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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 22 2013 05:12 FirmTofu wrote: Everytime I make a case, everyone just skims over it and nothing comes of it. I'm trying a new approach this time. asses your current base beliefs and then reach a logical conclusion while incorporating the NK. Let me know if you have trouble following the logic or if there are any holes in it. I don't know how you are supposed to apply the logic in this situtaion. Like how it helps us finding scum? Also DarthPunk was extremely pro-town now matter how useless he was trying to look. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 22 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think geript is scum for two reasons. I did not like his push on Crazometer at all. The reasons were not good and it seemed like he was trying to swing the discussion off WoS (he did not comment on WoS stuff at all at first). When i said later on i think geript is scum he instantly started yelling me "i know i am lurky as scum, but now i have been busy". Over-defensive, i never even said why i think he is scum. I would like to remind you that association cases don't amount to much. Try not to base your case on him on the fact that he is associated to WoS. Remember how that logic turned out in Titanic? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 22 2013 05:12 FirmTofu wrote: Everytime I make a case, everyone just skims over it and nothing comes of it. I'm trying a new approach this time. asses your current base beliefs and then reach a logical conclusion while incorporating the NK. Let me know if you have trouble following the logic or if there are any holes in it. Well, I agree that people don't discuss cases enough. Even if they are bad. But the only time you mentioned the Snowman before in this thread was wifom around the NK. Which in my eyes is rarely useful. You say Titanic was a good example? Vivax was on the wrong track, VA was on the wrong track, Clarity was right about Stutters only. So I don't understand your reasoning at all. You base your case around the fact that there isn't a single scummer that repsects DP and therefore the NK must have been about his read on The Snowman? Not enough man. The Snowman posted enough to make at least a little bit of an effort to point out something in his posting. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 22 2013 05:15 FirmTofu wrote: I would like to remind you that association cases don't amount to much. Try not to base your case on him on the fact that he is associated to WoS. Remember how that logic turned out in Titanic? Nonono. It's not an association case. It does not matter what alignment WoS is. geript as town does not know WoS' alignment. He does not look / comment on the case on WoS in any way. Instead he points out another suspect with reasons i find to be weak. The correct way to play as town is to tell what do you think of the case, point out if something is wrong in it, so that townies do not look at the wrong places. Or agree with it if you do. Add something if you have something to add. geript does none of it, he just let's the case go unnoticed. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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kushm4sta
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FirmTofu
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On August 22 2013 01:59 kushm4sta wrote: what do you mean? why woulnd't that scumteam kill him? I think any scumteam would have killed him regardless of his reads. I think he was by far the best town in the game. anyone else find this post really suspicious? Especially the last part. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 22 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nonono. It's not an association case. It does not matter what alignment WoS is. geript as town does not know WoS' alignment. He does not look / comment on the case on WoS in any way. Instead he points out another suspect with reasons i find to be weak. The correct way to play as town is to tell what do you think of the case, point out if something is wrong in it, so that townies do not look at the wrong places. Or agree with it if you do. Add something if you have something to add. geript does none of it, he just let's the case go unnoticed. Fair enough, I can see that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On August 22 2013 05:39 VayneAuthority wrote: anyone else find this post really suspicious? Especially the last part. I think he's right. I don't necessarily think he was the best town in this game, but it's certainly correct to assume scum would kill him off regardless of reads. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
His filter is full of him making strong accusations but the manner in which he does so is....disconcerting I guess? Something is off and I don't know what it is. Sn0 do you still think Koshi and Rayn are scum? An answer to this question I feel will be very important as to how the rest of the thread treats you today. Right now I think I may just want to lynch Crazometer for his reaction to my 'no-talk' idea and the fact that he supposedly can't 'keep up' with me? It looks like he's trying to make it seem like an attempt at putting effort/reads in when he hasn't commented on anything at all the entire game. I'm aware he's a lurker but it's what I got right now. Also I remember having a bad feeling that kush is actually doing a little something this game---I remember reading a thread recently where he actually played a game and was mafia. (Like much in this game apparently, I may be misremembering though) Kush are you one of those players who hates rolling town? | ||
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mkfuba07
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rayn: What was the thing you and DP both supposedly saw regarding Rainbows? He's the only one I feel pretty scummy about, and the fact that he hasn't posted in over a day isn't helping his case imo. I'll take a look at sn0 now. I've been really internally wishy-washy about him. He was on my possible scum list earlier N0, but I got a "scum wouldn't say that" vibe from some of his posts that kinda dropped him back to null. I should take better notes, since my memory doesn't really cut it in most cases :S As far as DP being the NK is concerned, the most we should take from it is that everything he said was honest. If we try to wifom whether or not scum wanted us to pursue his scumreads and trust his townreads, then we're doing ourselves a disservice. That being said, I generally agreed with his given reads except for kush and sn0, who I'm much more null on. @Vayne: Eh, I see where you're coming from, but DP probably was one of the top town players in the game. He just kinda makes sense as a NK. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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VayneAuthority
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Also speaking of alignment comparisons, reading Sn0 got me thinking about Rayn and Koshi. I sincerely doubt that they are both scum considering Koshi has been basically playing the part of Rayn's lickspittle all game. I really want to see what Sn0 has to say when he comes back. | ||
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mkfuba07
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VayneAuthority
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On August 22 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Why do you think this Vayne? Also speaking of alignment comparisons, reading Sn0 got me thinking about Rayn and Koshi. I sincerely doubt that they are both scum considering Koshi has been basically playing the part of Rayn's lickspittle all game. I really want to see what Sn0 has to say when he comes back. Not something worth revealing yet. Helps scum more than it helps town atm. @mkfuba in roulette you said you like to play a defensive game as town. Why in this game do you feel the need to be very aggressive? your play resembles basterd mini a lot more than roulette right now so I was just wondering what's going on. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On August 22 2013 06:07 mkfuba07 wrote: Yeah, I understood. It's just that if he's a really good town player (he plays well as town), then it makes sense to phrase it the way kush did. It could be interpreted as kush knowing that DP is the strongest of the town players, and slipped up, but at that point it's a coin flip in interpretations for me. Precisely, just something worth noting but I wouldn't toss it in the trash. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 21 2013 01:50 Rainbows wrote: I don't really see how I'm flip flopping on a WoS case if I haven't given my opinion on it :p, You silly goose Rayn. I have a far stronger scumread on Sn0_man. Why do you consider your case the only thing that matters  .If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post. My biggest failings as a town player is pursuing my initial day 1 reads. Last game I pinned Artanis as scum but never pushed it, resulting in a townie getting lynched over him. I want to push my reads Day 1 because typically they are very good. First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping. Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case". Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place? Another thing that bothers me is this post: The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so? | ||
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