EPTOn September 28 2013 04:22 strongandbig wrote:
##vote: palmar for now. when's deadline again? 02:00 GMT (+00:00)?
##vote: palmar for now. when's deadline again? 02:00 GMT (+00:00)?
We got 23,5h.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote: So you think BH is scum for it? And you're voting Koshi? I'm really not following you VE. I said I'm in favor of RNG. I don't know what it means with relation to BH - maybe he lied to get information, maybe he's lying now to get information, maybe he's scumbuddies with Koshi. I need to see content to see what it means in relation to BH. But the RNG is Koshi. Man up and vote. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
like honestly I could have rnged at any time but first yamato then FT seemed like a better idea to me than rnging a lynch. I figured I'd defuse the whole "rng" situation by actually rolling the dice so that people would get on my FT wagon. just like how a policy lynch seems like a good idea until you have a scumread, so too the rng lynch seems. also yeah FT is obviously trying to appease me, very funny FT | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:31 Blazinghand wrote: um yeah i was in favor of rng lynch not any more, i found ppl i wanted to lynch like honestly I could have rnged at any time but first yamato then FT seemed like a better idea to me than rnging a lynch. I figured I'd defuse the whole "rng" situation by actually rolling the dice so that people would get on my FT wagon. just like how a policy lynch seems like a good idea until you have a scumread, so too the rng lynch seems. also yeah FT is obviously trying to appease me, very funny FT Explain your FT suspicion to me as if you thought I was an idiot, which shouldn't be hard given that you expect me to believe this bullshit. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I said I'm in favor of RNG. I don't know what it means with relation to BH - maybe he lied to get information, maybe he's lying now to get information, maybe he's scumbuddies with Koshi. I need to see content to see what it means in relation to BH. But the RNG is Koshi. Man up and vote. If you say so. Can you provide a read on Koshi though so you're not 'opting out of town discourse' as BH says? Also if it is clear that we do not have support enough to get Koshi RNG lynched I will be switching back to Vayne. ##Unvote ##Vote: koshi Sorry guy, but VE told me to. If there is a chance RNG lynch goes through I want it for today. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 28 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Koshi can you show me where I specifically did this? I assume you're taking my calling town shit as 'town is shit if they lynch me cuz town always lynch town D1 and they bad lololol?' Where did I ever talk about myself getting lynched? Does my posting somehow belie that I am worried about it? Like....the first post where you brought up feeling bad about me made me think you were town but this one has me stumped. Again I'm inclined to think town because this is just such a convoluted way of thinking to come from scum. VE what do you think of the above post? Looking back at this now I'm honestly surprised Koshi never voted for me since he has openly called me a scumread a couple times now. Maybe now that I've voted for him he'll have a reason to. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Explain your FT suspicion to me as if you thought I was an idiot, which shouldn't be hard given that you expect me to believe this bullshit. So basically, I view a good way of distinguishing town from scum as "town can do some things more easily than scum can". Obviously, you would probably expect town to be promoting a good town environment, pushing reads, and taking strong stances. However, scum can also do these things. A skilled scum player (say, myself) could easily push reads and take strong stances. So how do we tell a scum player from a town player? Well, a big part of this is the player's mindset. It's one thing to make a push. But it's another thing to make a well-reasoned push. Scum can easily fake "X is scum", but not as easily fake "X is scum and here's my thought process as to why it happened!" because faking a mindset and chain of logic is inherently more difficult. When town players (most of the time) have a scumread, in their mind there is a REASON for it. This reason naturally comes through because they explain it to other townies in an attempt to get their target lynched. This explanation and reasoning is called a "push" or "case" most of the time. FT, in dropping his vote on Shiaopi (and dropping some mad suspicion on grack), did not show his mindset, his reasoning, his case. Someone astutely noted that given what FT has said, grack would be the natural vote! FT was very suspicious of grack and actually gave reasons (albeit shitty reasons) why grack might be scum. However, instead, with almost no explanation, FT voted ShiaoPi. When questioned on it later, he said, On September 28 2013 03:05 FirmTofu wrote: Of course it is a shit vote. I wanted ShiaoPi to contribute. It has served its purpose from what I can tell of ShiaoPi's filter. It provided the impetus for a contributing ShiaoPi. That, in itself, is reason enough to justify my actions. I knew my "reasoning" was weak at best. Consider my motivations of my action; consider the result I am trying to get. and earlier when questioned about his grack suspicion and asked for reasoning, he said, On September 27 2013 15:41 FirmTofu wrote: You can, and you will. I'm going to actually go to bed now. ^_^ and he never followed up. His only follow-up on return (besides backtracking his shiaopi vote, a VERY EASY thing for him to do since he provided no reasoning) was... On September 28 2013 03:30 FirmTofu wrote: ##vote: Koshi I'm keeping my word here. BH's solution to the RNG problem is quite inventive. I will double check if it was truly random, but if it was I'm sticking with Koshi. 30% are pretty good odds. BH, why aren't you voting Koshi? On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote: Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum. and of course calling me town. Where's his grack suspicion? Did he drop it for the RNG vote? Admittedly, he stated support for the RNG vote earlier, so the fact that he cast his vote for the RNG isn't terrible. But he scolds town to continue scumhunting, and does not do it himself. Where's the pressure on Rayne and Grack, his two supposed scumreads? Where's the attempt to hunt scum? Where's the accountability? There is none. FT is scum. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: I think that superficially it looks like scum trying to test the waters of a WoS lynch. Why would he need to test the waters when Oats and Rayn had voted for me and so many other people were openly suspicious? Like...I remember calling Grack out for this in GS and this doesn't look like quite the same thing. Even mroe perplexing will be that supposedly Koshi says he will be away until after lynch so we may not get any more info out of him. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Like this was my initial issue with your problem with FT in the first place. You say he provided no explanation, but he DID and you unfairly boiled it down to a policy vote and dismissed it! You never explained how I'm mistaken with that observation, and from what I've seen, a town FirmTofu is equally capable of making the posts you're saying MUST come from a scum FT. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Why would he need to test the waters when Oats and Rayn had voted for me and so many other people were openly suspicious? Like...I remember calling Grack out for this in GS and this doesn't look like quite the same thing. Even mroe perplexing will be that supposedly Koshi says he will be away until after lynch so we may not get any more info out of him. You wouldn't be asking this question if you replaced the bolded with "BH and VE had voted for me" now would you? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote: Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._. I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote: Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._. He is mega lynchbait, BH, but I do believe the scum narrative holds a little more water here. On September 28 2013 04:51 VisceraEyes wrote: You wouldn't be asking this question if you replaced the bolded with "BH and VE had voted for me" now would you? How so? Is Koshi the kind of player to 'respect the vets?' Not to mention I'm pretty sure YOU were one of the people openly suspicious of me as well---what would a scum Koshi need to vote for me? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote: He is mega lynchbait, BH, but I do believe the scum narrative holds a little more water here. How so? Is Koshi the kind of player to 'respect the vets?' Not to mention I'm pretty sure YOU were one of the people openly suspicious of me as well---what would a scum Koshi need to vote for me? I HAVE NEVER WAVE GOOD GOD | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves. I'm down for a yamato lynch. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Then I don't care if you lied about RNG. ^^ | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 27 2013 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote: You misunderstand me - I fully expect WoS to have confidence. But his whole "OH FUCK ME I'M TOWN CRY CRY CRY CRY" seems overplayed. I did something similar, but I didn't write a whole post on the matter - only made a little joke about it. And I'm slightly more dramatic than WoS. On September 28 2013 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not saying I unequivocally think you're scum - I'm saying I'd lynch you before I'd lynch VA. VA is posting more townlike than I'd expect from a scum VA, though to be honest I'm not really sure WHAT I expect of a scum VA because I'm not sure I've even played with such a beast. I think he's a far poorer lynch than yamato, who is clearly scum to me. And I think he's a poorer lynch than you because not only have you been consistently shitting on town, but now you're sheeping after scum. No bueno. And I know you explained the second one but maybe I'm slightly annoyed that you think i would be a better lynch than VA in any game. You can't say those posts aren't suspicion, VE. Not scumreads per se, but suspicion. In any case that's not important, more important is Koshi. Can you answer those questions in my post before this? | ||
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