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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
I have one, wheres that case you guys were supposed to build against yours truly? I'm waiting  | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 29 2012 14:56 zelblade wrote: @gum can we not delve into a bucket of wifom? Look its 1 am on my front, no ones here, I would seriously like to hear your opinion, meta is a useful tool if used right, please a few lines, you wont have to clutter the thread, oblige me. Unless you have some other brilliant case or post to work on? | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
I was largely absent for most of the night. That stops now. I'm going to put in the time to come up with a convincing case today and we are going to lynch us some scum. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 29 2012 15:03 DoYouHas wrote: Well that night hit threw my plan for today out the window. I had planned on pushing Janaan for sheeping a bit to much. Also, if he flipped red it would have all but confirmed Alderan as town. Back to the drawing board. I was largely absent for most of the night. That stops now. I'm going to put in the time to come up with a convincing case today and we are going to lynch us some scum. DYH think about it from scums perspective, alderaan is one of the biggest players, his primary suspicion happens to be a town, what better way to throw doubt on Alderaan? Personally I think we should just look back at the people who were trying to build cases against alderaan. a few come to mind, one in particular has been acting strange all game, you might know him, after all, he killed you in a past life. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
1) Stop basing your agurments on wifom. And just because jannnan happens to be town doesnt implicated Ald in any way. Townies get their reads wrong (esp day 1) all the time, so it could easily be a mistake. If these reads continue to be horrible of course .... 2) If you want to push those people (which I dont think is a good idea), do it yourself. Go through their filters and make a case if you think they are suspisious. Dont get DYH or someone else to do your dirty work for you. 3) Can we stop it with the bluefishing? | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
Tomorrow when I delve into filters and such I will try to do so independent of that kind of thinking. I fell into it last game with MidnightGladius. It wasn't helpful then, it won't be helpful now. | ||
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
Summary: Alderan has shown a great bias against Chocolate. He tries to focus people on him (such as Janaan when he posted about ghost) but is perfectly willing to drop it when DYH comes in to call out what is going on. Even so he picks it back up and tries to get people to look at it, and then tries to get something on Steveling started on the sole basis that he is involved with Chocolate. Conclusion: It could be a case of serious tunneling (which I doubt as he seemingly listened to DYH), but I find it more likely that he is casting confusion amongst town by setting up multiple suspects without good reason or case. It does seem, as you say, that alderan is focusing hard on chocolate, but is he really trying to set up multiple targets? From what I can tell, at the point you made that post, he was only setting up chocolate and steveling to be scrutinised, and dropped his case against ghost. I think it's becoming more and more likely that chocolate is town, so if alderan were scum, why waste his vote on steveling, who he knew was not going to attract enough votes for a lynch? And nttea, you haven't contributed to the thread yet and you are already advocating a default alderan lynch if there is no new info? It is only the start of day 2, there is plenty of time for more info to come out. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On February 29 2012 16:13 k2hd wrote: Sloosh, I wanted to ask you about this part of your case against alderan It does seem, as you say, that alderan is focusing hard on chocolate, but is he really trying to set up multiple targets? From what I can tell, at the point you made that post, he was only setting up chocolate and steveling to be scrutinised, and dropped his case against ghost. I think it's becoming more and more likely that chocolate is town, so if alderan were scum, why waste his vote on steveling, who he knew was not going to attract enough votes for a lynch? And nttea, you haven't contributed to the thread yet and you are already advocating a default alderan lynch if there is no new info? It is only the start of day 2, there is plenty of time for more info to come out. ok so 3 people arguing AGAINST alderan, i don't have any better ideas maybe i just suck at this game and yes there's plenty more time for more info to come out that's why i said alderan unless we get something better. Apparently people seem very against that so i'll yield but i hope someone comes up with something :p This was the best way i could think of contributing since i thought alderan dropped what seemed like something convincing from his part right into nothing, i was just thinking if alderan was scum it would be really good play by him, if he is townie i don't see what he contributed except making sure nobody got lynched, but yeah it's a pretty weak claim that's why default cause we don't have anyone better from what i can see  | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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JekyllAndHyde
42 Posts
1)If Alderan is scum, then him killing a player he was going to push later doesn't make any sense, since he's hindering scums ability to push for a misslynch on said player, and he's hindering his own survival too. 2)If Alderan is town and scum are trying to frame him, it doesn't make any sense either. If you are trying to frame someone as scum, you kill the players pressuring him, you don't kill the players he's pressuring. Also, it wouldn't be a very good job at framing him, if any townie can figure out (1) and know it doesn't make sense for Alderan to kill Janaan from a scum POV. So this makes me think, that either this was very bad scum play, or Janaan was killed independantly of any effects caused on Alderan and other players' thoughts on him. I'd just want to address this now so people (i.e gumshoe) don't dwell on this WIFOM for too much longer. /Hyde | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:58 JekyllAndHyde wrote: Okay, just a quick thought before I go to uni: 1)If Alderan is scum, then him killing a player he was going to push later doesn't make any sense, since he's hindering scums ability to push for a misslynch on said player, and he's hindering his own survival too. 2)If Alderan is town and scum are trying to frame him, it doesn't make any sense either. If you are trying to frame someone as scum, you kill the players pressuring him, you don't kill the players he's pressuring. Also, it wouldn't be a very good job at framing him, if any townie can figure out (1) and know it doesn't make sense for Alderan to kill Janaan from a scum POV. So this makes me think, that either this was very bad scum play, or Janaan was killed independantly of any effects caused on Alderan and other players' thoughts on him. I'd just want to address this now so people (i.e gumshoe) don't dwell on this WIFOM for too much longer. /Hyde good sir i am offended ) : you know when your actually trying to convict someone, you need mens rea and acteus rea to get the guilty verdict (probably spelling those wrong) Whats wrong with trying to deduce motive? Please, if you guys have something better to say I am all ears, why is it pointless to discuss motive? This is our space, were supposed to feel comfterble here to talk as we please, the mafia are the ones who are unwelcome. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
There is no benefit in guessing what the mafia is up to. Also, it does not matter. Whatever the mafia wanted to achieve, we just need to make sure that we can lynch them, then we win. Also, the way you questioned zelblade looked heavily like rolefishing, so stop it. We only risk that towns (green and blue) accidentally slip information about their role, and that benefits mafia as well. Our focus must be in finding out who is red, not who is green and blue. The roleblock on zelblade does not help us at the moment. It may be useful later when we have more information on everything. But for now, it opens two possibilities: - zelblade got roleblocked. That would make him pretty much confirmed town. - Zelblade is mafia, mafia did not use their roleblock, and zelblade pretends to have been roleblocked to look confirmed town. That would make him confirmed scum. We cannot know which one of the above is true at this time. So please, let's drop this topic and try to find scum instead. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Alright finally caught up. I find fourface's (who I replaced) play to be pretty ... wacky. Either way, in case any of you thought it was actually real, his "doc" claim is untrue. First thing zell feels the need to do when he enters the game is tell us that he isnt the doc like four face said -_- which made him look like doc, thats all, unless... Why would zell feel that the most important matter he had to attend to when he entered the thread was to say I'm not in fact the doc? What do we gain by him telling us this? Again he tells us he got role blocked, why tell us this? Zell I'm not fishing for colours, I'm just curious as to why you think town needs to know these things, if you were green it would been much better just to pretend your blue and waste a mafia ability, instead your choosing to make a spectacle of something that isn't our business and then you insist upon shutting down conversation about it after you brought it to light? If you are town please don't bother telling us these things in the future -_-, they do nothing but let mafia crumb suspicion on you for the very things i've mentioned (calling that someone screams scum slip in five, four, three......) | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
Janaan could have looked blue to a scum. This needs to be quoted, it's the scummiest thing that's been said in the whole thread imo (and definitely not just because its about me. On February 29 2012 13:42 nttea wrote: How about default lynch on alderan If we don't get any better ideas? I feel he worked extremely hard (but trying to not make it obvious) on making sure we didn't get a lynch done last day... Someone called him out on it, and he responded with this: ok so 3 people arguing AGAINST alderan, i don't have any better ideas maybe i just suck at this game and yes there's plenty more time for more info to come out that's why i said alderan unless we get something better. Apparently people seem very against that so i'll yield but i hope someone comes up with something This was the best way i could think of contributing since i thought alderan dropped what seemed like something convincing from his part right into nothing, i was just thinking if alderan was scum it would be really good play by him, if he is townie i don't see what he contributed except making sure nobody got lynched, but yeah it's a pretty weak claim that's why default cause we don't have anyone better from what i can see We're not even 12 hours into the 48 of the day period and he is trying to crush discussion and have a default lynch target... He then abandons that because "people don't like it" and "I must suck at this game". Classic scum moves. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
1. Zelblade just dropped the info. You then started pushing for more information on his role, for his thoughts on the roleblock etc. (writing from mobile, too lazy to look it up). He tried to drop the topic, you pushed on. If someone is making a spectacle, it's you. 2. If mafia thought he was doc, they would have shot him or will do so soon. 3. The info he gave us might be useful in the future. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
And no, I am not making a spectacle. The one doing so it you. We need to move on from this crap and start hunting some scum. Onto the more important stuff. I believe that a few of you (Sloosh, DYH, Hyde) are perhaps expecting too much from Alderan, and perhaps fear his scum play to an extent. I feel that his actions havent been scummy, and the cases made against him arent really great. What he has been called out for is supposedly dumping suspision on mutiple players. I do think that his thought process which he explained is perfectly valid. His play also happens to be totally diffrent from last game, where he played a safe scum that made the "right reads" and looked blue. His plan for day 1 was simply to tunnel dimmuklok, casting as much doubt without actually lynching him, instead wanting to leave him as a potential easy mislynch further into the game (which did not happen ofc). Furthermore, the activity diffrence is also staggering. I dont believe that he changed his style so much in just one game. Im suspisious of gumshoe. I dont how much wifom he has been applying to everything, and how he tried to rolefish. I did get the sense that he was improving greatly last game, but this game it seems that he has faded to a point where he isnt doing much. You could see that gum was constantly trying last game, and was being really enthusiastic about the game, constantly attempting to contribute (abliet in pretty bad ways lol), and eventually got better with his reads. However , look at his filter this game. There is hardly anything of note inside. It is a massive Yes, the gumshoe last game spammed as well. But look at the diffrence. That game his posts, whilst generally making little sense at the start (slowly improving) were filled with content, as opposed to the one-liners that he is spamming here. I suggest you guys to take a look at his filters from both games, and you would easily see the stark diffrence. Which is also why I feel that gumshoe is our best lynch for today. ##vote: gumshoe | ||
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