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On April 20 2010 06:23 Radfield wrote:Where did this Rage bandwagon come from!? Was his post really that suspicious? Show nested quote +
We really need a change of attitude here imo.
I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend
Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.
This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.
As far as I can tell, this post helps to focus the town down a road towards a lynch. Voting towards the "least active, most voted person" seems like a sound plan to get a lynch done. Perhaps you folks voting for Rage could elaborate a little more. I realize Caller's already posted a reason, but were that many people suddenly convinced? Caller's argument seemed a bit thin to me.
Um actually yeah, if I read that correctly, I think it is pretty anti-town and warranting suspicion. Wanting to exclude all the pre-day 2 information is hugely ridiculous. If you don't think there's anything here to analyze, then something is wrong with you. This seems like an invitation to cover up information that the mafia doesn't want to be found.
Wah wah wah what? Ace claims DT...then acts completely retardedly. Sad that I have only $25, but oh well. If I were not trying to play to win, I'd open a tax collection agency so I could get some more money, but...Wait! Ace is a genius. (Even more) to come.
A few IMPORTANT notes:
Everyone: Stop filling the thread with garbage. I am amazed that with 10 pages worth of mostly useless posts, I can only see two or three responses to my post, and only a few more reasonable attempts at being helpful. Jugan: Your attempts to appear helpful are abrasive and are probably turning people off. Right now, most of the posts are only helping the mafia. If we're actually come up with some decent course of action, the spam needs to stop NOW.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm going to refer to the info in this spoiler if anyone decides to accuse me of being a hypocrite when I make my next post. But I have reasons. 1. Being that it works for some people.
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On April 20 2010 10:46 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 06:23 Radfield wrote:Where did this Rage bandwagon come from!? Was his post really that suspicious?
We really need a change of attitude here imo.
I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend
Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.
This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.
As far as I can tell, this post helps to focus the town down a road towards a lynch. Voting towards the "least active, most voted person" seems like a sound plan to get a lynch done. Perhaps you folks voting for Rage could elaborate a little more. I realize Caller's already posted a reason, but were that many people suddenly convinced? Caller's argument seemed a bit thin to me. Um actually yeah, if I read that correctly, I think it is pretty anti-town and warranting suspicion. Wanting to exclude all the pre-day 2 information is hugely ridiculous. If you don't think there's anything here to analyze, then something is wrong with you. This seems like an invitation to cover up information that the mafia doesn't want to be found. Wah wah wah what? Ace claims DT...then acts completely retardedly. Sad that I have only $25, but oh well. If I were not trying to play to win, I'd open a tax collection agency so I could get some more money, but...Wait! Ace is a genius. (Even more) to come. A few IMPORTANT notes: Everyone: Stop filling the thread with garbage. I am amazed that with 10 pages worth of mostly useless posts, I can only see two or three responses to my post, and only a few more reasonable attempts at being helpful. Jugan: Your attempts to appear helpful are abrasive and are probably turning people off. Right now, most of the posts are only helping the mafia. If we're actually come up with some decent course of action, the spam needs to stop NOW. + Show Spoiler +I'm going to refer to the info in this spoiler if anyone decides to accuse me of being a hypocrite when I make my next post. But I have reasons. 1. Being that it works for some people.
The argument is not to exclude all Day-1 information, but that it is very difficult to get someone lynched purely on Day-1 evidence. Obviously, the Day-1 evidence is among the most important evidence we have, because we constantly need to be checking people against their previous statements, and it allows us to see patterns of activity.
That said, Day-1 evidence is rarely conclusive enough to nail people immediately. It can be, but it usually isn't. I actually think this first day of posting stands to be reasonably productive, because so many bandwagons started and fizzled, which is a great way to catch mafia. I think Caller's 3/4th vote rule is an oversimplification, but it's always good to look for the tipping point to a bandwagon, and then to take out the opportunists who hopped on, and check them out a little more fully.
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is awesome32263 Posts
How unlucky that a Vigilante got modkilled...
jpak's death kind of does nothing, not bad for a first day lynch thought.
I just got home from a long exam (longer than I thought it would be). I'll start reading more now, thought I skimmed quickly and there's not much in the last 4 pages.
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On April 20 2010 10:33 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 09:59 Caller wrote:
ugh, this tells us nothing, why was he railroaded -_- shit just happens, i guess. At least he was an assassin and not green. Meh, I think this is worrying in that I doubt there are many assassins in this game. So if town+mafia end up accidentally killing all the assassins save one, I'm guessing that one assassin wins and game ends lol.
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On April 20 2010 10:46 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 06:23 Radfield wrote:Where did this Rage bandwagon come from!? Was his post really that suspicious?
We really need a change of attitude here imo.
I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend
Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.
This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.
As far as I can tell, this post helps to focus the town down a road towards a lynch. Voting towards the "least active, most voted person" seems like a sound plan to get a lynch done. Perhaps you folks voting for Rage could elaborate a little more. I realize Caller's already posted a reason, but were that many people suddenly convinced? Caller's argument seemed a bit thin to me. Wanting to exclude all the pre-day 2 information is hugely ridiculous. If you don't think there's anything here to analyze, then something is wrong with you. This seems like an invitation to cover up information that the mafia doesn't want to be found. It didn't sound like he wanted to exclude pre-day 2 information, just that he didn't want people to make accusations based on conversations until day 2. We should still keep track of people's posting habits, but we shouldn't make any definitive accusations/start bandwagons based off posting until after we have enough content to analyze.
Although it's pretty easy to understand how that post probably rubbed people the wrong way with him proposing a "ban" rather than just simply stating something like "hey guys, let's not start any bandwagons based off of posts until after we have enough to analyze etc.".
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and it turns out tree.hugger already posted a better worded response than me...20 minutes earlier...damn it.
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On April 20 2010 11:01 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 10:33 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On April 20 2010 09:59 Caller wrote:
ugh, this tells us nothing, why was he railroaded -_- shit just happens, i guess. At least he was an assassin and not green. Meh, I think this is worrying in that I doubt there are many assassins in this game. So if town+mafia end up accidentally killing all the assassins save one, I'm guessing that one assassin wins and game ends lol.
Game doesn't END if an Assassin wins... right? I thought the Assassin won and the game continued for the rest of the players.
Also, I dunno if jpak being an assassin was good or bad, but it is definitely funny.
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from the voting thread:
On April 20 2010 11:07 krndandaman wrote:
##Vote Caller
ah crap I didn't see the PM or this topic until just now >_>
wow just wow
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On April 20 2010 10:31 flamewheel91 wrote:Official (second) warning to Jugan:
+ Show Spoiler [One complaint against Jugan] +-----------------------------------------
On April 20 2010 04:59 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote:
Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same
Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit You know, it's quite hard to take someone seriously when they break one of the biggest and easiest to follow rules in the game. Additionally, feel free to go over my posts again - they: 1) Are much more constructive than your post. 2) Offer ideas based on logical reasoning. 3) Urge people not to do anything irrational. Obviously my posts have not reached you, as the only thing more nonsensical than your accusations is your posting. I'm glad you broke the rules of the game to let us know you are watching one piece. Feel free to actually contribute ONE POST backed up with solid reasoning and evidence. It would be helpful if you showed how my posts are "nonsenseical crap" as you have put it. BTW, it's spelled 'nonsensical'.Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote:
3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak
I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well.
I would like to warn you about identifying yourself with Scaramanga. His reasoning for voting for me was because he believes solid logic is "nonsenseical crap". While I do concede the fact that I trolled a little at the start, most of my posts have been well constructed and thought out. Additionally, I have continually encouraged rational and logical discussion in each of my constructive posts. It honestly seems that either Scaramanga is either retarded or too lazy to actually make an effort to actually back up his posts with evidence and examples. Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote:
But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him)
I actually started posting seriously to lay the smackdown on IntoTheWow. If I continued posting like a troll, it would be hard to get people to take me seriously. You see how I used LOGIC there? I've given more ideas toward the town than you have, but keep up the good work by showing us how smart you are.Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote:
I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him.
Because your posts are filled with whining and assumptions. Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote:
But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o
It's day 1. Read one of my several posts that explains, for simpletons such as yourself, that you can't read too much into a person's alleged "inactivity" on the first day because the game is just getting started. There is this imaginary thing people like to play called "life". Now, while it may seem absurd to you that people will waste time on such a silly game, some people take this "life" thing seriously. Stop whining before reading.
So: please cut out the insults, play the game, and don't be a jerk. This is your LAST warning.
If you want to talk to me, PM me.
Don't worry Jugan it's a bluff, they won't actually do anything to you.
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Oh, after re-reading what I wrote, I feel like I should say that it wasn't meant as a lecture, Incog has way more experience than myself, and it probably better equipped than myself to determine what Day-1 actions were valuable or not.
After I'm done writing my latest philosophy paper, hopefully during some spare time tomorrow, I'll take a look at the voting list.
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Some quick thoughts on our situation before I go to bed:
1. We can confirm that there are at least 3 assassins in this game (and I'm guessing fewer DTs/Vigis as a consequence/balance factor)
2. But, this doesn't really change our lynch timeline, as Day 3 is going to be pretty critical unless we have a ridiculous amount of assassins in this game
3. Get RaGe checked tonight. If he's scum, then we can lynch him; if not then we keep an eye on him. Ace, put my $50 on RaGe, for all it's worth.
And no, judging by the OP Assassins don't cause the game to end if they fulfill their victory conditions.
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On April 20 2010 11:19 d3_crescentia wrote:
And no, judging by the OP Assassins don't cause the game to end if they fulfill their victory conditions.
Correct. Assassins are basically playing their own little side game against each other against the backdrop of the town vs. mafia game. The game continues when one of them wins, but they all lose if one side loses in the other game.
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On April 20 2010 10:31 flamewheel91 wrote:
So: please cut out the insults, play the game, and don't be a jerk. This is your LAST warning.
If you want to talk to me, PM me. [/b][/blue][/i]
Alright, I'm sorry for calling someone a donkey, and hurting their feelings.
Second, I'm sorry for defending myself when someone makes one post in twenty pages purely to attack me:
On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote:
Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same
Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit
Which was not only UNFOUNDED (due to several of my posts being furthest from what said), but I merely ASK HIM to contribute a post backed with solid evidence. If he wants to accuse me of something, he may very well do so with example, reasoning, and evidence instead of saying FUCK YOU LYNCH JUGAN. However, I am glad that you support such a prestigious member of the community when he
1) BREAKS a rule that EVERYBODY KNOWS and you let him get away with it.
2) In breaking that rule, he calls your game SHIT.
3) I tried to help him out with his spelling for the next time he tries to accuse someone out of the blue.
Now I have purposefully refrained from swearing in this thread, but I feel that this "SHIT" we are all reading is a game we are here to enjoy. If you, the moderator feel that your game indeed is shit not worth missing one piece over then I apologize, and I will start watching one piece.
That being said, I'll try to be less abrasive, but I do like how I am the only person being warned when there have been others who are being a lot more offensive than I am. Additionally, I would like to apologize for getting riled up when stupidity is thrown at me. It's a bad habit I'm trying to kick.
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Hello, its your friendly neighborhood tax collector here! Don't worry, I'm not trying to suck you dry. I'm just trying to make sure you pay your fair share. Not like you care anyway, since your parents probably pay your taxes for you!
Welcome to Incognito's Tax collection agency!
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Rules:
1. If you don't pay your taxes, you will be punished. I'm sure you all would love to keep all your fingers on your wonderfully productive typing hands.
2. If you survive the night, we come back the next day and collect more taxes from you!
3. If you try to pay less than your fair share, we will confiscate all your property and burn you at the stake.
FAQ:
Q. How do I pay my taxes?
A. Make sure you post. Post substantively and frequently. Non-posters will be shot, and all their property will be confiscated and be used for state production.
Q. What kind of taxes are there?
A. The Liquidia Tax Collection Agency collects two taxes, A) The Cost of Living Tax, and B) The Lottery tax.
Q. Can you explain the Cost of Living Tax?
A. Sure thing. It works very simply. You pay tax on all of your earnings. The tax breakdown is like this. There is one marginal tax bracket, which is 100%. That's right! All of your earnings will go to the Liquidia Tax Collection Agency, which will ensure that your earnings are justly and fairly distributed among those who are in need. And by "in need", I mean, those who are actively participating to bring the mafia to justice. The faster we get rid of the insurgence, the quicker we can call off this "state of emergency" and get back to the freedom and liberty we all love (not going to happen).
Q. How the **** do I calculate my earnings?
A. You don't. We calculate them for you. Chances are, you have underestimated your tax burden. So just to be safe, make sure you keep posting actively and usefully.
Q. So is there a lottery tax?
A. Yes, there is a lottery tax. Every time you win Ace's lottery, you must pay 80% of your winnings to the Liquidia treasury fund. This fund will be used to help buy housing for poor people like BloodyC0bbler and will ensure that we all live long and healthy lives. In addition, 20% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia Reasearch Fund, which will fund research, enabling us to weed out the mafia quickly and effectively. Finally, the last 10% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia "Defense" Fund, which will be used to silence all those who blab on and cover up important information. The total amount of tax due should add up to 100%, if I can do math. Oh well, even if I don't, you can always count on the Liquidian Government to dole out justice and oppose all those who call themselves socialist! Let Freedom Ring!!!
Q. Can I get a receipt to ensure that the Tax Collection Agency has received my payment?
A. Nope! You just have to keep posting in blind faith that we have received your payment. We are not responsible for any failed transactions on your part.
Q. Thank you! I really hope I can be a good comrade and contribute to the greatness of the Liquidian people!
A. That wasn't a question, but ok...
People who haven't payed their taxes:
1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
...
We are sorry, but it seems like we have lost all record of your transactions. Please re-enter your transactions, or send a check to the Liquidia Collection Agency. If you have any questions or grievances, please contact the People's Extermination And Criminal Justice Department for more details.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 20 2010 11:36 Incognito wrote:Hello, its your friendly neighborhood tax collector here! Don't worry, I'm not trying to suck you dry. I'm just trying to make sure you pay your fair share. Not like you care anyway, since your parents probably pay your taxes for you!Welcome to Incognito's Tax collection agency! Rules: 1. If you don't pay your taxes, you will be punished. I'm sure you all would love to keep all your fingers on your wonderfully productive typing hands. 2. If you survive the night, we come back the next day and collect more taxes from you! 3. If you try to pay less than your fair share, we will confiscate all your property and burn you at the stake. FAQ: Q. How do I pay my taxes? A. Make sure you post. Post substantively and frequently. Non-posters will be shot, and all their property will be confiscated and be used for state production. Q. What kind of taxes are there? A. The Liquidia Tax Collection Agency collects two taxes, A) The Cost of Living Tax, and B) The Lottery tax. Q. Can you explain the Cost of Living Tax? A. Sure thing. It works very simply. You pay tax on all of your earnings. The tax breakdown is like this. There is one marginal tax bracket, which is 100%. That's right! All of your earnings will go to the Liquidia Tax Collection Agency, which will ensure that your earnings are justly and fairly distributed among those who are in need. And by "in need", I mean, those who are actively participating to bring the mafia to justice. The faster we get rid of the insurgence, the quicker we can call off this "state of emergency" and get back to the freedom and liberty we all love (not going to happen). Q. How the **** do I calculate my earnings? A. You don't. We calculate them for you. Chances are, you have underestimated your tax burden. So just to be safe, make sure you keep posting actively and usefully. Q. So is there a lottery tax? A. Yes, there is a lottery tax. Every time you win Ace's lottery, you must pay 80% of your winnings to the Liquidia treasury fund. This fund will be used to help buy housing for poor people like BloodyC0bbler and will ensure that we all live long and healthy lives. In addition, 20% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia Reasearch Fund, which will fund research, enabling us to weed out the mafia quickly and effectively. Finally, the last 10% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia "Defense" Fund, which will be used to silence all those who blab on and cover up important information. The total amount of tax due should add up to 100%, if I can do math. Oh well, even if I don't, you can always count on the Liquidian Government to dole out justice and oppose all those who call themselves socialist! Let Freedom Ring!!!Q. Can I get a receipt to ensure that the Tax Collection Agency has received my payment? A. Nope! You just have to keep posting in blind faith that we have received your payment. We are not responsible for any failed transactions on your part. Q. Thank you! I really hope I can be a good comrade and contribute to the greatness of the Liquidian people! A. That wasn't a question, but ok... People who haven't payed their taxes: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? ... We are sorry, but it seems like we have lost all record of your transactions. Please re-enter your transactions, or send a check to the Liquidia Collection Agency. If you have any questions or grievances, please contact the People's Extermination And Criminal Justice Department for more details.
Sorry, can't pay taxes. watching one piece.
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Jugan- I wasn't the one who filed a complaint against you.
If if makes you feel like more of a man, however, I could start complaining to everyone about how emotionally damaged you've made me, and how I'm clearly a shell of my former self. Anything to make you feel better. 
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On April 20 2010 11:51 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:Jugan- I wasn't the one who filed a complaint against you. If if makes you feel like more of a man, however, I could start complaining to everyone about how emotionally damaged you've made me, and how I'm clearly a shell of my former self. Anything to make you feel better.
Nah man, when you insult someone, you have to be ready to accept an insult back. I'm sorry some people couldn't handle some "shady" insults, I just figured it was better some things other people are saying:
"Okay basically you're going around sucking peoples dicks"
or
"Fuck all of you. You are all noobs."
or
"This game is shit. lets watch one piece"
If me calling you a donkey truly hurt your feelings then I'm sorry for calling you a donkey. I just felt you were completely ignorant to events that transgressed and I sought to rectify it. I didn't call you a donkey to make my dick feel bigger, I called you a donkey because I felt you were acting like one. I doubt ANYONE complained about me, and if someone actually did, I apologize to them. However, they could have told me directly if they had a problem with me.
I personally think that flamewheel is just trying to shape the game into something HE thinks is fun, when he is in fact ruining a lot of the fun aspects of it (especially being too lazy to start the game off with clues). It's just sad he's making me into the scapegoat, but that's okay, my posting has been a bit abrasive.
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I wasn't being serious at all about the hurt feelings part. I really couldn't care less about being called a donkey, especially over the internet. I agree with you on having to be ready to accept an insult back, which im guessing is why we've been trading them for the last 10 pages or so.
For the record, I completely agree that people saying things like "this game is shit, lets watch one piece" is bullshit. I think I mentioned that specific post in a post earlier about how a lot of the vets werent being helpful
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Maybe starting off the game by trolling and then insulting people later on is not the best way to make friends. Even you're tone in you're "apology" is extremely sarcastic and arrogant, maybe you just need to learn how to respect others.
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On April 20 2010 12:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I wasn't being serious at all about the hurt feelings part. I really couldn't care less about being called a donkey, especially over the internet. I agree with you on having to be ready to accept an insult back, which im guessing is why we've been trading them for the last 10 pages or so.
For the record, I completely agree that people saying things like "this game is shit, lets watch one piece" is bullshit. I think I mentioned that specific post in a post earlier about how a lot of the vets werent being helpful
Yeah I figured you didn't care in the slightest, and I didn't care when someone called me a dick sucker LOL.
I just find it funny that someone makes two posts, one of which saying "this game is shit", and the person running that game stepping in and defending that person.
Everyone plays the game in different ways, that's what a MAFIA is all about. I'll cut down on the insults though, and protoss does have a point. I HOPE WE CAN BECOME BEST BUDDIES GUYS!
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