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On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent.
You know a post like this makes it real easy for BH to say that you're just scum trying to appease him.
For the record I agree with most of your post---I'm not sure how forwardly he's pushing the thread atm, nor do I think his devising of the actual RNG was 'brilliant' as much as 'necessary.' It was the logical progression from that discussion---without a way to actually perform RNG there was no point in discussing it further and I personally did not think of a way to do it.
I'd also be careful about how 'sincere' you think BH is. He is a Wile E. guy. (Who i think is town)
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Hai Rayn.
Why didn't you tear up my post?
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On September 28 2013 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Oops, got cut, second last. Thi Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:On September 28 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where is Rayn? Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum. s one:
Pretty sure you pushed FT lynch in GoT. Don't remember any other games you flipped scum in. So yeah. FT full of shit.
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On September 28 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai Rayn.
Why didn't you tear up my post?
Because i don't have to. It's just wrong.
What do you think of what i just said about FT?
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On September 28 2013 03:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent. You know a post like this makes it real easy for BH to say that you're just scum trying to appease him. For the record I agree with most of your post---I'm not sure how forwardly he's pushing the thread atm, nor do I think his devising of the actual RNG was 'brilliant' as much as 'necessary.' It was the logical progression from that discussion---without a way to actually perform RNG there was no point in discussing it further and I personally did not think of a way to do it. I'd also be careful about how 'sincere' you think BH is. He is a Wile E. guy. (Who i think is town)
You know, fuck pussyfooting around it, reading your filter atm.
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On September 28 2013 03:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Oops, got cut, second last. Thi On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:On September 28 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where is Rayn? Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum. s one: Pretty sure you pushed FT lynch in GoT. Don't remember any other games you flipped scum in. So yeah. FT full of shit.
FT is like the easiest lynch to push if you are scum. Especially on D1. Yes, he's full of shit.
town or scum full of shit? smells like scum FT again to me.
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On September 28 2013 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai Rayn.
Why didn't you tear up my post? Because i don't have to. It's just wrong. What do you think of what i just said about FT?
Starting a read of his filter atm.
Why is it wrong, Rayn? I have my own reasons but I want to hear yours.
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Yup, Rayn town. Damn was I wrong.
Still wouldn't mind an explanation regarding my post though because I'm fairly certain our reasons are different.
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On September 28 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yup, Rayn town. Damn was I wrong.
Still wouldn't mind an explanation regarding my post though because I'm fairly certain our reasons are different.
Oh but fuck multi-scumteam game....
FUCk I gotta keep my thoughts straight.
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On September 28 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Epiphany: Rayn is scum. He is pushing me really strongly off the bat and entering his shit-rayn tunnel-mode. He is capable of this as both town and scum. Why does this make him scum? He knows he can get me lynched.When we were both town in Persona he pushed me relentlessly and got me lynched D1 (I played a shit game and probs deserved it but whatever). I didn't go down without a fight and much of that first day was us calling each other scum---and yet he won in the end with spam and yelling and whatnot as Rayn is wont to do. Rayn's original reasoning outside of this case on me that game is because I was being belligerent and refusing to address him, 'even though he gave me chances.' He gave me a few opportunities to deal with him but I didn't want to bother, so he got me lynched. He learned his lesson about this supposedly after the game and so I believe as town he wouldn't attempt this sort of a push again because of how detrimental it would be to the atmosphere and to the town in general. In this game yes I am being belligerent once again but I am also being transparent and actively engaging everyone. Scum Rayn has picked out that he can try and get me lynched based on the belligerence and perceived 'emo-ness' of my posting thus far despite the fact that I am playing fundamentally differently to Persona, and ultimately way more towny. Given the chance, he may very well succeed as overall Rayn is pretty damn good at pushing lynches. He is taking the 'safe' route here---something he knows he can get done and he won't look overly bad when I do flip town because not only do some other people suspect me atm, but it is something a town Rayn 'would' do. Rayn and Vayne, the rhyming scum.(Not necessarily on same team though  )
In short.
The 4 Persona game has nothing to do with this game.
I am not tunneling you. I am not shutting everyone down and yelling everyone to vote for you.
That's basically it.
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Also you are not even defending yourself WoS. Your post has nothing to do with defending yourself. You did something that's really unlike tocome from town!WoS because as town you are really good player. As scum you are too, but what you did really is scummy and inexusable if you are town.
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okay whats going on
i read some pages
looks like bh rng'd koshi?
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On September 28 2013 03:18 Blazinghand wrote:
And if you think I'm trying to push an RNG lynch you really don't understand what I've been saying about it these past pages at all. The point is, people who like an RNG lynch might just be trying not to contribute or whatever. So we ACTUALLY RNG a person, and now it's not "RNG lynch", it's "RNG Koshi lynch" and people have to actually take stances.
okay so
i think that this is sort of true, but (one) point of random lynch is that random lynch does a better job of finding scum than the collective analysis of the town looking at day 1 filters. if that's what you're getting at then everyone should just vote koshi completely regardless of the value of his filter. however, if you're getting at the "scum don't like random lynch because they are afraid it will decrease their ability to control the lynch and keep it from landing on them" then you can only get the effects of that from proposing a random lynch without specifying a target and getting people to agree before they know what the target is.
so what you're doing here is neither of those?
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On September 27 2013 07:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I see the argument for a random lynch. Not all scum will argue against it if it happens to land on scum, since they won't know it's on scum (half of them). Also, given the skewed town/scum ratio this game (6 scum in a game of 19 players) we're more likely than normal to hit scum. I'd be in favor of this. How should we implement it?
BH lied - he's always been in favor of a Koshi lynch and now that he himself has implemented it (fairly, as he's attested) he's backing off of it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi
I can't wait to see some actual content from the guy - it will be interesting to see how his lies intertwine.
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This whole randomlynch thing is and has been stupid throughout the game. Stop it, we are not random lynching.
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In favor of an RNG lynch - my bad, that should read "BH has always been in favor of an RNG lynch"
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On September 28 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This whole randomlynch thing is and has been stupid throughout the game. Stop it, we are not random lynching.
koshi still scum though
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You didn't shut everyone down in that game either. You yelled at people to vote for me but you did allow the conversation to go to other places at times.
I dunno I'm kinda disappointed I was expecting more.
Anyway FT read:
His entire 1-page filter reads like a scum manual.
On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet.
1) Give strong players townreads, throw out a couple others just to keep people honest, and be honest regarding unknowns, you don't want anyone on your ass you can't handle.
On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi
RNG debate. Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3 I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless. Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic.
2) RNG is BAD. No town will ever go for this so make sure to shut it down to look as towny as possible. Just in case this game actually is different though (considering the statistics) make it look like you'll consider it to appease people.
On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain? We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day.
3) Oh yeah, I gave this guy a scumread based on nothing huh? I'll delay this as long as I can and maybe people will forget.
On September 28 2013 03:30 FirmTofu wrote:
##vote: Koshi
I'm keeping my word here. BH's solution to the RNG problem is quite inventive. I will double check if it was truly random, but if it was I'm sticking with Koshi.
30% are pretty good odds.
BH, why aren't you voting Koshi?
On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone who supports RNG, myself included, should still scumhunt and make full use of the day. There is still much to say and much to find. Anyone who stops scumhunting should be subject to lynch as well.
On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent.
4) Shit, strong town player is on to me! Better appease him too and I have to stick with my RNG stance now that the bluff has been called!
The only issue I have with this narrative is it almost seems...too obvious? Also regarding what I said about BH's progression of the RNG discussion by actually RNGing someone----would scum really get caught by that? I'm not going to use 'too scummy to be scum' here because I hate that heuristic, but this would be a very good place for it. Overall i'd have to lean scum simply based on the narrative but also based on what I know about my thoughts towards RNG and how I acted about it vs how FT did. If we're 'Keeping it Simple, Stupid,' FT must be scum.
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On September 28 2013 04:10 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This whole randomlynch thing is and has been stupid throughout the game. Stop it, we are not random lynching. koshi still scum though
That's another thing. I don't agree though.
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On September 28 2013 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 07:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I see the argument for a random lynch. Not all scum will argue against it if it happens to land on scum, since they won't know it's on scum (half of them). Also, given the skewed town/scum ratio this game (6 scum in a game of 19 players) we're more likely than normal to hit scum. I'd be in favor of this. How should we implement it? BH lied - he's always been in favor of a Koshi lynch and now that he himself has implemented it (fairly, as he's attested) he's backing off of it. ##Unvote
##Vote: KoshiI can't wait to see some actual content from the guy - it will be interesting to see how his lies intertwine.
Did you want to vote me or vote BH?
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