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On November 01 2013 13:52 StorrZerg wrote:
my point is nyxnyxnyx you say one thing "ill try and do better with reads and not be inactive" when it seems like your doing exactly the opposite, lack of reads specially on how your voting, and lack of activity
if you compare to last game i'm doing a lot more. better is relative, my friend
talking about broken promises, i recall you were advocating a tighter game by towns, but you seem all over the place yourself. coulda condensed a lot of those 'reads' you had on me into one simple sentence, rather than a long post that serves no purpose. are you scum, storr?
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Enough meta discussion: here is my case (rehashed and with a few new topics) on JonnyLaw -
- Weak/forced cases on Vanesco/Poofter/Odin... doesn't try to come up with new arguments for the case but continues to push old, possibly debunked theories (odin not reading the thread comes to mind, I came up with a good counter-argument to that and he ignored it). Some people might say he is not scummy for actually pushing people, but I feel like the manner he pushes for people is not strong as town.
- Asks for everybodies top scum reads during night1: i've already expressed my concern with this... I still don't really see what use it is to know everybodies scum reads. But I could see this as just being over-eager.
- Obzy posted a solid analysis of this post (link) earlier:
On November 01 2013 07:00 JonnyLaw wrote:
No, if E00e flips town I feel okay dropping odin as a read.
He hasn't posted his reasoning for this even after being asked for it. I really don't understand this.
- (sorry if ppl dont like this point it but I hated hated hated this):
On November 01 2013 09:05 JonnyLaw wrote:
Yo...like I said.
Fuuuuuuuuuck this. He acts as if he KNEW 100% july was going to flip town yet his defenses of him were soooo freaking weak. Even I defended him better than that and I ended up lynching him anyways.
- He held back on switching his vote to July, and only switched it after being asked AND near the time I was considering swapping to Odin, as if he didn't want the Odin flip to happen anymore.
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On November 01 2013 14:16 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 13:59 Balla24 wrote:
Holy shit yes Storr.
Unfortunately, I couldn't see anything else that Jonny could possibly have picked on though, so even though he might have been a good lynch, him being away through his entire accusation certainly makes it hard to gain anything new. ill be honest, i think jonny had enough to convince me to go to odin, hell imo he had better reasons than myself going on july.
Like what? I don't agree with this at all.. please elaborate.
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On November 01 2013 14:27 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 14:16 StorrZerg wrote:On November 01 2013 13:59 Balla24 wrote:
Holy shit yes Storr.
Unfortunately, I couldn't see anything else that Jonny could possibly have picked on though, so even though he might have been a good lynch, him being away through his entire accusation certainly makes it hard to gain anything new. ill be honest, i think jonny had enough to convince me to go to odin, hell imo he had better reasons than myself going on july. Like what? I don't agree with this at all.. please elaborate.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=21#403
Quick summary. Odin is all over the place. He blatantly contradicts himself and pressures, then votes cake who will clearly not be lynched if he read the thread. He skimmed the posts and formed general opinions because he doesn't give a fuck who gets lynched. By his own admission he won't be here for another 24 hrs. So we have a spamming lurker on our hands. Kill the bastard.
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On November 01 2013 14:16 nyxnyxnyx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 13:52 StorrZerg wrote:
my point is nyxnyxnyx you say one thing "ill try and do better with reads and not be inactive" when it seems like your doing exactly the opposite, lack of reads specially on how your voting, and lack of activity if you compare to last game i'm doing a lot more. better is relative, my friend talking about broken promises, i recall you were advocating a tighter game by towns, but you seem all over the place yourself. coulda condensed a lot of those 'reads' you had on me into one simple sentence, rather than a long post that serves no purpose. are you scum, storr?
hardly breaking 10 posts for a 48 hour cycle with only 2 posts of some kind opinion, yet 3-4 vote swaps.
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On November 01 2013 14:16 nyxnyxnyx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 13:52 StorrZerg wrote:
my point is nyxnyxnyx you say one thing "ill try and do better with reads and not be inactive" when it seems like your doing exactly the opposite, lack of reads specially on how your voting, and lack of activity if you compare to last game i'm doing a lot more. better is relative, my friend talking about broken promises, i recall you were advocating a tighter game by towns, but you seem all over the place yourself. coulda condensed a lot of those 'reads' you had on me into one simple sentence, rather than a long post that serves no purpose. are you scum, storr?
what do are you looking for? I was advocating a lynch and very persistent that we got 7 people on someone. That happened. I tried to give town focus on 3 possible lynches. I gave my opinion.
you saying the post is "long" and has "no purpose" w/e
i posted it like that, so people could follow my train of thought. I didn't have a lot of fluff in my post. I had direct quotes of you, a sentence or two and an ending.
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On November 01 2013 14:47 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 14:16 nyxnyxnyx wrote:On November 01 2013 13:52 StorrZerg wrote:
my point is nyxnyxnyx you say one thing "ill try and do better with reads and not be inactive" when it seems like your doing exactly the opposite, lack of reads specially on how your voting, and lack of activity if you compare to last game i'm doing a lot more. better is relative, my friend talking about broken promises, i recall you were advocating a tighter game by towns, but you seem all over the place yourself. coulda condensed a lot of those 'reads' you had on me into one simple sentence, rather than a long post that serves no purpose. are you scum, storr? hardly breaking 10 posts for a 48 hour cycle with only 2 posts of some kind opinion, yet 3-4 vote swaps.
do you not understand what relative means
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I started writing this when the last post was nyx's on page 36, so I apologize if some things are not relevant anymore.
I don't like how you are (nyx) picking at the way that storr has been formatting his opinion. This is the third time he has formatted that way (cake, july, and now you). I and many others have made long posts, does that make us automatically scum?
Anyways nyx, we are trying to currently talk about Jonny and you end up jumping on storr at this moment and redirecting. Could you have waited a bit? (rhetorical question)
On the topic of Jonny, I really did not like his early game at all. He came out with a weak accusation on me (which was a complete grab at something non-existent and I shot down every point he made). He also tags thepoofter at the very end because my thought process agreed with him on one thing. He then says he likes cakeman's posts but only those that address me or poofter. He then says he will get back to me and poofter in a minute and nothing happens.
He then changes the subject on July and E00e. He then says that he is not sold on me but "whatever". That just seems like he doesn't want to push me because many people have commented back on him and he was in the questioning spotlight for a while. He seemed to back of just for the purpose of not being targeted anymore and instead went for 2 lurkers so that he would be safe for a while.
Later Jonny says that he is against lynching odin, but is ok with July/E00e/nyx. Most of those were lurkers at the time but why not Odin. He literally posted nothing up till that point but yet you protect him? Makes no sense.
He has been heavy on poofter since the get-go without ever giving actual reads on why he thinks poofter is scum. Now that I look at it more closely, poofter has been on cakeman's case and just a few posts ago cakeman said he still doesn't like poofter. I see no reason why Jonny has been so heavy on poofter but now I see that poofter was pretty aggressive on cake so maybe he is trying to deflect off of cake and onto poofter.
He makes a post with a "formatting error" and then comes back 30 minutes later that he had JUST caught up when he was in the forums at least 30 min beforehand at least. I just get weird vibes from that.
He then goes on Odin and saying that he was spamming when in fact both of them were arguing and spamming.
Again later he says he will vote poofter if there will be majority. Afraid to vote and be called out again? Seems like now he just wants to blend in.
Later on he agrees that his accusation on my was poor but "at least it got a discussion". Well if it was poor then why were you so hesitant to drop it?
Later on he agrees with cakeman, who he has been the player that poofter didn't like early game. He keeps defending cakeman further saying that we only looked at the bad post on the first page. He also says "Odin coming in throwing out names and then voting cakeman who will not be lynched". He seems fairly confident that cakeman won't be lynched.
Later on he comes out with this post
I really wanted to push poofter into posting and see what he said about my post on Van.
That's why I included him at the end of the post. Poofter was always the guy I wanted pressure but I thought doing it by pressuring van could be more effective. He did respond. Then I made my case on him, which I stand by. I do not think I could get poofter lynched day 1 and still do not.
There are so many wrong things its hard to begin. You were pressuring me is basically your way of saying you tried to jump on me, town jumped on you instead and then you backed off. If you wanted to pressure poofter then do that, not somebody else. That is probably one of the most worst ways to ever pressure someone. If you did not think you could lynch poofter day 1 then why go on him with no reads given so far on him in the game. Seems like your waiting for him to tell you things instead of having your own actual reads.
Jonny is also the first one to find that cakeman is listed twice. A strange coincidence to me.
After that he keeps wanting an Odin lynch all the way until this very post. The only thing he has said about Odin is about him his lies of how many times he has read the thread. Those are not even really too relevant to the game. It is probably one of the weakest points you can make on Odin being scummy.
OVERALL:
Jonny is reading super scummy to me. None of his people he has had major reads on which are myself, poofter, and Odin have any good accusations and seem to be reaching. Also it seems like a pattern of Jonny defending cakeman has come up WAY to many times. I would say I think Jonny is a strong scum read for me atm with cakeman as his partner, but I would have to review cakeman's play 1 more time before feeling completely confident in adding him in with Jonny.
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Have to go to sleep now... sad that Jonny dissapeared, but maybe he's working on something ^_^. Odin, you were supposed to post something concise and you haven't posted at all 
I'll be back in 8hrs..
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@Balla, Sorry it's taking some time. I will keep my word though. I have a analysis in progess.
Sadly, it is a short novel though.
I could post up just my reads, but I'd rather give the rest of you my thought process behind it.
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A question I do want to ask before you disappear off to dream land..
You mentioned before I was a good lynch over July.
Why didn't you prod these while I was here?
I knew there was a few questions floating from several people about me.
I really wanted to address those while I was here today.
Unfortunately no one other than Jonny really asked me much of anything. That bothers me even more considering it was said that our scuffle looked weird to people.
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I don't want anyone to get caught up because they didn't understand something.
Jonny doesn't look good to me, but do I want him lynched because he misunderstood my point?
No. I want to be able to finish my analysis, get a response, and then move forward from there on whether or not I should try to push a lynch for him.
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Ok, I will be semi afk now again while I finished my reads post. It's getting really late so I want to to to focus it since I don't want to go to sleep before its done..
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I didn't have anything for you, otherwise I would have. I got as much as I could from you the night before.. and after that nothing new came up since you weren't around.. I'll probably have stuff when you post your analyses..
also, I thought you were a good lynvh in regards to what information we could gain from it.. I.E: Johnny being scummy. Remember; I thought either you or Johnny was scum. I'm not so sure on that now, you may very well both be town.
anyways sleep time, was posting from my tablet so sry for any autocorrects... night
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EBWOP er, grammar again.. I want to try to focus it**
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I'm going to hold you to it.
I would also really like to hear about my analysis from Vane and Nyx.
I'm also not sold on Nyx at this point and he's been getting some questioning.
He's characteristically missing from the thread but I honestly expected it. And if you look at his post in context he doesn't seem to be questioning himself. He's also giving us a little more to work with this time around.
I'll obviously have to look into it. If/when he post on my reasoning it will give me a chance to see how his logic functions.
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Oh actually, if you are still around pls answer my previous question.
"I didn't have anything for you" isn't going to sell me on anything when you just said this;
On November 01 2013 13:46 Balla24 wrote:
I feel annoying for only addressing Jonnylaw atm... I feel I'm tunnel visioning a lot.. anyways:
@Jonnylaw: Building a case doesn't mean just find one thing that's inconsistent, quoting a bunch of posts that support that and then going hard on that one thing and then if nobody bites, bring up another point. I completely disagreed with your reasoning for lynching Odin, BUT I didn't have anything concrete on Odin. Only reason I was ok with lynching him was because it would give us a LOT of information and he could have possibly been scum (but there were no tells either way yet, IMO).
I did think he would have been the better lynch, but I also didn't think we would get the votes, especially when we got closer to deadline and were still expecting stuff from him in which he didn't post anything...
Alright. Enough with jonnylaw, gonna try to look at others objectively. Maybe i'm wrong here and both odin/jonny are town... if so sucks that we have such a split town...
Unless I miss-understood, the "better lynch" thing in the middle there is directed at me. If I'm wrong can you re-word this? Because I'm inclined to think you believe I would of been a better lynch.
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What analysis are you talking about Odin? I posted my lengthy analysis on Jonny so if it has anything to do with him most of my reads are there.
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Like I said.. I prodded you as much as I could and got everything cleared up that I needed the night before. if you remember...
I'm not denying that I thought you were the better lynch... but again, that's because it would have given us wayyyyy more information then what we ended up with, particularly about my scumread Johnny.... not because I thought you were more suspicious than July. So why would I have questions for you, when you haven really brought anything else to the table and i was already clear on everything previous to that.
I'm ACTUALLY powering down now. See you tomorrow.
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@Vane, I'm talking about mine. That I have yet to post. I said I would post it earlier, and I will have it up tonight unless this storm knocks out my power again lol..
But I would like it if you and Nyx tell your thoughts on them. Everyone giving an opinion would be preferable... but the last time I posted up my reads, I got trained for it. And yes, I will be around tomorrow before the night end hopefully to discuss anything that gets brought up. But it's late already, I probably will crash out after I post them up. I would rather discussion come from them rather than a hate train because someone doesn't understand one of my points. (Or if I just don't make any sense because I can't format my post worth nothin'.)
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