EPTSpuntnik theory your posts make zero sense. Please go read every newbie mafia guide you can to learn the game. After your done please re-read them. If everyone posted like you on day 1, every other day following would have 0 information other than pure WIFOM on mafia ideas and lynches based purely on voting trends etc. You need to post opinions/pressure people so you can gather information later. How hard is that to understand. Being neutral on every subject/player and specifically going for a no lynch, means everyone can lurk just like you do.
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Spuntnik theory your posts make zero sense. Please go read every newbie mafia guide you can to learn the game. After your done please re-read them. If everyone posted like you on day 1, every other day following would have 0 information other than pure WIFOM on mafia ideas and lynches based purely on voting trends etc. You need to post opinions/pressure people so you can gather information later. How hard is that to understand. Being neutral on every subject/player and specifically going for a no lynch, means everyone can lurk just like you do. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
He was controversial at least and I don't like nolynches. However if a ghost or Hassy lynch is possible I'd prefere those. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:50 Toadesstern wrote: I am going to vote Janaan if I have to. I made it clear that I think he's a coinflip which is good enough for a plan B on day1 imo. He was controversial at least and I don't like nolynches. However if a ghost or Hassy lynch is possible I'd prefere those. I think you are insane, my friend. How in the world could you imagine the votes just magically lining up against Hassy or ghost at this stage? You have done nothing to help us make correct decisions and now you say that you'll vote for Janaan without any conviction that he's scum? I'd shoot you if I was vig, no doubt. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:45 Hassybaby wrote: An interesting last desperate attempt from two well known personalities in the social circles, to protect the newer players with anti-monarchist tendencies. I ask you both. Do you intend for there NOT to be a member of this party outed in this hour? What the hell are you even saying? Sputnik.theory please tell me who you would like to lynch today and why. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:44 FourFace wrote: Look man, I don't have my scumbuddies to help me make a supernice polished up case like Jitsu has with his scumbuddy michalethe to back him up and post it last minute when the euros are getting ready to hit the hay. rtft and consider the fact that I got 3 votes on my ass after I voted for him Fact is there's always plenty of time and gonzaw is just begging for people to vote Janaan .. he would say anything even that the zombie apocalypse will surely start if you don't vote for Janaan. I mean how sure can you be and how desperate. Yeah he wants to be the hero but Janaan is simply too hard to read. That meta doesn't say shit, he's been like this in newbie mini mafia IV, I was practically begging him to post something pro town. In the last hour chances are every single US American will be online so don't be discouraged to vote exactly how you would want to vote regardless of the current vote count. I guarantee there will be no NL What the fook. You imply that i'm scum because I have a solid, strong case against Janaan? Welcome to my ignore list, FourFace. I will no longer acknowledge you, nor respond to you, for the entire rest of the game. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:56 Jitsu wrote: What the fook. You imply that i'm scum because I have a solid, strong case against Janaan? Welcome to my ignore list, FourFace. I will no longer acknowledge you, nor respond to you, for the entire rest of the game. Why didn't you post that case of yours earlier? This is perfect mafia timing to get the votes in your favor. Do you even have any reads whatsoever on other players.. have you even tried? I would've loved to see you post when the discussion stage was on .. now all you have to offer is this flash of politically correct shit on Janaan and we have no idea what your line of thought was throughout the whole game, how you amounted your case .. what you chose to left out .. what your reads are on other people.. how you react to what other people say. This is cheap and I think you're scum. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:54 FourFace wrote: I think you are insane, my friend. How in the world could you imagine the votes just magically lining up against Hassy or ghost at this stage? You have done nothing to help us make correct decisions and now you say that you'll vote for Janaan without any conviction that he's scum? I'd shoot you if I was vig, no doubt. I want to see what's possible. How much did you do to help us make correct decisions so far? So far noone got lynched, what's a correct decision in your opinion right now? I said voting Tunk is stupid I still stand by that and I think Janaan is one of those guys we'll have to deal with sooner or later because he's one of those lurkers and we've got far to much of those in this game. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:04 sputnik.theory wrote: I have viewed this turn from a harm-management perspective from the start of the game. There isn't enough useful information to target scum in the game yet. No matter how much you wish there was. I can accept the criticism of not being helpful (yet!) but your jump from bad player to scum player baffles me. There is no substance to your claims. I'm not scum because I want to avoid lynching townies and don't exaggerate the importance of trivial BS. I think we still have a 20% chance of hitting scum, maybe a bit slightly more than random as I think the filter-analysis of Janaan in this and previous games ups his chances. That said, I think most of the value of a day 1 lynch is to get information after the fact. If he flips town, who was hammering him and why, who bandwagoned and when, etc. If he flips scum, that obv. provides more info. But to suggest a no-lynch on day 1 is pretty much to say "Lets start the game with 29 players and no information!!!" I still think we get more off a Janaan lynch than ST lynch for today, mainly b/c the deadline in close and more people have given thoughts on Janaan, which can be analyzed later. But wow @ST. | ||
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Sputnik.theory please tell me who you would like to lynch today and why. I'm still thinking... Hassybaby is the first 'popular' lynch candidate that raised flags for me as scummy. More then anything, I don't like the # of times he's switched votes. Every person he's targeted has been a person I was leaning town on. Additionally, his claim that you're defending me by putting the spotlight on him doesn't carry any weight for me as I know my own role. I'm definitely not voting for Tunkeg or Janaan. There are a few other people I suspect but I lack the evidence to make a strong enough claim. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
##Vote:sputnik.theory I'm telling you Janaan is unreadable especially on Day1. I hope that you at least feel stupid if we lynch him and he flips town or even blue I seriously do. As for me defending him.. yeah I am. If he flips red I'll be the next in line .. wouldn't that be a stupid thing to do for scum and as town I choose to stick out my head for someone who I think is 95% town. I am never going to back down from this. You either choose to follow me or you choose to follow the scumteam who obviously would prepare something for the finale of Day1, don't you think. This whole Janaan thing and how people succumb to it is ridiculous to watch. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote: What the hell are you even saying? Sputnik.theory please tell me who you would like to lynch today and why. I guess I need to explain it to a simpleton as yourself. You pick the last desperate minutes to try and prevent the death of your anti-monarchist friend and divert the death to me. This especially goes to Toad, who has been present in this conversation for the majority of this evening. You picked that exact time to change your targets? I question your motives | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 10 2012 06:05 michaelthe wrote: @ST I think we still have a 20% chance of hitting scum, maybe a bit slightly more than random as I think the filter-analysis of Janaan in this and previous games ups his chances. That said, I think most of the value of a day 1 lynch is to get information after the fact. If he flips town, who was hammering him and why, who bandwagoned and when, etc. If he flips scum, that obv. provides more info. But to suggest a no-lynch on day 1 is pretty much to say "Lets start the game with 29 players and no information!!!" I still think we get more off a Janaan lynch than ST lynch for today, mainly b/c the deadline in close and more people have given thoughts on Janaan, which can be analyzed later. But wow @ST. If he flips town you will have jack shit because you won't go after gonzaw as he's so super active and probably clueless town as well. If sput flips town you have me and a couple of others who are suspicious. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 10 2012 06:14 Hassybaby wrote: I guess I need to explain it to a simpleton as yourself. You pick the last desperate minutes to try and prevent the death of your anti-monarchist friend and divert the death to me. This especially goes to Toad, who has been present in this conversation for the majority of this evening. You picked that exact time to change your targets? I question your motives Come back and vote for sput. You know you want to. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
Get votes on Janaan please. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
You never changed it from sput? All the more better. Stick with me on this one and the Queen have great rewards for us, and the women .. oohh all those women! | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
##unvote As I said earlier, Janaan is on my list of scummy people, so I'll vote that way for the time being. ##vote: janaan The suddenness of the movement to lynch Hassybaby alarms me. Not really sure what to make of that. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 10 2012 06:14 Hassybaby wrote: I guess I need to explain it to a simpleton as yourself. You pick the last desperate minutes to try and prevent the death of your anti-monarchist friend and divert the death to me. This especially goes to Toad, who has been present in this conversation for the majority of this evening. You picked that exact time to change your targets? I question your motives because I voted for ghost before that. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On April 10 2012 06:16 FourFace wrote: If he flips town you will have jack shit because you won't go after gonzaw as he's so super active and probably clueless town as well. If sput flips town you have me and a couple of others who are suspicious. and jitsu. which is 2 ppl either way. I think Janaan has a slightly greater chance of being scum than the base 20% of a random lynch. ST I think may just be a total noob. We had some analysis of Janaans posts from other games, as oppose to ST just advocating a no lynch directly, which would be a retarded scum move. Time is the other major factor. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
First of all, ##Unvote: Tunkeg It's been an interesting D1. I'm absolutely thrilled we made it through an entire day without anyone claiming their role, but I'm utterly appalled at the state of the thread right now. While it's true that I said I would be the "atmosphere police" this game, I hadn't factored in the holiday weekend into D1 and for that I profusely apologize. I'll be around now though, so I hope from here out everyone will judge my actions based on the quality of my content rather than the size of my filter (which I realize is far under my standard fare.) Now, for the important shit. VisceraEyes Very Valuable and Legitimate Lynch List Hassybaby - Sup? On April 08 2012 20:34 Hassybaby wrote: A fine Morning Toad, I hope we find you in good health? I vaguely am with your thinking concerning the subject of wbg. However, two fellows of most uncertainty would be Rise and ET. Counteractions between the two parties have been most unseemly of gentlemen, and they are not new to the courtships of this world. I also feel our gracious host has raised an important point. We are not savages, and we should not act as such. Weak. Wishy-washy. Not contributing. But at least he's roleplaying.  On April 08 2012 22:16 Hassybaby wrote: Sir I am failing to notice if you are genuine with this claim. If you do claim this to be your intention, you are not only directly against the Queen, but also against all civility in this game. I expect more of an attempt from you, or I can see a prime option for a target, whether your claim is true or not Complaining about FF's claim. Oh wow, a vanilla town claim? In a TL town? You don't say! Again, not contributing. Just posting to keep from lurking. + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2012 07:51 Hassybaby wrote: I do apologise for my absence all of this hour of need. This day has been a most dreadful series of affairs. While reading through the posts made, I see a number of potential options have arisen since last I spoke. While I can see potential arguments in them, I have some feelings about how it has been going: With Risen and ET. I think what's said is said. The passion in their discussion makes me feel that they will bow to the Queen, not end her glorious reign. With wbg: Previous feelings with the young gentleman has made me realize that while it seems he has a disposition of an apathetic commoner, his heart remains loyal. Therefore, I would like to look in other directions for our anti-monarchist guests. With FourFace: I do not believe we have met before. Good evening Sir. Your attempts at discussion have been most definitely uncommon, and quite disruptive. As of yet, I am not sure. But young gonzaw is a man of integrity, so I will believe him for now and treat you as an interesting painting. The potential herrings on our party, in my opinion, are between Kenpachi and Janaan. I have seen Kenpachi on numerous occasions. A man of remote talent, he spends most of his time gallivanting with the young girls, and generally causing a ruckus. But today, he seems quiet, even a bit reserved. Janaan's first step into this party reminded me of my own baby steps into the larger social circles. My concern though is that it was never followed up. He seems to have disappeared to a corner of the room, indulging in other pleasantries, as opposed to assisting in our attempts to prevent the plots afoot As always, I prefer to hear the responses before declaring my position, but I do believe that Janaan should be our first target over Kenpachi. Here Hassy apologizes for the lurking and gives his reads. Unfortunately they're all null/town. The only thing even close to an actual scumread is on Kenpachi/Janaan. What interests me is the reasoning: Kenpachi because he's quiet. Really? Like, Kenpachi plays quite a few games here, and he's ALWAYS quiet. You have to drag anything out of Kenpachi every game…so what is he even talking about? YEAH I DON'T KNOW EITHER. And Janaan is like….the same thing as Hassybaby (which is interesting because Janaan is a lynch candidate, while Hassybaby is not. :S) On April 09 2012 23:34 Hassybaby wrote: A good day to you all. First off, FourFace, I owe you an apology. I believe my opinions of your socialistic tendencies were misleading and I feel the opposite as of now. Since that specific comment, I feel that you have started to show your loyalty t the throne, and i will continue to consider you a valuable member of the court if you do so again. You raise interesting points about sputnik. I admit, this is my first meeting with the young man, but it does feel like his emphasis on it being his first step into the major social circles of the courts is a setup for later faux pas incidents, and then we will reference back to that little statement, then laugh it off. That irks me greatly. I am also still not convinced by the intentions of Janaan. His responses to the passivity that he has shown this game has not convinced me. He would be my second choice in our potential imposter list. And yes Toad, I do agree that my integration has not been at the highest of levels in this party. I assure you that will change as of this moment. What struck me about this post was how diplomatic and infirm most of the statements are. Like, look at the language: "I admit, this is my first meeting", "I'm not convinced"…it sounds to me like scummy wishy-washiness. On April 09 2012 23:44 Hassybaby wrote: In fact, I wish to make it official ##vote sputnik.theory And here we have his vote. What's strange about this vote? The fact that it has A) no reasoning behind it and 2) it has nothing to do with anyone he's claimed he's suspicious of so far in the game. Hassybaby has been trying to avoid taking stances on most everything in town, and only now appears, active and ready to make something happen. He's still insisting that S.T. is his preference, but to date hasn't given reason for thinking so. Hassybaby is SCUM and is who I want to lynch today. If we can make it happen, it would make me a very happy pony. Toadesstern - The Frantic One My main issue with Toad was the way he reacted to Katina's accusation of him, which was essentially "Toad rambles on and on, but doesn't say anything important. I think Toad is scum". This was Toad's response. On April 09 2012 03:52 Toadesstern wrote: What's your point on me when you say I'm not having focus? My reasoning on saying WBG is suspicious to me? My post about how I don't want people to troll the first 24 hours like people usually do? I haven't said much so far because I've been told to post less the last couple games from people like WBG and BC so if you'd say I'm looking weird because I'm not my usual spammy self I'd agree to a point as I'm trying to be less spammy but I don't really see your point on me. I just can't see how you could possibly say I'm saying nothing when I'm one of the VERY few people in here who actually talk about scum reads while explaining them and why people are scummy rather than just "yep, think X is scummy". I mean half the thread is talking about wether or not a random lynch is something useful or if Tunkeg is weird for suggesting such a thing. That's all stuff that's incredible easy to do for mafia because that's stuff that people can have different opinions on and you can't be "wrong" on that matter. So again, what's your point on me because imo everything you said about me makes me look townish (obviously I'm trying to look townish because of what you quoted from foolish) while the other stuff we got so far (as mentioned, the tungek stuff / random lynch) should be considered a nullread. Look at that mamma-jamma! I mean, okay…he doesn't want people voting for him. No one does. But seriously Toad? This goes beyond "responding to Katina's accusation" and ventures into "berating because she suspects you". And check out the bolded statement which I drew attention to earlier today. Admittedly, the rest of his posting is like 'meh' and hard to read, standard Toad stuff…but his reaction to Katina raised serious red flags for me. I think Toad is SCUM. Now, as far as the current candidates are concerned, it's basically just "pick a lurker, pray". So I'm going to pick a lurker and pray, because as I stated early in the game, I'm in favor of lynching a lurker if no good candidate arises, and my biggest scumreads are not present candidates. If anyone wants to voice their consent with my targets however, I'd absolutely put effort into pushing a lynch…but we're about..what, 5.5 hours?…from lynch and we can barely consolidate on a lurker. I'm not holding my breath. ##Vote: Janaan | ||
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