order to confirm us both. If I had done as he asked, and he wasn't town, he would have been royally and stupidly fucked. Because I know I'm town, and I know I'm a dayvig, and if the hosts say there's a lie there, then I'm going to shoot deconduo. I have to assume that he would think that much through if he were scum, right? On an aside, lie detector seems like a random role to give to scum anyway. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 19 2012 14:51 talismania wrote: On deconduo - deconduo must be town if he's smart. If he's dumb, he could still be scum. Remember that he initially wanted me to type in Deconduo is town I am town I am a dayvig in order to confirm us both. If I had done as he asked, and he wasn't town, he would have been royally and stupidly fucked. Because I know I'm town, and I know I'm a dayvig, and if the hosts say there's a lie there, then I'm going to shoot deconduo. I have to assume that he would think that much through if he were scum, right? On an aside, lie detector seems like a random role to give to scum anyway. Oh, that's actually a really good point. If he was scum that would have guaranteed his death. And Zephirdd confirmed that Maju's framing power doesn't affect the objection thing. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
##unvote ##Vote: Nisani201 12 Hours to lynch. Any other contenders? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 19 2012 08:28 MajuGarzett wrote: KB is scummy. I know I said earlier that I didn't suspect him but that was in reference solely to the act of making an alliance with the house. The stuff he's done after that is bad. Nisani is okay but I disliked how little info there was in his vote for xsksc. He didn't really point out anything, just make generalizations and tell people to go look at the filter themselves. I'm reposting this because I just realized something potentially interesting. When asked about Nisani, what did MajuGarzett talk about? ...The alliance with House Chezinu? No. ...The claim of "extra win and extra lose" conditions? No. He talked about... the case on xsksc Why would this be the one thing to come to his mind? Maybe I'm crazy, but my hunch is that it's because xsksc is his partner. Read through xsksc's filter. That shit is ripe. Classic scum posts like "Anyway I'm going away now blahblahblah if anyone has questions" (I hate it when townies do this btw). Tentativeness. The exact same reaction to House Chezinu that MajuGarzett has "I'm wary of it until we learn more about the benefits blahblahblah". Too lazy/tired at the moment to pull a whole case together with quotes and all, but do yourself a favor and read through his filter. ##vote xsksc | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
Talismania gets it, read his post. Xsksc is scum. It could be dropbear also, he's so fucking happy to find his little piece of evidence against me, dancing and posting in big bold letters. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
it's really unlikely nisani is maju's partner. Nisani claimed "a crazy role" with "extra win and extra lose" wincons. The existence of "extra lose" wincons was backed up by acrofales. Maju did not have any of these wincons. Therefore I find it an incredibly fortunate lie by nisani to have made that up if he is indeed maju's partner. More likely, nisani is third party or something. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ( i learn that in LV) no more tin foiled hat, although not town town, they are town. I still think 201 is 3rd party from the way he fish for information in this thread. He also shows no interests in scum hunting in his play and is playing really defensive. He does not want to be in the spotlight and only pop up to ask questions without making a stance. On June 19 2012 05:39 Nisani201 wrote: Why do you keep asking me these questions? Why not you? You were asking about the set up, so from what you can speculate, what do you think the set up should be? He then replies to talis question in fear of being shot but his reply is also lackluster. On June 19 2012 06:15 Nisani201 wrote: Just read through his filter. Most of his N0 posts looks like easy-to-make ones, his tunnelling of Drazerk later on looks very forced and I don't like it. What does I don't like it mean? You suspect him enough but don't want to do anything about it? He then post here and there without posting anything. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18289 Posts
I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all. DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use. See here: On June 19 2012 12:51 DropBear wrote: Jesus christ you guys are spammy. Please stop with the one-liners! I'm reading up. Good shot on majugarzett, I'm unvoting KB for now cos he was voting for maju according to the voting thread. KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] + On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote: I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though. let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier. For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was. However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all. As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy. Other comments I am not yet decided on Nisani. I don't like some things in his play, specifically the way he just posts suspicions on people without committing, but I have not yet found anything conclusively scummy in his play. What I mainly don't like is his claimed "extra wincon". That sounds like 3P to me. I have an extra condition for losing, but can ONLY win with town. Any way to win, other than with town, sounds fishy. At best, it's like lynching Glados in Aperture and at worst, it's an anti-town wincon. While I feel DB is a better lynch for the moment, he is not a bad candidate. BioSC and Hyaach are lurking like bawzes and should be shot. Gonna read up on xsksc next. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18289 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On June 19 2012 16:52 Hyaach wrote: Regarding Dec's power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ( i learn that in LV) no more tin foiled hat, although not town town, they are town. I still think 201 is 3rd party from the way he fish for information in this thread. He also shows no interests in scum hunting in his play and is playing really defensive. He does not want to be in the spotlight and only pop up to ask questions without making a stance. Why not you? You were asking about the set up, so from what you can speculate, what do you think the set up should be? He then replies to talis question in fear of being shot but his reply is also lackluster. What does I don't like it mean? You suspect him enough but don't want to do anything about it? He then post here and there without posting anything. What the hell? I attempted to ally with the house chezinu thing, pushed a case on xsksc, and tried to get information that would benefit town, and you acuse me of trying to stay of the spotlight? I have no idea why anyone should bother listening to what you have to say because you're just throwing buzzwords out of your mouth at this point. | ||
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