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xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

September 06 2012 02:46 GMT

#8601

On September 06 2012 11:42 Defacer wrote:
Bill is killing it. You charming motherfucker.

This is a far better speech than Obama deserves. I'm sure that Clinton wants to throw up talking about how great of a cooperator that Obama is.

Minus`

United States174 Posts

September 06 2012 02:48 GMT

#8602

On September 06 2012 11:46 xDaunt wrote:

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This is a far better speech than Obama deserves. I'm sure that Clinton wants to throw up talking about how great of a cooperator that Obama is.

You are so mad, dude. At least entertain the idea that everyone intelligent doesn't feel exactly the same way you do.

Stratos_speAr

United States6959 Posts

September 06 2012 02:48 GMT

#8603

On September 06 2012 11:48 MinusPlus wrote:

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You are so mad, dude. At least entertain the idea that everyone intelligent doesn't feel exactly the same way you do.

xDaunt is the resident right-wing nutjob in any political thread. Just get used to it.

Zahir

United States947 Posts

September 06 2012 02:50 GMT

#8604

Clinton is working the crowd like a pro. Theyre eating from the palm of his hand. Keeping them as allies was the best move of Obamas political career.

Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

September 06 2012 02:51 GMT

#8605

HAHAHA.

That line. "We left a mess, he didn't clean it up fast up ... "

ThreeAcross

172 Posts

September 06 2012 02:52 GMT

#8606

On September 06 2012 11:41 Sadist wrote:

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On September 06 2012 11:08 Defacer wrote:

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On September 06 2012 10:33 Defacer wrote:

On September 06 2012 09:47 ziggurat wrote:
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The treatment related to my wife and the birth of our daughter. She was in the hospital several times during her pregnancy as well as for the actual birth, and then our daughter needed to stay for five days after her birth for monitoring. The issues mostly related to there just not being enough staff. Most of the doctors and nurses were incredibly busy and always seemed to be rushing on to the next patient. Some of them were just lazy but of course that will happen in any system.

I don't mean to diminish your concerns about Canada's healthcare, but the cost of pregnancy in the US is about $4500 for an OBGYN, $1000 for labs and $10,000 for the hospital stay. And I'm not sure paying all that would guarantee you better or 'premium' service.

I believe in most provinces midwives are already covered, so if you need a more personalized touch maybe you can go that route.

In BC, many employers also offer extended plans to cover any additional care -- ranging from podiatry to chiropractors to naturopaths -- to provide very comprehensive, specialized care.

What I like about the Canadian Healthcare system is that provide sufficient care, for pretty much everyone. It's not perfect, but at least it's not a fundamentally broken mix of private insurance and government subsided healthcare, the way it is in the US. It's something we can continually invest in and improve.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you say that the level of care is "sufficient". Other words that come to mind are "acceptable" or "tolerable". If I'm a hardworking guy who makes a good living and who wants to pay extra to get something better for his family than "sufficient" then I'm in the wrong system.

Well, if you do go to the states to pay extra than don't be surprised when you're disappointed in what you paid for. The health care there, is to be frank, not that great. Unless you planning to get a boob job or something

Don't be surprised to get more than what you paid for either. The experiences differ depending on what hospital/clinic you visit just like anywhere else in the world.

My wife had an average non c-section delivery 11 months ago. She was only in the hospital 1 night, and the cost was about $7500.00 .. Knowing what I know with insurance payments and contracts with hospitals, the hospital, which is a Top100 in the nation, got paid about $1200.00 -- Our out of pocket costs were $200.00 for the Inpatient stay.

You can always find extremes for any system, but they are far from the norm. Each system has their merits and flaws.

Well, you do know insurance companies negotiate with the Physicians/hospitals as far as the costs go right? Thats something that the regular citizen would never be able to do.

I don't quite understand your point. I obviously know that Insurance companies and Hospitals have contracts. I said it in my post.
I currently work in the system. I own a small business that does billing/collections for smaller clinics.

Without insurance you would have been stuck with the $7500 + bill. That was my point. You dont necessarily get more than you pay for. The hospital would have never negotiated with you so that you only paid $1400 if you didnt have insurance. Thats a crooked system IMO

I wouldn't have been stuck with a $7500 bill. First, most hospitals give a 20% discount to self pay patients. Second, you have to remember the costs that I pay each month to my Health Insurance. $350 a month for a Family. That's $4200 a year.
80% of $7500 is $6000. So I would have owed an extra $1600 total if I had been self pay.

But that is still not the point. I don't get how Insurance companies and Hospitals contracting is a bad thing.

Its a bad thing because individuals without insurance arent given that same chance. I don't see how you dont think that is an issue? As you obviously know working in the industry, the fact that hospitals/physicians inflate their prices knowing that they will be negotiated down, the health industry is inherently immoral and companies shouldnt be playing with a persons wellbeing/health like its an item to be bartered on pawn stars.

You do know that Medicare and Medicaid have the same contracts that insurance companies do? This isn't limited just to private companies.
There are so many variables that contribute to the cost of health coverage. It isn't just inflate here, and negotiate there.

Do I believe the health industry is immoral? Of course not. Do I believe there are issues that need to be corrected? Absolutely. Pre-Existings are a terrible thing.
One of the main issues with increasing costs is that people do not know how much their services actually cost. They know that if they go to the Doctor they can fork out a $30 copay and not have to pay anything else. Medicare is a prime example of this. People will go to the Doctor 5x a week for whatever they want, knowing Medicare will pay for it.

Of course, I don't have a solution to this problem. I just know it is a glaring one with our current and will continue in our soon to be system.

JinDesu

United States3990 Posts

September 06 2012 02:52 GMT

#8607

I think it's partly that Clinton's ability to deliver with a smile really endears him to the audience.

Budmandude

United States123 Posts

September 06 2012 02:55 GMT

#8608

On September 06 2012 11:48 MinusPlus wrote:

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You are so mad, dude. At least entertain the idea that everyone intelligent doesn't feel exactly the same way you do.

It's pretty well known that there's bad blood between Presidents Obama and Clinton, I'm sure that's what he's referring to.

Yeah, Clinton's speech is so much better than the preceding two, you don't have to agree with the man to know a good politician when you see one.

On September 06 2012 11:56 xDaunt wrote:
Christ. I almost want to believe what Clinton is saying.

He's just so good at speaking, it's disgusting.

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

September 06 2012 02:56 GMT

#8609

Christ. I almost want to believe what Clinton is saying.

Djabanete

United States2786 Posts

September 06 2012 02:56 GMT

#8610

Where can I watch? Thanks in advance.

edit: Thank you JinDesu!

JinDesu

United States3990 Posts

September 06 2012 02:57 GMT

#8611

On September 06 2012 11:56 Djabanete wrote:
Where can I watch? Thanks in advance.

http://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/watch-live-stream-democratic-national-convention-2012/

Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

September 06 2012 02:58 GMT

#8612

On September 06 2012 11:56 xDaunt wrote:
Christ. I almost want to believe what Clinton is saying.

Come, xDaunt. Come to the Obama-side bwahahahahah ....

screamingpalm

United States1527 Posts

September 06 2012 03:00 GMT

#8613

It's amazing how popular the guy remains. When I see him, the first thing that comes to mind is: the president who signed the death of Glass-Steagall.

Minus`

United States174 Posts

September 06 2012 03:01 GMT

#8614

On September 06 2012 11:55 Budmandude wrote:

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It's pretty well known that there's bad blood between Presidents Obama and Clinton, I'm sure that's what he's referring to.
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He's just so good at speaking, it's disgusting.

Forgive me, I'm skeptical. And justifiably so, I'm sure.

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

September 06 2012 03:02 GMT

#8615

Of all the crap coming out of Clinton's mouth, nothing is more egregious than giving Obama credit for domestic oil and gas production. Anyone who knows anything about the industry knows that his administration is holding the industry back.

screamingpalm

United States1527 Posts

September 06 2012 03:04 GMT

#8616

What bad blood? Obama's entire adminstration is filled with Clintonites lol.