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On January 14 2012 02:02 rgTheSchworz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
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On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:
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On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again.
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I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign.
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Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor.
You give no reason, cite a troll post, yet you are active.I have delved into town-Palmar and yes, town-Palmar usually runs for mayor or takes interest in mayoral elections.More than one-liner posts would be helpful. FoS Palmar. D3, why lynch BM? He first got involved in elections by Foolishness and then posted to say why CC is hypocritical, which is semi-relevant.Maybe he is trying to defend bumat. On the other hand sandro has been like,, I will be running for mayor''. BUT Show nested quote +and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot
Blueclaim.Rgtheschworz signing out
Redclaim. Why would you draw attention to someone's soft blue-claim? I saw that too, and now scum see it too. What's wrong with you?
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If I was red, wouldn't I say that PRIVATELY?To then kill him at night?
Anyway, I was just fishing for info.
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On January 14 2012 02:04 Kurumi wrote:
TheSchowrz, we never point out blue claims because its helps mafia more than town >_> Besides, that's not a blue claim. That's just ego.
I don't see a problem with that at all. If someone claims blue so boldy that I am able to see it a horde of mafia players who are able to communicate is able to see that as well.
Obvisously the best case scenario is to not blue claim in the first place.
But yeah it's not a blue claim. It's more like "I am good at finding scum, protect me for a couple days and I will have this shit figured out".
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On January 14 2012 02:10 rgTheSchworz wrote:
If I was red, wouldn't I say that PRIVATELY?To then kill him at night?
Anyway, I was just fishing for info.
WIFOM with a dash of CONFIRMING THAT YOU WERE ROLE-FISHING?
You're right - scum can't be this bad.
Don't role-fish. It's what scum do to try and find blue roles to kill at night. Try and find scum, not our blue roles. They'll do their job without you cheering them on because you found them.
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/confirmed
Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee)
kitaman
I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for.
bumatlarge-(also made a post here)
If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor.
Wiggles
You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote.
CC
Scum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks.
Foolishness (for BM)
I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples.
risk.nuke
Another campaign starting with I am not a very good town.
BM
Seems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign
BC
He is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience.
sandroba
"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability.
VE
I think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.
Meapak
The second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this.
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On January 13 2012 21:52 Toadesstern wrote:am I the only one who thinks BC's campaign is a little weird? I'm reading page 25 right now and I can't stop thinking about it. It feels off for some reason imo. I can't really put it down to something but although he said he's going to be accountable and vocal it doesn't feel like like townie-BC from the 80 player game. I voted him back than because I thought he's townie in that game and a lot of people said it's too dangerous to vote him because it's an instant-lose if he's scum. He answered a lot he made reasonable posts and everything he posted looked townish while I got the feeling he's trying to pretend to be town this game. Just take the part about foolishness for example. Sure foolishness is weird and someone has to point that out alright but I don't like that part at all: Show nested quote +I will question, analyze and call out all those who play in what I view as bad town/mafia like. (I have already done this with foolishness, he knows better). Sounds like "hey guys, see this? I am totally town! I put some effort in this and got pro-town things rolling". Does he really have to point out he's doing good? I'd like people to judge him on what he's doing themselves. Could be nothing at all but as mentioned I got a weird feeling when reading his posts and to me it's nothing like the last game I saw him play. Other than that: Still on page 25, still reading, still don't like palmar's post. However I actually like VE's post a lot but doubt that he's going to be mayor. He's putting some effort into this game and I don't think that that's his mafia-play at all.
As you are really the only person to respond to me about my campaign I am delighted to respond and hopefully remove your doubts of me.
As you point out my post is "weird".
You make note of how I am "pointing out that i am good". Rather I am pointing out I will be active. There is an extreme difference and anyone who has seen responsibility will know what I mean as I pretty well was inactive and posted the bare minimum.
As for the "i voted last time because people said hes took dangerous and insta lose if hes scum" you are missing the core bit of that game where I actively argued with people over fear mongering as what someones potential alignment is without a solid reason (no analysis) is not a valid reason to deny votes. This has not happened this game as everyone thus far seems to be running on their own merit as opposed to talking down fellow candidates.
As for the current thread.
Palmar makes
On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote:
I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day.
statement.
The last big game that was run Palmar got mayor and I got sheriff. Palmar hardcore ran that game, and invested a huge amount of his time into the game. For him to outright say "i have no intention of running for mayor" he would have been able to stop and seem like a fine post. But continuing with "or caring much about mayor elections" is where he comes off horribly wrong. He as shown in the past to care heavily about elections and the active pushing for towns to succeed.
He then throws his support behind a player based on "how dumb they might be" over a reason like "I believe x is a solid candidate" or "I am voting for x because i believe they have solid scum hunting" etc....
It comes off as very curt and unlike the palmar I have personally played with in the past.
On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 16:43 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 16:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler [campaign post] +This is my official campaign post!It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray!+ Show Spoiler + Bill Murray hasn't even posted yet. Why are you so sure you want him elected? On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? No, that was a joke based on his always scum reputation. I will lynch the scummiest candidate. On January 13 2012 15:09 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? I have successfully ruled this person out as mafia. I am good at this game. Explain. On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
A couple notes about the set-up:
Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic.
Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia.
We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them.
Vote me into office, please. I disagree, the mayor still has a fair amount of power as the game gets closer to LYLO. On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad. Rather than calling my posts bad, try adding something to the discussion. Are you running for mayor? If so, details. If not, what do you think of the candidates? Also, bum is directing blues already? planning ahead that much seems scummy... One more thing, if anyone was even considering it, don't run for mayor based on being a blue. It gives the scum too much information on day 1, and it could be scum lying. He's posting with a positive attitude and he didnt squeem at all at the prospect of lynching wiggles. Plus he took your lameness seriously :D I'm not planning ahead THAT much, and running for mayor as blue is perfectly reasonable reasoning. Unless a vanilla townie is very good, there is little reason for him to run over a townie. I find cheese's posting rather scummy so far. He seems rather content with stepping on peoples posts this game with not much regard to his own. I will review his case. I'm reading through and commenting on peoples play, yes. It was to draw out some reasons behind actions and thoughts that I'm trying to understand the motivation behind. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
It is not Foolishness's game
I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever
I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
It is not Foolishness's game
I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever
I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. Making up your mind on someone not even a quarter of the way into the first day? Seems legit. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it  Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one.
wtf is this post?
Your post is nothing if not confrontational without saying anything important. You attack someone earlier for not adding things to the discussion of the thread however you fail to do so here. You want to be elected yet your primary posting style at the moment is to make a massive quote post with 1 line explaining your take on a specific quote. In some cases, 1 word. This is not the behaviour indicative of someone the town would want to lead them. To quote you
"I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced"
As the way you are playing now all votes on your are misplaced. You are not posting in a manner that is inherently decent. You are not posting frequently with decent contented posts to get a solid read on you. You are not actively attempting to assert a mark on the role that puts you in a spotlight for good reasons. You are in a spotlight because you are insanely shifty in the eyes of many players.
EVERYONE should not be voting cybercheese unless he turns his game around now. Even if he is townie and he is insanely good he should know that his posts at the moment are terrible and are not ones that indicate the qualities someone who would be a good leader.
As for my take on the other candidates. At the moment I am willing to get behind either meapak, BM, or bumatlarge.
of the current people running, each of them has shown they can be active, make intelligent posts, and have clear ones that help get a general read on them. Everyone should be giving their take on who of the current candidates would make the best mayor. This way we can lower the total people "running" by taking the top 3 or 4 choices and voting as opposed to having 7-8 people running.
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BC is also scary good as red and I'm afraid of what he could do to town as a red mayor. For that reason I will NOT support his bid for mayor until he's clearly town...which probably won't happen during the election cycle. Sorry BC, that's what you get for being so scary as red :D
I'm going to go out on a limb here and support BM for my sheriff. I haven't read any of his games and in the spirit of not letting his past crimes flavor how I read him this game, I don't intend to. Judging solely from what I've seen this game, he seems to be scumhunting already, and I like it.
##Vote: Bill Murray
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Alright, alright, step aside.
/in it to win it.
I maybe new, but my senses are sharp, I know people and my Excel Spreadsheet was filling up, while reading this thread. So be assured, I will be active and vocal. There are some issues I want to mention. Here we go!
1) thoughts on campaigns (only the non-generic and interesting ones)
a) Bumatlarge (spoilered the lines to discuss (is that even English?):
+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 15:57 bumatlarge wrote:The "Why Bum should be mayor" post + Show Spoiler +
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wherebugsgo
Foolishness
BloodyC0bbler
Bill Murray
Palmar
Protactinium (Mystlord/Incognito)
: You are awesome, so post like you are awesome. Don't post around what your actions will be that night, perform your actions around how you are posting. I've never been a jack so what do I know. I am scanning for the best lynch at the moment, and I take what everyone says into account, so stop reading this and post.
I don't know about this whole "that's how we use the blues stuff". Why would he do that? I mean there's a bazillion guides out there. No reason to tell them how to play. That’s just not a game plan.
Also, the advice for the Jack doesn’t make any sense to me. If you are that special, don’t tell everyone or you will killed N1. “You are awesome, so post like you are awesome. […] I've never been a jack so what do I know.” Seems just off. And wrong.
Finally, the list to make of “Thread presence” people is not helping at all. Even I could’ve made this and this is my first game here.
=> Very unspecific campaign, not saying he’s scum. It’s just a bad campaign.
b)Foolishness
As odd as it may seem, this kind of makes sense. In my opinion, it would be very risky for the mafia to put 2 out of their 10 right into the spotlight. But this doesn’t mean both are town. If Fool is town then everything might be alright, on the other hand, if he’s scum he might as well spread confusion. Still kind of getting town vibes here.
c) BC.
The first campaign that actually has a game plan. Very focused. Straight forward: “I am running for mayor, I am accountable for my actions, I will question analyze…., I will harass lurkers, I will lead”. He doesn’t state things town could do to avoid unnecessary discussions. He’s not saying who he will lynch. No bullshit.
That is why I currently tend to vote him!
d) Meapak
Decent analysis what he thinks about the campaign. Little weak campaign, but signs of game plan as well. Really Townie!
2) EchelonTee -Mafia
Hmm. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=26#513
On the on hand, he provides candidates summaries, but that really is easy to do and a “scum thing” to fall back, if you know what I mean. Then he gets super intense about CCs (admittedly bad) posts.
That’s all alright, and I would be fine and not posting this, but then follows:
On January 13 2012 19:01 EchelonTee wrote:
Ah shit, forgot to take out the -Town tag after Wiggles. Well cats out of the bag, I think Wiggles is town.
This is either super obvious “Hey I am town and look for town” while being scum stuff or just a posting mistake. Then again, why would you add a “-town” tag into your post? Copy + Paste? Doesn’t make any sense to me. Something is off here. Super weird. This is just way to obvious.
3) Palmar.
To quote Entourage: “E doesn’t talk”. He made some one liners, but compared to TL-Mafia 48 (I believe…) it’s just nothing. One can see why you wouldn’t go for the mayor after this trouble. Still, this is very little which could well mean that he is blue and not try to get spotlighted or just what some guys have been posting, that he’s mafia and doesn’t really care at all. Needs more posts to be computed.
4) Cyrandor
C’mon guys give this guy a break, he made a couple of bad posts and claimed something wrong (kitaman), but isn’t this exactly the kind of stuff the mafia is looking for to blow up? Not saying he’s town, but it’s way too early to claim that he ain’t. It’s ok to be suspicious, but to lynch him right away? Nah…
That’s a wrap for my first post in mafia ever! At least I put some effort into it!
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Ah shit, forgot to take out the -Mafia tag after Echelon. Well cats out of the bag, I think Echo is mafia.
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BC who are you voting for, and Look at palmars play in mr wiggles mafia, I think he is trolling and fucking around so that he doesnt get killed by mafia. The last 2 I played with him he's gotten a raw deal for being good at town.
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BC, if you're town I think you'd make a fine Mayor - especially if you're as active as you've been so far this game. My issue with you is solely based on meta - you like most of the other vets tend to not play until D3 when information is high and chance for mistakes is low. There's NOTHING WRONG with that, it gets results...but I'm interested in a candidate who is going to be playing the game ALL game...not just D3 on.
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On January 14 2012 02:30 Jayjay54 wrote:
4) Cyrandor
C’mon guys give this guy a break, he made a couple of bad posts and claimed something wrong (kitaman), but isn’t this exactly the kind of stuff the mafia is looking for to blow up? Not saying he’s town, but it’s way too early to claim that he ain’t. It’s ok to be suspicious, but to lynch him right away? Nah…
Wtf is this? Never give a break to someone you believe is scum. Push them until they prove otherwise. The threat of getting lynched is one of the strongest tools we have as town.
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On January 14 2012 02:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC, if you're town I think you'd make a fine Mayor - especially if you're as active as you've been so far this game. My issue with you is solely based on meta - you like most of the other vets tend to not play until D3 when information is high and chance for mistakes is low. There's NOTHING WRONG with that, it gets results...but I'm interested in a candidate who is going to be playing the game ALL game...not just D3 on.
Eh? in smaller games with a core group of players where they are decent enough to dodge a solid read until d3 is why at least I typically am not active till then.
However. In larger games right from the getgo you have to be active. More new people, more people to hide in (as such people tend to slip up more as there is a level of security). As such by being active now and analyzing and calling people out you can snag them early or catch someone before they start getting coached by their team if red. This is something I like doing if at all possible.
I do appreciate your concern so I would levy you this question. Provided I do everything I said I will in my campaign post, as well as continue being active all through day 1 (as thats all we have to vote on) would you be willing to vote for me?
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On January 14 2012 02:30 Mattchew wrote:
BC who are you voting for, and Look at palmars play in mr wiggles mafia, I think he is trolling and fucking around so that he doesnt get killed by mafia. The last 2 I played with him he's gotten a raw deal for being good at town.
Everyone who is good at this game can get shafted 1 game to another. It sucks but it happens. We all have off games, we all have games where we make the right calls and at least some of them turn up offing a bad townie instead of a red. Being good and getting shafted will happen and should not make you bitter and apathetic. If that mindset was one you carried based off past experiences I would say don't sign up as it is only detrimental to the town.
As for who I am voting for? I already said which 3 candidates I most like at this moment and am going to wait till farther into the day to decide. One of the others may rise up and impress me, one of the 3 i mentioned may post and get on my radar etc....
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okay what's this fuss about bill murray? Why do people want him to be mayor? That guy is just a big null read for me and I have no idea how you're able to tell his alignment. Care to explain?
@BC on what he said about palmar: Yeah that's exactly what I thought, however don't you think palmar is better than that?
Sure he does not care about town when he's scum but do you really think he'd post what you quoted as a mafia?
It's just so over the top scummy that I think it's another trick of his. Like suggesting a rnd vote in whatever the game was called. Everyone was calling him out and everyone thinks that's scummy as hell because it is.
I somehow got the feeling he did that on purpose.
The first thing you quoted is just incredbile off. And yet he did a 2nd post like that saying he'll decide what he's about to do based on someone else being dumb or not. Again, that's just an overkill and I can't imagine him posting that without a reason at all.
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On January 14 2012 02:34 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:30 Jayjay54 wrote:
4) Cyrandor
C’mon guys give this guy a break, he made a couple of bad posts and claimed something wrong (kitaman), but isn’t this exactly the kind of stuff the mafia is looking for to blow up? Not saying he’s town, but it’s way too early to claim that he ain’t. It’s ok to be suspicious, but to lynch him right away? Nah…
Wtf is this? Never give a break to someone you believe is scum. Push them until they prove otherwise. The threat of getting lynched is one of the strongest tools we have as town.
100% correct,
I was just saying that I don't believe yet he's scum and that scum would make a huge deal out of nothing.
Imo there are like 3 or 4 people who I'd rather lynch and get an idea. first one is -town guy.
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On January 14 2012 02:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC, if you're town I think you'd make a fine Mayor - especially if you're as active as you've been so far this game. My issue with you is solely based on meta - you like most of the other vets tend to not play until D3 when information is high and chance for mistakes is low. There's NOTHING WRONG with that, it gets results...but I'm interested in a candidate who is going to be playing the game ALL game...not just D3 on. Eh? in smaller games with a core group of players where they are decent enough to dodge a solid read until d3 is why at least I typically am not active till then. However. In larger games right from the getgo you have to be active. More new people, more people to hide in (as such people tend to slip up more as there is a level of security). As such by being active now and analyzing and calling people out you can snag them early or catch someone before they start getting coached by their team if red. This is something I like doing if at all possible. I do appreciate your concern so I would levy you this question. Provided I do everything I said I will in my campaign post, as well as continue being active all through day 1 (as thats all we have to vote on) would you be willing to vote for me?
Absolutely - I've made my concerns for you known and if you prove them to be unfounded then I'll absolutely support your bid.
What's it going to take to get your support for mine? 
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On January 13 2012 15:22 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. LOL that's a good reason to get you voted in. Lynching someone for having an opinion.
What does this post do? Ciryandor does not attempt to clarify his earlier position or attempt to bring us into mutual understanding. Instead, he mockingly attempts to discredit me by misrepresenting my statement and reframing it in a way that paints him in a favorable light. I never say that I want to lynch him for having an opinion, I called bullshit on his statement that Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Seriously, if you really believe what you said, tell us why you thought Mr. Wiggles had the best campaign.
Furthermore, Ciryandor initially states that:
On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again.
While Ciryandor says that he wants to hear good reasons for Wiggles/Cyber_Cheese running, he makes no attempt to draw out information from Wiggles even though it is clear that they are both online (they are both posting until page 24). Instead, he loosely dismisses my accusations as well as GGQ's, and proceeds to babble nonsense about Foolishness and Bill Murray.
Ciryandor is twisting my words.
Ciryandor is bullshitting that Wiggles has the best campaign.
Ciryandor shows no further interest in extracting information about Wiggles' campaign despite claiming he wanted good reasons.
Ciryandor continues to babble on about useless topics (Bill Murray) after giving a strange reaction to my/GGQ's accusations.
I've noticed that a lot of players are omitting my campaign for mayor in their lists of people running for mayor. But I'm not trolling. I am seriously running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor.
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Slardar For Mayor
"Come at me bro" ![[image loading]](http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3J48Hr6Q4V37xQ3k-MvQ0AfJu5MGADof26tBJ37N2t0aQvFpqKO4CfCEaEQ)
As Mayor - I will make sure to kill Liquid`Sheth immediately. He is too nice to be trusted, that is all.
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On January 14 2012 02:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 16:43 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 16:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler [campaign post] +This is my official campaign post!It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray!+ Show Spoiler + Bill Murray hasn't even posted yet. Why are you so sure you want him elected? On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? No, that was a joke based on his always scum reputation. I will lynch the scummiest candidate. On January 13 2012 15:09 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? I have successfully ruled this person out as mafia. I am good at this game. Explain. On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
A couple notes about the set-up:
Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic.
Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia.
We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them.
Vote me into office, please. I disagree, the mayor still has a fair amount of power as the game gets closer to LYLO. On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad. Rather than calling my posts bad, try adding something to the discussion. Are you running for mayor? If so, details. If not, what do you think of the candidates? Also, bum is directing blues already? planning ahead that much seems scummy... One more thing, if anyone was even considering it, don't run for mayor based on being a blue. It gives the scum too much information on day 1, and it could be scum lying. He's posting with a positive attitude and he didnt squeem at all at the prospect of lynching wiggles. Plus he took your lameness seriously :D I'm not planning ahead THAT much, and running for mayor as blue is perfectly reasonable reasoning. Unless a vanilla townie is very good, there is little reason for him to run over a townie. I find cheese's posting rather scummy so far. He seems rather content with stepping on peoples posts this game with not much regard to his own. I will review his case. I'm reading through and commenting on peoples play, yes. It was to draw out some reasons behind actions and thoughts that I'm trying to understand the motivation behind. On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
It is not Foolishness's game
I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever
I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation. On January 13 2012 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
It is not Foolishness's game
I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever
I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. Making up your mind on someone not even a quarter of the way into the first day? Seems legit. On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one. wtf is this post? Your post is nothing if not confrontational without saying anything important. You attack someone earlier for not adding things to the discussion of the thread however you fail to do so here. You want to be elected yet your primary posting style at the moment is to make a massive quote post with 1 line explaining your take on a specific quote. In some cases, 1 word. This is not the behaviour indicative of someone the town would want to lead them. To quote you "I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced" As the way you are playing now all votes on your are misplaced. You are not posting in a manner that is inherently decent. You are not posting frequently with decent contented posts to get a solid read on you. You are not actively attempting to assert a mark on the role that puts you in a spotlight for good reasons. You are in a spotlight because you are insanely shifty in the eyes of many players. EVERYONE should not be voting cybercheese unless he turns his game around now. Even if he is townie and he is insanely good he should know that his posts at the moment are terrible and are not ones that indicate the qualities someone who would be a good leader. As for my take on the other candidates. At the moment I am willing to get behind either meapak, BM, or bumatlarge. of the current people running, each of them has shown they can be active, make intelligent posts, and have clear ones that help get a general read on them. Everyone should be giving their take on who of the current candidates would make the best mayor. This way we can lower the total people "running" by taking the top 3 or 4 choices and voting as opposed to having 7-8 people running.
Yes it's less helpful than it could be. That does not mean there was no content. Bill Murray needs to explain his read, and why it convinced him so much for starters.
BC, who would you vote for right now and why? Moreover, who would you lynch, and why?
On January 14 2012 02:02 rgTheSchworz wrote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Show nested quote + On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote: /confirm LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot. I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. You give no reason, cite a troll post, yet you are active.I have delved into town-Palmar and yes, town-Palmar usually runs for mayor or takes interest in mayoral elections.More than one-liner posts would be helpful. FoS Palmar. D3, why lynch BM? He first got involved in elections by Foolishness and then posted to say why CC is hypocritical, which is semi-relevant.Maybe he is trying to defend bumat. On the other hand sandro has been like,, I will be running for mayor''. BUT Show nested quote +and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot
Blueclaim. Rgtheschworz signing out
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