EPTWe have never declared that we are representing e-sports in the west/europe/sea whatever.
Racism is the worst form of discrimination.
FXO FIGHTING in GSTL - Page 31
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
We have never declared that we are representing e-sports in the west/europe/sea whatever. Racism is the worst form of discrimination. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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monkh
United Kingdom568 Posts
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Crisco
1170 Posts
On June 26 2011 14:59 FXOpen wrote: As I have said in a previous statement. We are representatives of FXO. If someone wants to put us on a throne and say "foreigner represetitives" thats their choice. But we have no obligation to "non koreans". We are there to play sc2 at the most competitive level and improve not only as a team, but as individuals as well. We have never declared that we are representing e-sports in the west/europe/sea whatever. Racism is the worst form of discrimination. And you will do incredibly well and improve BOUNDS. Don't get discouraged by these idiots, this is the beginning to a dramatic improvement where you will gain not only the skill but the discpline to challenge even the best koreans by the end. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 26 2011 14:47 StyLeD wrote: What the f*** is the racist bullshit. Just because Moonan is Korean doesn't make him a foreigner? He's just as much a foreigner as the rest of us. No one gives a damn about what players they use. They're in team FXO and that's all the matters. GTFO... lol i typed out a reply to this but then had 2nd thoughts about it as I'd probably get warned for being a retarded troll so instead i post it in a spoiler. I can't let all the effort of alternating caps go to waste + Show Spoiler + iF dEy AiNt WhItE dEn DeY AiNnNt RiGhT KoReAnZ R NoObZ AnYwAyZ iF FxO wAs AnY SmArT ThEy WoUlD HiRe CoMbAtEx NoT SoMe KoReAn FoReiGnUh wAnnAbE LyKe CoWnAn WhAts EvEn Da PoInT oF sEnDiNg A BuNcH Of KoReAnS 2 KoReA wE sHoUlD bE SeNdiNg WhItEs So ThAt ThEy CaN SeE R sTrEnGtH ThErE iS a ReAsOn GsL GoT TwIcE aS hArD wHen HuK aNd JiNrO JoInEd AnD iTs BecAuSe ThEy MaDe iT wHiTe aNd ThAt MeAnS iTz TyMe 4 SuM ReAl CoMpeTitIon | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On June 26 2011 14:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Bro, don't you get it? These random posters clearly know more. They have all of the inside information on FXO's strongest matchups including maps and know that July and Bomber were the biggest problems. They're masters of the SC2 universe. They could run FXO better from their basements because they're that well versed in all of the details. Thank you for this post. I was starting to rage over the sheer stupidity people were posting, but this made me laugh. | ||
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inamorato
United States263 Posts
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected. These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him. It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here. What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL. Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here. I reengaged FXOBoSs, questioning his thought process and logic behind his lineup selection, and response to the opponent in a respectful manner. I find it highly entertaining to be able to pick the brain of a professional coach and have a response that was well thought and out spoken. I think to deny passionate spectators an opportunity to receive feedback from this equally passionate manager would be disrespectful. Furthermore, Again, I appreciate the effort and dedication that you've displayed just to this thread FXOBoSs. I appreciate the opportunity to intelligently converse on the nuances of the event and would be thrilled to do so in much further detail in the future. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On June 26 2011 16:22 inamorato wrote: I reengaged FXOBoSs, questioning his thought process and logic behind his lineup selection, and response to the opponent in a respectful manner. I find it highly entertaining to be able to pick the brain of a professional coach and have a response that was well thought and out spoken. I think to deny passionate spectators an opportunity to receive feedback from this equally passionate manager would be disrespectful. Furthermore, Again, I appreciate the effort and dedication that you've displayed just to this thread FXOBoSs. I appreciate the opportunity to intelligently converse on the nuances of the event and would be thrilled to do so in much further detail in the future. Nobody is saying anyone should be denied a chance to receive feedback. I'm only saying its wrong to attack him the way a lot of fans have attacked him here. Some were calling his thoughts "absurd" or even asking if he was "trolling," that's just stupid. I'm not asking for outright silence, just a respectful tone. The way people speak to the FXO manager here, it's easy to see why he would stop posting or interacting further with people, it's embarrassing. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On June 26 2011 14:05 jHERO wrote: Exactly.. its not hard to believe? its incredibly hard to believe when the manager says something like "based on ladder pts, we have concluded bomber/july are ST's weakest link" if he cannot provide a solid explanation then he should not comment on the korean players, and these "comments" will be seen as disrespecting said korean players, who we all know and respect. its would be like me coming in here and saying SHETH and QXC are both weak/bad because they have no GSL past performance. see? thats trolling, and its the equivalent of saying "blah blah bomber blah blah july blah blah they bad, because ladder points." He never said July or Bomber are their weakest link, he never even said they were weak or bad, just that they weren't their biggest worries for Startale based on a lot of factors. edit: Just checked your post history, it's an awful mess of warnings and bans that you don't listen to, so goodbye. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
He just stated his opinion based on the research FXO did and its not like he called either of those players bad or anything. You guys can disagree but do it like normal well adjusted human beings. But I don't agree that Tiger used a "I must win with this" strategy against QXC >_> but whatevs. Hope to see more of FXO in their GSTL run, keep up the good work guys. | ||
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jmack
Canada285 Posts
Makes me want to cheer for fxo hard. | ||
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SixPackAbs
United States160 Posts
Can't wait til the zenex match :D | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 26 2011 17:31 SixPackAbs wrote: Boss is a boss. Where anyone would get "disrespecting the Koreans" from him saying Bomber wasn't their biggest threat? Bomber and July are tough, but Ace is tougher. Can't wait til the zenex match :D I'm actually hoping FXO drops ZeNex 4-0. Then, FXO will have more map victories than ZeNex  | ||
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ThePhasE
Romania12 Posts
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ELlminator1
Australia344 Posts
Keep up the good work FXO, slay some nerds. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
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LeadingProgamer
Japan57 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
Anyways, I was very excited with the FXO matches and thought they did really well. Felt sad for qxc for dropping the first match (especially against dt's). Got really scared when Sheth almost lost and got really, really excited when he clawed his way back into the match and won. Nevertheless 2:4 is a respectable results. Especially considering that there is so much pressure on the team. I understand that FXO is saying that they are not representing the entire foreign community but they are the first non-korean SC team to compete in Korea. They should be better used now to the environment and I think they will play even better from here on. I'm really hoping they will make the playoffs. And BTW... How can Sheth play with his keyboard in his lap? I would really like to understand the mechanics of that. Doesn't it constantly shift without the firm support of a desk/table? | ||
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chokke
Norway228 Posts
The biggest issue I have, is that they have a korean player (not someone with korean origin) and acts like the foreign voice and hope in the GSTL. A player like Select, would go for a foreigner, but a retired BW pro, not so much and shouldn't be part of FXO within THIS GSTL, simply because of the expectations of watching foreigners compete. How about a "worst case scenario", that would be if that z wins every match he plays, and basically solo the GSTL (unlikely, but let's assume it happens). Would it be fair to say foreigners are able to compete? And no, it has nothing to do with racism. Edit: Rephrased/remove a sentance | ||
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