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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
November 21 2013 14:56 GMT
#641
Mocsta answer my case on you. Please.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 14:57 GMT
#642
Im also surprised rayn hasnt jumped all over me for suggesting we lynch HF this cycle.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 14:58 GMT
#643
On November 21 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta answer my case on you. Please.

Where is it dear?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 21 2013 14:58 GMT
#644
On November 21 2013 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If anyone thinks these posts come from a townie vote for me.
Otherwise vote for Mocsta.
##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
November 21 2013 14:59 GMT
#645
On November 21 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
7 are needed to vote, and the closest person to 7 is Rean.

There is more information to be gained from a Rean lynch/mislynch than a no-lynch.

Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is?

If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not.

Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote:
You know what Rayn.

I think we should oblige.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

I knew you would claim scum. <3
I don't even care if you lynch me but i suggest everyone looks at this post when i flip!!!

I just proved you wrong. And you are going against what you suggested ~10min ago.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 14:59 GMT
#646
Awesome thats 4 votes.
Onegu had a read on rayn so I expect that to be 5 votes.

We only need 2 more votes for a majority.
C'mon jampidampi !
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 21 2013 15:00 GMT
#647
##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn


I think its completely irrational for a townie to bust into the thread the way rayn is doing now flinging shit like an angry bull. there is no reason for him to be behaving this way as town.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 15:01 GMT
#648
On November 21 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
7 are needed to vote, and the closest person to 7 is Rean.

There is more information to be gained from a Rean lynch/mislynch than a no-lynch.

Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is?

If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not.

On November 21 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote:
You know what Rayn.

I think we should oblige.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

I knew you would claim scum. <3
I don't even care if you lynch me but i suggest everyone looks at this post when i flip!!!

I just proved you wrong. And you are going against what you suggested ~10min ago.

OK, guilty as charged.
Apologies, I was confused - I thought you said you wrote a case?
I didnt see anything about why this is indicative of a scum mindset.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 21 2013 15:01 GMT
#649
angry monkey is what I meant. I didn't want to be rude, but that sentence doesn't quite work with bull.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
November 21 2013 15:02 GMT
#650
On November 21 2013 23:52 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:43 jampidampi wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:32 Aquanim wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:02 jampidampi wrote:
Aquanim
On November 21 2013 08:10 Aquanim wrote:
So, these votes on me.

Jampidampi
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 21 2013 00:22 jampidampi wrote:
...

Here's some more evidnce against Aquanim:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 20:01 Aquanim wrote:
Well, it looks like Jampidampi has run off without adressing the elephant. I'm not sure whether to be insulted.
He'd better offer some more constructive opinions when he gets back, though.

On November 20 2013 18:22 jampidampi wrote:
@Sciberbia: My read on Corazon is not conclusive aka null. Slightly on the town side of null.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.

Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.

Now to my goals/early game statements:

1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.

2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.

3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.

On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.


Don't like this post. Doesn't say anything with a substance.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present.

He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others.

This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it.

This is what troubles me about sciberia right now.

Don't understand what he is trying to say with this. If "us" refers to Scib and Cora, how does he come to the conclusion that Scib can "sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others" if Scib is tunneling Cora?

On one hand Cora could be a townie caught in a emotional tunnel. This falls in line with his tone when directly responding to Scib. On the other hand he could be scum. Reserving judgement until he returns and properly answears Sciberbias case and this post.

@Jampidampi: This reads to me like two quotes demonstrating why you don't like Corazon's play so far. How does that leave you on the town side of null? I think you need to flesh this out some more.


This post is odd. It feels like Aqua really wanted to say the first paragraph and inserted the second one to make a post with more substance. If Aqua wanted to address my post with the second pararaph, why wait nearly two hours? Since the motive of this post clearly wasn't to adress my post, it must lie withing the first paragrapgh. The first paragrapgh is just throwing some dirt onto me without stating explicit suspection. The motive behind it is to make me look worse. That, ladies and gentleman, is a scum motive.

@LoneMeow:
Could be more specific about what makes you think Aqua is town? What do you think about the case on him?


Basically, it took me two hours to determine that you weren't coming back and wouldn't elaborate on that point on your own. If you were going to explain yourself without my prompting I wanted to give you that opportunity. Obviously you didn't, and I can't help but notice you haven't answered my question even now. @Jampidampi I'd still like you to answer my question.

First of all, you fail at reading:
On November 20 2013 18:22 jampidampi wrote:
...

On one hand Cora could be a townie caught in a emotional tunnel. This falls in line with his tone when directly responding to Scib. On the other hand he could be scum. Reserving judgement until he returns and properly answears Sciberbias case and this post.


I consider your justification for your townish read on Corazon to be minimal bordering on insufficient considering you raised multiple points against him, but I'm willing to let that lie for the moment.

I raised only one point against him, me not liking his opening post. How does "I don't understand" make you believe I hold it against him? I was looking for an explanation.


Second, you didn't even address the point I hold against you in that post. You basicly admit that it has no other motive than making me look worse.

I ignored your point because it was bullshit and not worth my time. Why should I have replied to you immediately?

How was it bullshit? I proved that your motives behind that post weren't coming from wanting to adress my post, because if you would have wanted to adress my post you could have done it then. You were clearly in the thread a good portion of time after my post, but didn't address it until way later.

And, like I've already said, I didn't address you at all at the time because I wanted to see if you would elaboarate on your reads or indeed do anything else useful without being prompted. You may believe that that's an entirely unbelievable reason for me to leave you alone for some time - if you believe that, I have no answer other than "You're wrong".

We're going in circles here and I don't see anything further to be gained by discussing this with you. You obviously believe that that one post and whatever other tired old arguments you've raised is sufficient justification for clinging to my wagon. Whether that means you're obstinate, tunneled or just scum is a question I intend to leave for another day.

Forget about addressing my post back then because that clearly isn't what you were trying to do with that post. If we leave that out of your post the only thing left is your noncommital dirt throwing onto me. Which is scummy.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 21 2013 15:03 GMT
#651
rayn what you're saying is terrible

you start by acting all high and mighty saying there's no way you'll consilidate onto the rean lynch and you KNOW rean will flip town.... while proposing lynches that nobody else wants and you KNOW nobody will go along with

i asked your opinion on another lynch (jampi) and you deflected by saying you're gonna lynch me D2 if i don't stop calling you scum

now you're trying to take complete control of the thread and force people to lynch one of two players (you/moc) that up until now nobody has even said anything about lynching, claiming you will ruin the game for everyone if they don't play along

so many scum claims. even if you are town which I absolutely do not think is the case I don't want you in this game if this is how you're gonna be. this is supposed to be bootcamp mafia not raynspam mafia
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
November 21 2013 15:03 GMT
#652
I need some time to make any sense of this rayn mess, give me a moment to reread.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 21 2013 15:06 GMT
#653
On November 21 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
7 are needed to vote, and the closest person to 7 is Rean.

There is more information to be gained from a Rean lynch/mislynch than a no-lynch.

Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is?

If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not.

On November 21 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote:
You know what Rayn.

I think we should oblige.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

I knew you would claim scum. <3
I don't even care if you lynch me but i suggest everyone looks at this post when i flip!!!

I just proved you wrong. And you are going against what you suggested ~10min ago.
How is he going against what he suggested?

He said "Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is? If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not."

He obviously can get a majority for you.

All he was saying is that it isn't townie to let the lynch fizzle due to no majority.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
November 21 2013 15:06 GMT
#654
On November 22 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
7 are needed to vote, and the closest person to 7 is Rean.

There is more information to be gained from a Rean lynch/mislynch than a no-lynch.

Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is?

If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not.

On November 21 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote:
You know what Rayn.

I think we should oblige.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

I knew you would claim scum. <3
I don't even care if you lynch me but i suggest everyone looks at this post when i flip!!!

I just proved you wrong. And you are going against what you suggested ~10min ago.

OK, guilty as charged.
Apologies, I was confused - I thought you said you wrote a case?
I didnt see anything about why this is indicative of a scum mindset.

Your first suggestion is scummy as hell. You are shutting down discussion because people "need to consolidate". The suggestion is also incorrect and that's what i wanted to show you.
##Unvote:

I suggest, Mocsta, ifyou are town you never make those kinda bullshit suggestions in a game where i am playing. I also suggest you don't make bullshit cases based on why someone might have been replaced out of a game and how someone might not have read scum QT or other bullshit. I could make a case on you where i say "WILD THEORY; Mocsta has played so bad as scum lately so he needs to change his playstyle completely to survive even N1. Therefore he is scum hue hue." Do you see why your posts on the last page are terribad? Please stop if you are town.

Now i do not want to lynch Rean. I think he has been genuine and cooperative and stated clearly who he wants to lynch on D1. That's more than 8 other players in this game have done.

Now can we discuss the lynch?
table for two on a tv tray
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 15:07 GMT
#655
On November 22 2013 00:03 jampidampi wrote:
I need some time to make any sense of this rayn mess, give me a moment to reread.

hmmmm

<I am going to the QT to talk to Rayn about how to best perform damage control>

but watevz

For a guy that displayed shrewd analysis with the corazon read (i.e. immediately being able to identify emotional tunnel etc) its disconcerting how hard you are holding onto this Aquanim line of questioning.

The original query to you was "fair game".
You wrote he was leaning town (slightly) yet identified two quotes that you said had no substance. The message is unclear -- yet you keep trying to shit the thread with this.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
November 21 2013 15:08 GMT
#656
thrawn i am reading jampidampi now.
table for two on a tv tray
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 21 2013 15:10 GMT
#657
On November 22 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
7 are needed to vote, and the closest person to 7 is Rean.

There is more information to be gained from a Rean lynch/mislynch than a no-lynch.

Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is?

If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not.

On November 21 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote:
You know what Rayn.

I think we should oblige.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

I knew you would claim scum. <3
I don't even care if you lynch me but i suggest everyone looks at this post when i flip!!!

I just proved you wrong. And you are going against what you suggested ~10min ago.

OK, guilty as charged.
Apologies, I was confused - I thought you said you wrote a case?
I didnt see anything about why this is indicative of a scum mindset.

Your first suggestion is scummy as hell. You are shutting down discussion because people "need to consolidate". The suggestion is also incorrect and that's what i wanted to show you.
##Unvote:

I suggest, Mocsta, ifyou are town you never make those kinda bullshit suggestions in a game where i am playing. I also suggest you don't make bullshit cases based on why someone might have been replaced out of a game and how someone might not have read scum QT or other bullshit. I could make a case on you where i say "WILD THEORY; Mocsta has played so bad as scum lately so he needs to change his playstyle completely to survive even N1. Therefore he is scum hue hue." Do you see why your posts on the last page are terribad? Please stop if you are town.

Now i do not want to lynch Rean. I think he has been genuine and cooperative and stated clearly who he wants to lynch on D1. That's more than 8 other players in this game have done.

Now can we discuss the lynch?
LOL.. this ties in with my post to jampidampi so bad.

My vote remains.

This is such a scummy backpedal. Yes Rayn, the martyr failed.

P.S. The consolidation request on Corazon was very townie to ask.
Im going to bed soon, and when I wake up 1 hr before the lynch.
I want to go to bed knowing town is in a secure place.

I know it is now with your lynch.

/night
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
November 21 2013 15:13 GMT
#658
I could lynch jampidampi. His reasoning for voting for Aquanim is no longer valid unless he debunks Aqua's defense, which he has not done. When he comes back he doesn't update his read on his top scumread, instead he throws some irrational posts on him.

##Vote: Jampidampi
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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
November 21 2013 15:14 GMT
#659
On November 22 2013 00:07 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 00:03 jampidampi wrote:
I need some time to make any sense of this rayn mess, give me a moment to reread.

hmmmm

<I am going to the QT to talk to Rayn about how to best perform damage control>

Rayn has some weird things as town in the past, though mostly related to fake claiming (Nuclear Winter for example).

For a guy that displayed shrewd analysis with the corazon read (i.e. immediately being able to identify emotional tunnel etc) its disconcerting how hard you are holding onto this Aquanim line of questioning.

The original query to you was "fair game".
You wrote he was leaning town (slightly) yet identified two quotes that you said had no substance. The message is unclear -- yet you keep trying to shit the thread with this.

Both you and Aquanim need to read more carefully. First of all, I highlighted one post that "didn't say anything with a substance". My point about Aqua is about the motive behind his post, and he seems to continue missunderstanding that. He has yet to refute my actual point, instead trying to make my point appear to be something which it isn't and refuting that.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 21 2013 15:15 GMT
#660
basically I agree 100% with what thrawn said. rayns acting in a manner that makes it quite unlikely he's town, but in the off chance that he is, his attitude is horrible and I'd much rather have Rean around than him.
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