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[SPL] Grand Finals: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 400

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FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
August 20 2011 07:03 GMT
#7981
Flash is too good, and while Best was probably the 'best' choice, I would've loved to see Flash ruin Bisu's season completely.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
August 20 2011 07:22 GMT
#7982
wow flash. forced best to expand northward instead of westward with that manner ebay so that he wouldnt have to deal with highground and bridges when he starts to move out. small things like that... what a genius.
Woo Jung Ho
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
August 20 2011 07:46 GMT
#7983
400 pages. Longest BW tourney thread ever? Long live BW. Broodwar for life :D
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
August 20 2011 08:06 GMT
#7984
On August 20 2011 16:03 FirstProbe wrote:
Flash is too good, and while Best was probably the 'best' choice, I would've loved to see Flash ruin Bisu's season completely.



How could it ruin the best season from a player in proleague history?
Of course it would be a blow, but atm there is no player who can expectively beat flash. BeSt was the best choice imho, but flash is just unstoppable.
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4380 Posts
August 20 2011 08:09 GMT
#7985
What did people think of the venue? Watching the VODs again, it looked pretty sick.

Poll: What did people think of the venue?

No Gwangahli Beach but still was good! (44)
 
75%

Excellent! (11)
 
19%

Meh (2)
 
3%

No that good (2)
 
3%

59 total votes

Your vote: What did people think of the venue?

(Vote): Excellent!
(Vote): No Gwangahli Beach but still was good!
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No that good

Sucker for nostalgia
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 20 2011 08:44 GMT
#7986
nah it may not be gwangahli beach but to me it's still a decent venue for the proleague finals what's up with the hate =.= .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Mista_Masta
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands557 Posts
August 20 2011 08:45 GMT
#7987
Wow, close series! Gratz to KT =)
Vargavaka
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden111 Posts
August 20 2011 08:55 GMT
#7988
A worthy final for sure. Excitement, drama and a fair few good games to booth.

The only thing I'm disappointed by is the ace match. Not that the game was bad, that Best didn't perform or even that it was a bad choice to pick him. For all I know he has spent the last month exclusively practicing to face Flash.

No, it was a rational decision to pick Best. But it was a weak and anti-climatic decision. I'm not even a fan of Bisu but I can recognize that his performance has been absolutely remarkable this year. He has been solid as a rock through the whole year, stayed around a stable 80% win ratio, racked up a string of all-kills and set a new record for the most amount of wins in a season. How you can play like that and not be graced by playing as the ace in the final game of the year is beyond me. Honestly now, relegated to fend off a hydrabust from a mediocre zerg? Is that how you play your trump card that has carried the team through the whole season?
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 20 2011 08:59 GMT
#7989
im so proud i didnt spoiler myself and watched it ! great drama
This is our town, scrub
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
August 20 2011 09:15 GMT
#7990
Shinedown and Fall Out Boy are still ringing in my head.

Bisu vs Flash could have been cool, but it could also be one sided like the MST... there are too many what ifs.

I just hope Best is alright after all that, that's just rough.

Any figures for spectator/viewer count? Venue looked pretty packed, but it's all relative to how big the venue is...
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
August 20 2011 09:25 GMT
#7991
The Ace match choice was not only cowardish and robbed the fans of a super Ace match of the ages but it was also wrong. There must have been going something seriously wrong in the SKT house to come up with that decision.

- Bisu has the better mechanics. Best is rusty, Bisu is on top of his game.
- Bisu is on a fucking roll this season. Even his PvT was on top. 80 fucking per cent. On the other side Best was slumping.
- Bisu has the experience to perform on the biggest stages and proven that he can withstand the pressure. Best not.
- Best's streak against Flash is not really relevant for this decision. It is not a Best/Bisu vs. Flash, it is Best/Bisu vs. T or Flash vs. P. This is not like rock, paper, scissors where one player's style is good against A but bad against B. Best's 6-5 against Flash was nothing but a statistical deviation based on some overperformances by Best and some mistakes by Flash. You can't expect that to randomly repeat.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 20 2011 10:02 GMT
#7992
Woooo just watched vods, Glad that KT won, gladder that SKT1 lost :p
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
mevshero
Profile Joined December 2009
911 Posts
August 20 2011 10:06 GMT
#7993
400 pages

congratulations to us all
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50595 Posts
August 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#7994
On August 20 2011 14:57 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 14:49 Bisu-Fan wrote:
OH MY GOSH.... I just watched the whole series... Fantastic games... Epic defense and just watching Fantasy and Bisu defend so amazing.... So even though SKT lost, I'm not as mad... But in my opinion, Best going out for the ACE match was too predictable in my opinion... I mean... Fantasy is unbeaten in Finals games~ and I think that would have really (as much as possible... however small that may be) taken Flash aback~

Well... It's ok SKT fans~! We'll show KTFlash fans who's really boss in the MSL when Bisu gets a full series with Flash~ 3:0 incoming y'all~

Edit: spelling


Isn't Flash pulling out of the MSL for his surgery? I'm afraid you're going to have to settle for a Bisu 3:0 of Jaedong.


but isn't MSL resuming only after 11-12 season starts?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
fazek42
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Hungary438 Posts
August 20 2011 10:41 GMT
#7995
Wow, really great finals! Shows how awesome BroodWar truly is! FlaSh played an absolutely amazing ace game, I am always very impressed at how smart that guy is. Not only does he have impeccable micro and macro, but his game-sense and vast knowledge on BW is awe-inspiring. He is a tactical and strategical genius, always able to come up with something perfectly suited to the situation. So well rounded, so smart.

And yes, 400 pages. Wow. Shows yet again that BW is the only true E-SPORT. Long live BW!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 10:45:07
August 20 2011 10:43 GMT
#7996
On August 20 2011 17:06 schaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 16:03 FirstProbe wrote:
Flash is too good, and while Best was probably the 'best' choice, I would've loved to see Flash ruin Bisu's season completely.



How could it ruin the best season from a player in proleague history?
Of course it would be a blow, but atm there is no player who can expectively beat flash. BeSt was the best choice imho, but flash is just unstoppable.

sorry to burst your bubble, but flash had the best proleague player history last year, not as many wins but he had BOTH troophies (WL and PL).

You cant argue that it would put a black mark on bisu's most wins, if he cant beat his closest rival ^^
On August 20 2011 19:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 14:57 red4ce wrote:
On August 20 2011 14:49 Bisu-Fan wrote:
OH MY GOSH.... I just watched the whole series... Fantastic games... Epic defense and just watching Fantasy and Bisu defend so amazing.... So even though SKT lost, I'm not as mad... But in my opinion, Best going out for the ACE match was too predictable in my opinion... I mean... Fantasy is unbeaten in Finals games~ and I think that would have really (as much as possible... however small that may be) taken Flash aback~

Well... It's ok SKT fans~! We'll show KTFlash fans who's really boss in the MSL when Bisu gets a full series with Flash~ 3:0 incoming y'all~

Edit: spelling


Isn't Flash pulling out of the MSL for his surgery? I'm afraid you're going to have to settle for a Bisu 3:0 of Jaedong.


but isn't MSL resuming only after 11-12 season starts?

He probally wont be playing till after round 1 (atleast) or 2 (probally only a part of it if at all), since he had 3 months recovery time on the surgery, afaik thats what it said in the interview atleast
In the woods, there lurks..
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 20 2011 10:49 GMT
#7997
On August 20 2011 18:25 Fenrax wrote:
The Ace match choice was not only cowardish and robbed the fans of a super Ace match of the ages but it was also wrong. There must have been going something seriously wrong in the SKT house to come up with that decision.

- Bisu has the better mechanics. Best is rusty, Bisu is on top of his game.
- Bisu is on a fucking roll this season. Even his PvT was on top. 80 fucking per cent. On the other side Best was slumping.
- Bisu has the experience to perform on the biggest stages and proven that he can withstand the pressure. Best not.
- Best's streak against Flash is not really relevant for this decision. It is not a Best/Bisu vs. Flash, it is Best/Bisu vs. T or Flash vs. P. This is not like rock, paper, scissors where one player's style is good against A but bad against B. Best's 6-5 against Flash was nothing but a statistical deviation based on some overperformances by Best and some mistakes by Flash. You can't expect that to randomly repeat.

I think its funny that some fans think that they know better than the actual players and coaches do without knowing their practice methods, the month of prep they went through, strategies they considered, etc. BeSt, Bisu, Park and Oov know what they're capable of a lot better than we do; hell they know what KT's players are capable of better than we do. You judge their form without having seen them play in a month (20 days for BeSt) while the coaches base their decisions on daily practice results. BeSt and Bisu know what their strong points are, and the fact that the team decided BeSt should play vs Flash means they calculated that they would have the best chances of winning that way (even if certain fanboys disagree).

Your statements of calling the team's decisions cowardly and saying there had to be something wrong with them to make that choice is a huge case of monday morning quarterbacking. SKT got favorable matchups in every game because their coaches spent countless hours calculating how best to approach these games. They know what they are doing, and they (the players and coaches) deserve better for their efforts than to be belittled by fans like you.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
August 20 2011 10:52 GMT
#7998
I guess sending Best has a reason. After all, the whole team and staff had agreed to let him take the ACE match. It's just because he lost that we'll never be able to know what it actually was. I bet the decision was tough as hell too, but someone had to call the shots.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
August 20 2011 10:59 GMT
#7999
I don't think it matters what the reason was, it was wrong. Flash beats best. Ace match rolls along so they send out Best again. why? because he had a secret strategy? because he had a better chance than Bisu?

Only thing that i can think of is Bisu flat out said im not playing the Ace match because i'll lose.
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
August 20 2011 11:04 GMT
#8000
On August 20 2011 19:49 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 18:25 Fenrax wrote:
The Ace match choice was not only cowardish and robbed the fans of a super Ace match of the ages but it was also wrong. There must have been going something seriously wrong in the SKT house to come up with that decision.

- Bisu has the better mechanics. Best is rusty, Bisu is on top of his game.
- Bisu is on a fucking roll this season. Even his PvT was on top. 80 fucking per cent. On the other side Best was slumping.
- Bisu has the experience to perform on the biggest stages and proven that he can withstand the pressure. Best not.
- Best's streak against Flash is not really relevant for this decision. It is not a Best/Bisu vs. Flash, it is Best/Bisu vs. T or Flash vs. P. This is not like rock, paper, scissors where one player's style is good against A but bad against B. Best's 6-5 against Flash was nothing but a statistical deviation based on some overperformances by Best and some mistakes by Flash. You can't expect that to randomly repeat.

I think its funny that some fans think that they know better than the actual players and coaches do without knowing their practice methods, the month of prep they went through, strategies they considered, etc. BeSt, Bisu, Park and Oov know what they're capable of a lot better than we do; hell they know what KT's players are capable of better than we do. You judge their form without having seen them play in a month (20 days for BeSt) while the coaches base their decisions on daily practice results. BeSt and Bisu know what their strong points are, and the fact that the team decided BeSt should play vs Flash means they calculated that they would have the best chances of winning that way (even if certain fanboys disagree).

Your statements of calling the team's decisions cowardly and saying there had to be something wrong with them to make that choice is a huge case of monday morning quarterbacking. SKT got favorable matchups in every game because their coaches spent countless hours calculating how best to approach these games. They know what they are doing, and they (the players and coaches) deserve better for their efforts than to be belittled by fans like you.


Said it better than I could've Moopie
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