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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 14:44 GMT
#621
Mocsta stop with that "no other lynch is gonna happen" bullshit. Instead of telling people to vote for someone based on "so we get a lynch trough" you should convince them that the person is scum. You are better than this, wtf are you doing?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 14:46 GMT
#622
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mocsta

Now he's just full of shit.

Today you are gonna lynch me or Mocsta. If you lynch me then you lynch Mocsta on D2. Thanks.
If you don't lynch me or Mocsta today i will spam the thread with bullshit as long as i live like he is doing atm.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 21 2013 14:47 GMT
#623
Way to hold me by the balls, Moc. I've been on everyone's scum list, yet no one wants to vote for me. I find it very strange. I really don't care if I get lynched or not because to be honest I'm tired of people attacking me about the first 3 hours of the game and then not looking at anything else that I've done.

Aqua/Onegu/Bereft. Your pick, Moc.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 21 2013 14:47 GMT
#624
nice scumclaim rayn
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 14:47 GMT
#625
On November 21 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:35 Mocsta wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The difference between Aquanim and Rean is both have made bad posts & contradicted themselves but unlike Aquanim, Rean admits he made a mistake or worded his thought poorly when it's pointed out. Aquanim makes up new reasons for his argument or licks strong players asses to make himself look better to them. And that is a fucking fact.

Wow.. we are not on the same page.

The difference is Aquanim is not confident but continues to be an open book - allowing you to keep provoking him.
Rean on the other hand answers the questions to the point and delivers nothing more.

I know i find the latter more scummy, so should you.

So when everyone has a townread on Aquanim (besides me - from the influential players), mafia!Rean continues to tunnel on Aqua and does not consider any other player worth lynching?

In comparsion Aquanim is open for lynching for anyone who was suspicious for thread sentiment.

Yo Mocsta you need to learn on how to play scum if you think that's a good way to go for mafia!Rean. Also those dudes who play live mafia have way better "on the fly bullshitting capabilities". Also Aquanim says very little in his posts.

But i don't care, i just lynch thrawn on D2 if he let's this lynch happen. I am telling you Rean is town and if thrawn is incapable of seeing that he is most likely scum.

Actaully, I am not so firm on my read on Rean without a reconfirmation of facts.

Frankly, the replace out of LoneMeow has tilted me a bit and i would consider lynching HF this cycle.

P.S. what you wrote above is misconstruing the thread. It certainly did not go down that way.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 21 2013 14:49 GMT
#626
should be this

On November 21 2013 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you don't lynch me today i will spam the thread with bullshit as long as i live

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 21 2013 14:50 GMT
#627
##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
November 21 2013 14:50 GMT
#628
thrawn, earlier you said that Aqunim was the misslynch wagon. What made you think that?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 14:50 GMT
#629
On November 21 2013 23:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
I ain't voting for Rean, Moc. I don't think it is a good lynch and I would need to be handed a very convincing argument to do so.
What it comes down to now is whether you are going to support a town circle or not.
7 are needed to vote, and the closest person to 7 is Rean.

There is more information to be gained from a Rean lynch/mislynch than a no-lynch.

Do you honestly think you can sway enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is?

If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not.



Show nested quote +
When you say things like, "Corazón has only attacked people who attack him", it makes me less likely to listen to you because you're throwing shit around when you say that. Of course I've only attacked people who have attacked me because EVERYONE has attacked me. Do you not realize this?
I dont think all 11 people were after you. And I dont care if you won't listen to me, because your "thumb stuck in your bum" is making it very difficult to read you.
I want to think you are town, but the emotional rouse is such a convenient avenue to hide behind.
It should be obvious I am willing to give you a fair go, so if you are town, snapping back at me is NOT going to help *your* situation

Show nested quote +
Also Moc, the time for talking about me being scum without voting for me is past. Either vote for me or stop talking about me.
You probably could be lynched today with majority if we pushed that way. Are you sure you want this?

On November 21 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote:
How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town.
Especially since Rayn had a scumread on Rean earlier in the day. Basically the fact that Rean admitted he made a mistake makes Rayn switch from thinking he's scum, to balls out hardcore defending him.

Wild theory #1
(stated previously)

Vonthin has played 3 newbies all town.
Suddenly rolls scum and replaces out before posting

Wild Theory #2
Rayn got his role pm (scum) and decided to replace into the thread before joining the QT.
After a while gets town reads and realises Rean is on his team.
backpedals suddenly and we stuck with this rayn now who is miles apart from the rayn yesterday.

If anyone thinks these posts come from a townie vote for me.
Otherwise vote for Mocsta.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 14:52 GMT
#630
You know what Rayn.

I think we should oblige.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 21 2013 14:52 GMT
#631
On November 21 2013 23:43 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:32 Aquanim wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:02 jampidampi wrote:
Aquanim
On November 21 2013 08:10 Aquanim wrote:
So, these votes on me.

Jampidampi
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 21 2013 00:22 jampidampi wrote:
...

Here's some more evidnce against Aquanim:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 20:01 Aquanim wrote:
Well, it looks like Jampidampi has run off without adressing the elephant. I'm not sure whether to be insulted.
He'd better offer some more constructive opinions when he gets back, though.

On November 20 2013 18:22 jampidampi wrote:
@Sciberbia: My read on Corazon is not conclusive aka null. Slightly on the town side of null.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.

Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.

Now to my goals/early game statements:

1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.

2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.

3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.

On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.


Don't like this post. Doesn't say anything with a substance.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present.

He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others.

This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it.

This is what troubles me about sciberia right now.

Don't understand what he is trying to say with this. If "us" refers to Scib and Cora, how does he come to the conclusion that Scib can "sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others" if Scib is tunneling Cora?

On one hand Cora could be a townie caught in a emotional tunnel. This falls in line with his tone when directly responding to Scib. On the other hand he could be scum. Reserving judgement until he returns and properly answears Sciberbias case and this post.

@Jampidampi: This reads to me like two quotes demonstrating why you don't like Corazon's play so far. How does that leave you on the town side of null? I think you need to flesh this out some more.


This post is odd. It feels like Aqua really wanted to say the first paragraph and inserted the second one to make a post with more substance. If Aqua wanted to address my post with the second pararaph, why wait nearly two hours? Since the motive of this post clearly wasn't to adress my post, it must lie withing the first paragrapgh. The first paragrapgh is just throwing some dirt onto me without stating explicit suspection. The motive behind it is to make me look worse. That, ladies and gentleman, is a scum motive.

@LoneMeow:
Could be more specific about what makes you think Aqua is town? What do you think about the case on him?


Basically, it took me two hours to determine that you weren't coming back and wouldn't elaborate on that point on your own. If you were going to explain yourself without my prompting I wanted to give you that opportunity. Obviously you didn't, and I can't help but notice you haven't answered my question even now. @Jampidampi I'd still like you to answer my question.

First of all, you fail at reading:
On November 20 2013 18:22 jampidampi wrote:
...

On one hand Cora could be a townie caught in a emotional tunnel. This falls in line with his tone when directly responding to Scib. On the other hand he could be scum. Reserving judgement until he returns and properly answears Sciberbias case and this post.


I consider your justification for your townish read on Corazon to be minimal bordering on insufficient considering you raised multiple points against him, but I'm willing to let that lie for the moment.

I raised only one point against him, me not liking his opening post. How does "I don't understand" make you believe I hold it against him? I was looking for an explanation.

Show nested quote +

Second, you didn't even address the point I hold against you in that post. You basicly admit that it has no other motive than making me look worse.

I ignored your point because it was bullshit and not worth my time. Why should I have replied to you immediately?

How was it bullshit? I proved that your motives behind that post weren't coming from wanting to adress my post, because if you would have wanted to adress my post you could have done it then. You were clearly in the thread a good portion of time after my post, but didn't address it until way later.

And, like I've already said, I didn't address you at all at the time because I wanted to see if you would elaboarate on your reads or indeed do anything else useful without being prompted. You may believe that that's an entirely unbelievable reason for me to leave you alone for some time - if you believe that, I have no answer other than "You're wrong".

We're going in circles here and I don't see anything further to be gained by discussing this with you. You obviously believe that that one post and whatever other tired old arguments you've raised is sufficient justification for clinging to my wagon. Whether that means you're obstinate, tunneled or just scum is a question I intend to leave for another day.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 21 2013 14:53 GMT
#632
rayn i'm sorry but

A) you have claimed scum with basically every post you've made recently
B) i don't care too much for a lot of other things in your filter
C) I am perfectly fine with policy lynching someone who claims he will spam the thread if the lynch doesn't go his way

actually on point C don't even think it's policy lynching because making threats like that is basically scum claiming
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 14:53 GMT
#633
On November 21 2013 23:47 cDgCorazon wrote:
Aqua/Onegu/Bereft. Your pick, Moc.

Why is Bereft here?

Because of Rayns dumb filtering argument?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 14:54 GMT
#634
7 are needed to vote, and the closest person to 7 is Rean.

There is more information to be gained from a Rean lynch/mislynch than a no-lynch.

Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is?

If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not.

On November 21 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote:
You know what Rayn.

I think we should oblige.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

I knew you would claim scum. <3
I don't even care if you lynch me but i suggest everyone looks at this post when i flip!!!
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 14:54 GMT
#635
On November 21 2013 23:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn i'm sorry but

A) you have claimed scum with basically every post you've made recently
B) i don't care too much for a lot of other things in your filter
C) I am perfectly fine with policy lynching someone who claims he will spam the thread if the lynch doesn't go his way

actually on point C don't even think it's policy lynching because making threats like that is basically scum claiming

Hes playing the martyr card in the hopes that people will WIFOM him town.

its why he may as well be rid of now.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 14:55 GMT
#636
See Corazon? How good am i? :D
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 21 2013 14:56 GMT
#637
On November 21 2013 23:50 jampidampi wrote:
thrawn, earlier you said that Aqunim was the misslynch wagon. What made you think that?


What moc said about him and I misreading aqua's play rang true with me and I didn't feel too great about the people voting alongside me... namely you and rean
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 14:56 GMT
#638
Aqua/jampi
Please weigh in on Rayn

Voting him or not?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 21 2013 14:56 GMT
#639
You know what? I'm in.

##Unvote
##Vote: raynpelikoneet

Far too much "REAN ISN'T SCUM AND YOU'LL ALL BE SORRY WHEN HE FLIPS" and far too little "XXX IS SCUM YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS FOR NOT VOTING FOR HIM". I'd expect the latter from a town Rayn based on my knowledge of him.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 21 2013 14:56 GMT
#640
lol sniped
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