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On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote:
From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
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On February 24 2009 06:56 minus_human wrote:
Also listen to Testie you freaking noobs
why should we?
I will rather listen to Rekrul, because he is correct. Idra is very bad mannered by saying that F91 played dumb. He did not type GG. He assumed, he did not adjust during the games. And its not the first time.
Adjust or leave.
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On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote:
Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
It may not be the "right" thing to do but I'm sure it certainly gives people a deep sense of satisfaction to see a guy who treats everyone he comes in contact with like dog shit failing miserably - and getting to dump on him for it. It's not like Idra said gg and respectfully accepted the loss. He did what he does - he acted like a flaming fuckhead and cried about it. Of course people jump on the opportunity.
You're trying to hold people to much too high a relative standard. This isn't about constructive criticism, it's about venting and getting some revenge. Maybe it's not the moral high road, but it's certainly not wrong.
On another note, I think what would be far more effective would have been for no one to respond to any posts about this and to not make any comments at all about the series. Shake your head and forget about it. I think that would have said a lot more to Idra than a flamefest, however fun the flamefest may be -_-
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A similar case might be actually....Kanye West
Kayne West is obviously not of huge similarity, just the part where he talks about being the voice of teh Generation and how he shoulda been in the bible and shit, then he doesn't win some MTV award or w/e and throws a hugeass hissy fit and people tell him he deserves it cause he's an arrogant cockmonger
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On February 24 2009 07:02 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote:
From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him.
I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all.
I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part.
Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless
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great post Testie my hero, good to see you!
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On February 24 2009 07:15 minus_human wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 07:02 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote:
From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around. Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all. I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part. Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless
If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
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On February 24 2009 07:24 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 07:15 minus_human wrote:On February 24 2009 07:02 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote:
From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around. Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all. I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part. Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
I agree, I think that if he doesn't learn anything he usually ends up believing his own illogical excuses dismissing any chance that he may had been wrong ingame, and in an arrogant fashion.
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On February 24 2009 07:24 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 07:15 minus_human wrote:On February 24 2009 07:02 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote:
From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around. Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all. I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part. Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
He takes it seriously, he believes in himself and he believes he can beat anyone. In many ways that's a good thing.
You can't say for sure he's just brushing it aside as nothing, I'm sure he's pretty gutted.
I just hope he learns from the experiences and improves.
Bring on TSL2, that's what I say.
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On February 24 2009 07:33 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 07:24 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 07:15 minus_human wrote:On February 24 2009 07:02 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote:
From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around. Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all. I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part. Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another. He takes it seriously, he believes in himself and he believes he can beat anyone. In many ways that's a good thing. You can't say for sure he's just brushing it aside as nothing, I'm sure he's pretty gutted. I just hope he learns from the experiences and improves. Bring on TSL2, that's what I say.
So you're saying you'll work 8 hours a day on TSL2? I'm sick of people being like "gogo tsl2" as if we're just too lazy to flick a switch and make it happen. 
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Also I'm curious to know, how well can Idra communicate with his Korean training partners from CJ? I don't think he speaks any Korean, and as far as I can guess, none of the players there know English.
could someone elaborate? If he is hardly able to communicate with them, it makes a little more sense as to why he's practice has been so mechanics-focused, while lacking the development of a bigger game perspective.
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On February 24 2009 07:37 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 07:33 Klive5ive wrote:On February 24 2009 07:24 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 07:15 minus_human wrote:On February 24 2009 07:02 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote:
From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around. Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all. I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part. Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another. He takes it seriously, he believes in himself and he believes he can beat anyone. In many ways that's a good thing. You can't say for sure he's just brushing it aside as nothing, I'm sure he's pretty gutted. I just hope he learns from the experiences and improves. Bring on TSL2, that's what I say. So you're saying you'll work 8 hours a day on TSL2? I'm sick of people being like "gogo tsl2" as if we're just too lazy to flick a switch and make it happen.
haha I was gonna say smth like this
and LOL there's a lot of sponsorship required, that money doesn't just grow on every fucking tree
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On February 24 2009 07:37 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 07:33 Klive5ive wrote:On February 24 2009 07:24 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 07:15 minus_human wrote:On February 24 2009 07:02 Chef wrote:On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote:
From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around. Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all. I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part. Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another. He takes it seriously, he believes in himself and he believes he can beat anyone. In many ways that's a good thing. You can't say for sure he's just brushing it aside as nothing, I'm sure he's pretty gutted. I just hope he learns from the experiences and improves. Bring on TSL2, that's what I say. So you're saying you'll work 8 hours a day on TSL2? I'm sick of people being like "gogo tsl2" as if we're just too lazy to flick a switch and make it happen. Nah you got me wrong I'm not saying that at all... I'm just saying it will be incredibly awesome if it happens.
I would actually love to help in anyway I can.
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he knows basic korean, after living in korea for 9 months you have to pick up SOMETHING
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On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote:
Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
lol!
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did.
He banned Manifesto and continued with out letting him ob for the sick lag alone...ok maybe thats true but atleast don't be a dickhead about it.
He wrote about the strategies.. Sure maybe he didn't intend it like an ass-head but he came across that way, not to mention he was speaking in absolutes and being incorrect. If you're going to talk in a pompous fashion, intended or not, atleast get your facts straight or prepare for the whirlwind.
He didn't even "GG" for christ sakes. Not that I care and I don't think GG'ing should be standard as it doesn't matter...but come on it's a standard in progaming and once again even if he didn't intend it that way he was showing utter disrespect to his opponent. As harmless as it is in his eyes, it appears classless to everyone else.
It's up to those in the spotlight to act manner according to peoples expectations or else they're going to feel the hate.
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the publics expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
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On February 24 2009 07:47 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote:
Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people. lol! Show nested quote +IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. He banned Manifesto and continued with out letting him ob for the sick lag alone...ok maybe thats true but atleast don't be a dickhead about it. He wrote about the strategies.. Sure maybe he didn't intend it like an ass-head but he came across that way, not to mention he was speaking in absolutes and being incorrect. If you're going to talk in a pompous fashion, intended or not, atleast get your facts straight or prepare for the whirlwind. He didn't even "GG" for christ sakes. Not that I care and I don't think GG'ing should be standard as it doesn't matter...but come on it's a standard in progaming and once again even if he didn't intend it that way he was showing utter disrespect to his opponent. As harmless as it is in his eyes, it appears classless to everyone else. It's up to those in the spotlight to act manner according to peoples expectations or else they're going to feel the hate. You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the publics expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
I hate testie almost as much as IdrA, nicely put Rekrul.
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On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote:
Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
If he hadn't been bm, inferiority-complex-laden, arrogant and ignorant in the first place, none of this would've happened.
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This thread is 5% good arguments and 95% mindless follow-the-leader. Rekrul and Testie both have their share of fans, too blind to see the other sides arguments.
Frankly I'm surprised this thing has gotten so big. IdrA sucked, he BM'd, but frankly I'm surprised at people caring this much. Have we really been lacking drama for so long?
Lastly though, this thread delivers. Those 5% quallity posts were worth it, the rest were great for laughs 
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On February 24 2009 07:47 Rekrul wrote:
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the public's expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
Testie strikes me as the older guy on the scene, who despite his past has matured. That's why he's acting with a strong morality and that's why he's more lenient to Idra. I think it's really childish to say that after all these years he's trying to prove anything.
Have you matured, Rekrul? I for one think, that while this thread could have been avoided, it was necessary. The way you did it though was uncalled for, especially since you knew what type of response you would get from the community.
You yourself said you love to stir shit up. The big question is why, and the answer isn't so hidden as you think.
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On February 24 2009 07:59 minus_human wrote:
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Testie strikes me as the older guy on the scene, who despite his past has matured. That's why he's acting with a strong morality and that's why he's more lenient to Idra. I think it's really childish to say that after all these years he's trying to prove anything.
Have you matured, Rekrul? I for one think, that while this thread could have been avoided, it was necessary. The way you did it though was uncalled for, especially since you knew what type of response you would get from the community.
You yourself said you love to stir shit up. The big question is why, and the answer isn't so hidden as you think.
How was this thread uncalled for? A lot of people here felt this way about idrea and rekrul voiced it.
I am however starting to wonder if Idra isn't some /b/tard that's trolling all of us..
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