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On January 17 2014 17:32 kushm4sta wrote:
how does point 1 get me sheeped?? When people claim VT for no reason that is a huge benefit for scum.
Do you think he got VT then was like, oh let me just claim it for no reason? no. I think he did it because he thought it would make him look town.
lots of people will lynch you for shitting on VT claims because they blindly follow scumhunting methods. the kenpachi stuff.
time to read koshi post
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its ok because next time as scum I am going to be indecisive as fuck ofc
more importantly:
nubs read this
agree or disagree?
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On January 17 2014 17:34 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck thrawn metasolved me
actually i'm just rephrasing something you said a very long time ago when you were pissed that people claimed to know how to meta read you lol. you change ur meta lots. but there is underlying meta that seems to be impossible for you to change
and there are some other things but i want to at least keep some of it for myself lol
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koshi i agree about mig
but the more pressing issue is that hopless is mafia
also grack claimed doctor
and u r still scummy
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On January 17 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote:its ok because next time as scum I am going to be indecisive as fuck ofc more importantly: nubs read thisagree or disagree?
He could be scum because I don't consider him as scum at all.
Mig town? Why?
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Grack's claim was non alignment indicative.
Hmm this could be a bus. It feels a lot like a bus. Like koshi is too sure about Mig.
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On January 17 2014 17:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote:its ok because next time as scum I am going to be indecisive as fuck ofc more importantly: nubs read thisagree or disagree? He could be scum because I don't consider him as scum at all. Mig town? Why?
bolded is really really good reason that i thought of earlier but forgot to mention. koshi u not scummy now
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Mig last scumgame in database:
Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote:
Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive?
The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place. Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:36 Mig wrote:
I would be down with lynching palmar/igrok/taa
Palmar starts off with voting chaos for a retarded reason. Follows it up with defending igrok repeatedly with shitty reasoning. When asked his opinion on why igrok is a bad lynch and GGQ is better he responds again defending iGrok and doesn't even mention GGQ.
#Vote Palmar Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:48 Mig wrote:
What doesn't make sense about what I said concerning palmar?
Palmar's logic behind his vote for chaos and his defense of iGrok is flawed. When asked to give a reason for why he thinks GGQ is scummy he ignores it. Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Palmar you have spent practically all your time this game defending igrok instead of doing any actual scum hunting, which is extremely unlike you. Your initial reason for voting chaos was ridiculous and nonsensical. You said GGQ was a good lynch but once someone asked you why you completely ignored them, probably because you didn't actually have any reason behind it. Now you are voting me based on what exactly? Because I pointed out all the inconsistencies in your play? Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:49 Mig wrote:
Palmar I really laugh at you saying there is a 5% chance of iGrok flipping scum. Please can you show me anything that makes it so incredibly clear that iGrok is town, other than the retarded idea that because he random voted at the beginning of the game it makes him town.
I am sure most of the town has played several times with palmar's town play in the past. Does palmar ever defend anyone this hard day1 as town? It's completely opposite of palmar's normal play.
And you say I am trying to push policy lynches wtf? You are twisting things to try and make me appear scummy. Me pushing for your lynch because you are playing completely differently than normal and defending someone with horrible reasoning is in no way a policy lynch.
Really the only explanation for palmar's poor logic and his non stop insistence that iGrok is guaranteed town is that palmar is scum. Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote:
Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum.
Are you seeing this shit? It is the exact same.
1 person is scummy for Mig. All consecutive posts about this guy.
##vote: Mig
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Here is a consolidated hopeless case. The most important parts are kush's point #4 which is almost everything I talk about, and the evidence from Time to Die which grack mentioned.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2014 16:36 thrawn2112 wrote:hopeless i have no idea wtf you are doing right now you are voting kush, the last thing you said bout kush is that he is completely unreadable. the only reason you are lynching him is because Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process
option a) kush flips scum
option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego
option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd)
thats a win-win(-) to me. rayn said you can lynch him (lynch rayn) if kush flips green. but you don';t even think rayn is scum. so you've committed to lynching an unkown, and then a townread if the unkown flips green what the hell man On January 17 2014 17:00 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 16:46 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn i dont think it's an actual commitment that hopeless is making because the post is almost pure troll.
Has he ever trolled a lot as town? I don't remember it. oh and i think using pure troll logic to justify a vote on his null read even though he has a super-confident scum read is pretty scummy On January 17 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 16:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Mostly because when I have played with town Hopeless he is usually more open minded. In this game his reaction to me trying to talk to him reminded me of him in Pandain's mason chat in Time to Die. yes Show nested quote +Hopeless + Show Spoiler + Pandain
11-22-2013
11:20 PM ET (US)
EDIT
DELETE
So now that I'm pretty obvious town who do you think is scum and town
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Pandain
11-22-2013
01:35 PM ET (US)
stop lol
I hope youre scum because if so this is extra hilarious
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hopeless1der
11-22-2013
01:34 PM ET (US)
Now you want to chat? Nah, not wasting my time. gg scum
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Pandain
11-22-2013
01:28 PM ET (US)
who else are you suspicious of and who do you think is town
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Pandain
11-21-2013
11:00 PM ET (US)
stop im not scum lol
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:43 PM ET (US)
jk
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hopeless1der
11-21-2013
05:41 PM ET (US)
well that was fun, we should do this again some time. gotta go out shortly. If there was a point to masoning me be sure to mention for when I'm back.
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)
yes
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)
lol
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hopeless1der
11-21-2013
05:24 PM ET (US)
oh this should be good. you need me to proofread your case on rayn before you post it?
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-21-2013
05:02 PM ET (US)
Pandain and Hopeless1der mason Day 3/Night 3 most of this page On January 17 2014 17:22 kushm4sta wrote:1 vt claim Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
i'm catching up on AGDQ i missed out on. I'm just peachy. No wait banana-y hopeless claimed vt. I don't think he'd be dumb enough to do this as an actual vt. It's actually a deeply anti town thing to do in this setup. 2 scum perspective Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:10 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 16 2014 10:08 Cephiro wrote:On January 16 2014 10:01 Toadesstern wrote:
So Ceph, what was your your thought process when you figured it's a good idea to explain that there's no self-aware millers?
There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller. My thought process was this long: 1. See false information in thread 2. Post right information in thread 3. ??? 4. Answer your question about my thought process. There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game. considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense. He provides a scum perspective, which he thinks will look helpful in this context. 3 Restating other people's ideas A lot of his content has been elucidating other people's points to try to look helpful: Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 01:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
That is the basic idea behind what rayn is saying you did skanjab. And here you are maintaining that your case is legit and sn0 is totes scum for joking about lynching the host when there were basically no posts in thread. Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:58 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 17 2014 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad:
1) "The way he is posting" is a bullshit argument. It's an argument people use when they can't make real arguments. It's just like saying "his tone is scummy". Look at his past games, come back and tell me how does it differ. All the games, not just one.
2) No, i have been saying it all the time. Explain, with quotes. All the time, after Mig posted, i have said his posts are suspicious. If you are talking about something else here explain what and elaborate properly. About 2) I didn't see any quotes or explanations in the post I quoted. Just a one- or twoliner that looked like throwing mud. About 1) it's exactly what got Xatalos got lynched in the failgame. It's essentially the same thing because it's not a thing that is limited to Xatalos but a LOT of mafias. Toad that catalogs point is very different. Marv and rayn were very specific in saying that Xata does something as scum that he DOESN'T do as town. There is no basis to make that comparison on sn0's behalf unless he has literally never made a wishywashy statement ever before (since he's never rolled scum before) Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:11 HopeOn January 17 2014 08:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
right. rayn's argument is that kush does not have the ability to flip town.
less1der wrote:On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know  ) that mig is town no that statement says mig os scum or rayn is scum. with the corollary that sn0 is town if mig is scum Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 08:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
right. rayn's argument is that kush does not have the ability to flip town. 4 His voting is not consistent with his reads Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:27 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 17 2014 07:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hopeless, how come all of your posts involve neither scumhunting nor any sort of insight into your reads?
because you cant read between the lines. also my reads are maleable. grack is scum. skan is probably scum. kush (who i havent really commented on) is unreadable to me so far. I wouldnt cry if he was lynched. This post that thrawn brought up already. He indicates 2 people who he believes are more likely to flip scum than me, including someone who IS scum. And he votes me shortly after without any indication that his read on me has changed.
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Koshi could you please talk about hopeless? i like your points about Mig, but I don't like how you're ignoring the obvious issue.
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On January 17 2014 17:33 Koshi wrote:
Grack is scum for being away from the thread for 15 hours or so. Same as in LXIII, trolling into 15 hours afk. Pretty sure he didn't do it in any other game.
I'm establishing a new meta? 
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On January 17 2014 08:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i distinctly remember someone commenting on rayns game saying that he has good day1 reads and he gets worse over time. anyone remember who and when that was?
This was marv and it was in Intrigue.
My conspiracy senses are telling me that Hopeless knew this and was pushing Kush like this. So if Hopeless is scum Kush is town.
After reading filter I guess that Hopeless is on the Grack/Kush are scum boat with rayn. However, he is not really defending or giving reasons why Snow is town and he is talking to Snow as if he is talking to a scumsuspect. So that's quite strange.
Hopeless was also very vocal around the rayn/mig/toad 1 is scum period. He was sounding pretty confident and not trolly there. He might know more.
All in all. Not really sure. Way less feelings about Hopeless scum than Mig/Grack.
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Koshi have you read all the stuff I said about hopeless? He hasn't called kush scum the entire game. The only thing he's ever said about kush is that he finds kush unreadable. So why is he voting him? Why is he voting kush over any of his scumreads, especially grack who hopless has been adamnt about all game? Here's why:
On January 17 2014 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
can i lynch you if your wrong rayn?
On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process
option a) kush flips scum
option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego
option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd)
thats a win-win(-) to me.
Might be serious.... might just be trolling. Either option is really scummy. Either option is a terrible reason to justify voting for what he calls an unkown. I think Grack also made a good point about the way hopeless treating grack at the start being similar to how hopeless treated pandain in mason chats from Time to Die. I've already pulled those mason logs, they are in the consolidated case.
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Yeah, I think that hopeless is scum, I agree with thrawn and kush's cases.
##Unvote
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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Why is hopeless scummier than sn0 twe3k?
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On January 17 2014 17:49 Koshi wrote:Mig last scumgame in database: Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote:
Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive?
The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place. On September 09 2011 06:36 Mig wrote:
I would be down with lynching palmar/igrok/taa
Palmar starts off with voting chaos for a retarded reason. Follows it up with defending igrok repeatedly with shitty reasoning. When asked his opinion on why igrok is a bad lynch and GGQ is better he responds again defending iGrok and doesn't even mention GGQ.
#Vote Palmar On September 09 2011 06:48 Mig wrote:
What doesn't make sense about what I said concerning palmar?
Palmar's logic behind his vote for chaos and his defense of iGrok is flawed. When asked to give a reason for why he thinks GGQ is scummy he ignores it. On September 09 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Palmar you have spent practically all your time this game defending igrok instead of doing any actual scum hunting, which is extremely unlike you. Your initial reason for voting chaos was ridiculous and nonsensical. You said GGQ was a good lynch but once someone asked you why you completely ignored them, probably because you didn't actually have any reason behind it. Now you are voting me based on what exactly? Because I pointed out all the inconsistencies in your play? On September 09 2011 09:49 Mig wrote:
Palmar I really laugh at you saying there is a 5% chance of iGrok flipping scum. Please can you show me anything that makes it so incredibly clear that iGrok is town, other than the retarded idea that because he random voted at the beginning of the game it makes him town.
I am sure most of the town has played several times with palmar's town play in the past. Does palmar ever defend anyone this hard day1 as town? It's completely opposite of palmar's normal play.
And you say I am trying to push policy lynches wtf? You are twisting things to try and make me appear scummy. Me pushing for your lynch because you are playing completely differently than normal and defending someone with horrible reasoning is in no way a policy lynch.
Really the only explanation for palmar's poor logic and his non stop insistence that iGrok is guaranteed town is that palmar is scum. On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote:
Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum. Are you seeing this shit? It is the exact same. 1 person is scummy for Mig. All consecutive posts about this guy. ##vote: Mig
koshi this is weak. His approach is completely different in this game. That game was more of a nitpick that turned into a tunnel.
Plus Mig has only been active for a very short period of time, so you can't expect him to have pushed a bunch of different people.
Also he has mentioned other people he found scummy (cephiro and someone else).
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also why are you ignoring hopeless, koshi?
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On January 17 2014 18:25 thrawn2112 wrote:Koshi have you read all the stuff I said about hopeless? He hasn't called kush scum the entire game. The only thing he's ever said about kush is that he finds kush unreadable. So why is he voting him? Why is he voting kush over any of his scumreads, especially grack who hopless has been adamnt about all game? Here's why: Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
can i lynch you if your wrong rayn? Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process
option a) kush flips scum
option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego
option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd)
thats a win-win(-) to me. Might be serious.... might just be trolling. Either option is really scummy. Either option is a terrible reason to justify voting for what he calls an unkown. I think Grack also made a good point about the way hopeless treating grack at the start being similar to how hopeless treated pandain in mason chats from Time to Die. I've already pulled those mason logs, they are in the consolidated case.
His playstyle doesn't look like the one from Time to Die though. He was pushing Pandain senselessly there, I just reread and remembered thinking that for the entire game.
I don't agree on Hopeless. meh. He radiates being insanely useless which is like Witchraft II.
But my townread on you is 54327 times stronger than the read I have on Hopeless. Could sheep.
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On January 17 2014 19:38 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 17:49 Koshi wrote:Mig last scumgame in database: On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote:
Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive?
The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place. On September 09 2011 06:36 Mig wrote:
I would be down with lynching palmar/igrok/taa
Palmar starts off with voting chaos for a retarded reason. Follows it up with defending igrok repeatedly with shitty reasoning. When asked his opinion on why igrok is a bad lynch and GGQ is better he responds again defending iGrok and doesn't even mention GGQ.
#Vote Palmar On September 09 2011 06:48 Mig wrote:
What doesn't make sense about what I said concerning palmar?
Palmar's logic behind his vote for chaos and his defense of iGrok is flawed. When asked to give a reason for why he thinks GGQ is scummy he ignores it. On September 09 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Palmar you have spent practically all your time this game defending igrok instead of doing any actual scum hunting, which is extremely unlike you. Your initial reason for voting chaos was ridiculous and nonsensical. You said GGQ was a good lynch but once someone asked you why you completely ignored them, probably because you didn't actually have any reason behind it. Now you are voting me based on what exactly? Because I pointed out all the inconsistencies in your play? On September 09 2011 09:49 Mig wrote:
Palmar I really laugh at you saying there is a 5% chance of iGrok flipping scum. Please can you show me anything that makes it so incredibly clear that iGrok is town, other than the retarded idea that because he random voted at the beginning of the game it makes him town.
I am sure most of the town has played several times with palmar's town play in the past. Does palmar ever defend anyone this hard day1 as town? It's completely opposite of palmar's normal play.
And you say I am trying to push policy lynches wtf? You are twisting things to try and make me appear scummy. Me pushing for your lynch because you are playing completely differently than normal and defending someone with horrible reasoning is in no way a policy lynch.
Really the only explanation for palmar's poor logic and his non stop insistence that iGrok is guaranteed town is that palmar is scum. On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote:
Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum. Are you seeing this shit? It is the exact same. 1 person is scummy for Mig. All consecutive posts about this guy. ##vote: Mig koshi this is weak. His approach is completely different in this game. That game was more of a nitpick that turned into a tunnel. Plus Mig has only been active for a very short period of time, so you can't expect him to have pushed a bunch of different people. Also he has mentioned other people he found scummy (cephiro and someone else).
What? It is exactly the same.
+ I am working.
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On January 17 2014 19:40 kushm4sta wrote:
also why are you ignoring hopeless, koshi?
Why are you ignoring Mig, Kush?
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