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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
No idea why it wasn't posted yet. green color is for flavor inb4 tunneling | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
On October 17 2013 07:48 Holyflare wrote: Also on the point of the QT's. I implore you to post as much as you can in there. QT - to me anyway, seems a lot more casual than posting in the main thread. It is another angle where you can garner information about people. As long as it doesn't detract from people forumlating opinions and whatnot then there is nothing but beneficial information you can gain. To reiterate on my point; the problem with spending activity in the QT is that that is activity that you are not spending in thread. Even if you bring your information/analysis to the thread, the exact wording of people cannot be copied from QTs, taking away the ability for the rest of the town to be able to directly analyze what people are saying. The exact wording and tone is very important in scumhunting and is lost in translation if too much activity is in the QT. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 14 2013 05:47 EchelonTee wrote: slytherin pls Funny in hindsight So... with the toad dislike stuff. Are you writing that there to: - Clear ya chest? - Receive thread feedback? - Receive a response from Toad? - Insert other? Out of curiosity; assuming you wanted a response from Toad, why not ask in the QT? Or did you want this to be a highlight in the thread? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I guess that is why you are meant to F5 before posting. lol | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
On October 17 2013 18:51 Mocsta wrote: Funny in hindsight So... with the toad dislike stuff. Are you writing that there to: - Clear ya chest? - Receive thread feedback? - Receive a response from Toad? - Insert other? Out of curiosity; assuming you wanted a response from Toad, why not ask in the QT? Or did you want this to be a highlight in the thread? What kind of question is this? I wrote that to 1.) clear my chest, aka state what I'm thinking 2.) recieve thread feedback. That's why I posted in thread. 3.) receive a response from toad. That's why I quoted him instead of generally talking about QTs. I wanted a response from Toad in thread for reasons I've already mentioned. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
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You-Know-Who
Great Britain155 Posts
Day 1 Vote Count Cephiro (1): supersoft Skanjab1s (1): raynpelikonoshi Mattchew (1): Pandain VayneAuthority (1): yamato77 Sn0_Man (1): StorrZerg Currently Cephiro is set to be lynched. Deadline is in . Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in the Voting Thread. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 17 2013 18:34 EchelonTee wrote: Other than Toad not wanting you to dislike his play; there is nothing written here that Toad has to address. I really, really dislike this. The QT's are basically imperfect mason circles; while a mason circle with confirmed townies is extremely powerful to bounce reads off one another, one that almost definitely has scum in it is very open to manipulation. Any interesting information (people's town lists anyone?) that is listed in a QT, but not in the thread will still make it to the scum, giving them an edge. The QTs are also inferior compared to PM circles, as you can pick and choose who you PM and try to get share information only with people you believe to be town. The majority of the activity should be in thread. I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread, but hidden information in QTs is decisively negative. I'm also still considering if the town as a whole should decide on how to use the prizes from challenges or not; putting it up to a town vote would 1.) generate healthy discussion, 2.)allow the town to have more control how these power items will be used. In essence, your contribution was written as a generic observation or musing; henceforth my query. Perhaps i should have added that there is a Slytherin QT post from ET that suggests he finds Toad difficult to read/play with; but I don't see how that would have significant bearing. Lastly, On October 17 2013 18:59 EchelonTee wrote: 3.) receive a response from toad. That's why I quoted him instead of generally talking about QTs. Your post is quoted above. I did not see any Toad quotes? Again, I find it comprehend how this post in question invites any meaningful dialogue from the target (Toad). | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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LastArgument
United States152 Posts
On October 17 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote: Because he doesn't have any reads, because he's mafia? It's my impression that LA is a relatively new player and he could very well be using the setup as an excuse to look active when he has a difficult time actually posting as mafia. I know I do that. Your impression would be totally incorrect. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
On October 17 2013 19:10 Mocsta wrote: I implied nothing of the sort. You stated: On October 17 2013 18:51 Mocsta wrote: In exclusion, this statement directly implies that I dislike toad. When I first read this part I thought you were claiming I called toad scummy. Not a big deal I just didn't like the lack of clarity.So... with the toad dislike stuff. On October 17 2013 19:10 Mocsta wrote:Other than Toad not wanting you to dislike his play; there is nothing written here that Toad has to address. Are you kidding me? I directly replied to one of Toad's post saying that I disagree with he said. Did I have to put "Toad, what do you think about what I've said?" to satisfy you? Also, my first posts will be about setup. That's how mafia works. Downplaying my analysis of the setup as a "generic observation", instead of responding to my actual content, is just strange.In essence, your contribution was written as a generic observation or musing; henceforth my query. Perhaps i should have added that there is a Slytherin QT post from ET that suggests he finds Toad difficult to read/play with; but I don't see how that would have significant bearing. Toad is difficult to read. This is not news unless he has significantly changed his play. For those wondering, I basically stated "why do you claim town toad, it sux".Lastly, You cut off the part where I directly quote him, just turn back a page and you'll see. If I directly reply to someone's post saying I really, really dislike what they said, then yes they are expected to respond.Your post is quoted above. I did not see any Toad quotes? Again, I find it comprehend how this post in question invites any meaningful dialogue from the target (Toad). I feel like you're just wasting my time. You're trying to imply that I'm posting fluff and beating around the bush when I'm talking about something that is incredibly pertinent, the amount of activity in QT vs the amount of activity in thread. Stop it. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
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LastArgument
United States152 Posts
On October 17 2013 17:23 Mocsta wrote: Interesting. I didn't take him to be a new player based on how manipulative I felt he was when conversing. Perhaps hes new to this forum; but I doubt he is new of mafia/debating. For me personally, I don't have confidence to assign his obsession with houses as a hardline town/scum tell. Other than the manipulation aspect: What I don't like, is how he went ad-hom into Hopeless1der to propel his argument. I am not sure what to make of how quickly Hopeless1der caved in, either. Please explain what was ad-hom about my arguments. And why my arguments were in any way incorrect (they were not). Hopeless1der jumped all over me for questioning your post about the house reveal. In fact I would say he defended you quite irrationally, saying you were pro-town even if your logic might be incorrect (?). Further, he then tried to discredit the point of view I was putting forth by proposing an example of a player with a certain ability. On October 17 2013 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote: (Completely made up ability) polyjuice potion/roleblock and infiltrate target [house] player's QT. This ability fails if you guess the targets house incorrectly. Mocsta's tone is definitely protown, even if you don't like the logic. and furthered this with the not-very-rigorous Closed setups and contests and whatnot as a reason. In effect, Hopeless attempted to fabricate a scenario to discredit my point of view, as in the quote above, while at the same time telling me there was 'zero' potential benefit for revealing house members. He later backed down and agreed with me, perhaps realising that he was on the losing side of the argument with me. In addition, Hopeless repeatedly pressed Skanjab for a name that he was mysteriously referring to in one of his posts. He asked him again and again and again; finally Skanjab provided a name and Hopeless didn't even comment on it. What was the purpose of this? Finally Hopeless provides a "town side of null" read to me, which seems quite out of place given the condescension he used in his arguments with me. It's worth repeating that Pandain pointed out that Cephiro made a substantial post of sorts in his house-QT without posting in the thread. Tunkeg also made a fairly irrelevant post in our QT without any followup in thread. These are two players I would usually associate with getting stuck into the action. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
ET Take a chill pill. This is the last I will say on the matter. Toad dislike stuff => You were talking about Toad & disliking an aspect of his play. Stop contorting what I am writing. Its plain & clear. As for the remainder; we can agree to disagree. Maybe old-school, new-school play different, i don't really care. i thought what you wrote is purely an observation on someone that is difficult to read.. so whats the point at this stage in the game. In my opinion if you were seeking genuine thread feedback; the effort is misplaced/unproductive. Everyone agrees Toad is hard to read; move on to the other scum targets. Hence why I thought it was a conversation more pertinent to the QT regardless of your stance on QT activity. Thats my PoV. I dont care if you take it or leave it. | ||
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LastArgument
United States152 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 17 2013 19:41 LastArgument wrote: Yeah re-read. I take back the Hopeless ad-hom. I mis-read. Fair comment from you.+ Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 17:23 Mocsta wrote: Interesting. I didn't take him to be a new player based on how manipulative I felt he was when conversing. Perhaps hes new to this forum; but I doubt he is new of mafia/debating. For me personally, I don't have confidence to assign his obsession with houses as a hardline town/scum tell. Other than the manipulation aspect: What I don't like, is how he went ad-hom into Hopeless1der to propel his argument. I am not sure what to make of how quickly Hopeless1der caved in, either. Please explain what was ad-hom about my arguments. And why my arguments were in any way incorrect (they were not). Hopeless1der jumped all over me for questioning your post about the house reveal. In fact I would say he defended you quite irrationally, saying you were pro-town even if your logic might be incorrect (?). Further, he then tried to discredit the point of view I was putting forth by proposing an example of a player with a certain ability. On October 17 2013 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote: (Completely made up ability) polyjuice potion/roleblock and infiltrate target [house] player's QT. This ability fails if you guess the targets house incorrectly. Mocsta's tone is definitely protown, even if you don't like the logic. and furthered this with the not-very-rigorous Closed setups and contests and whatnot as a reason. In effect, Hopeless attempted to fabricate a scenario to discredit my point of view, as in the quote above, while at the same time telling me there was 'zero' potential benefit for revealing house members. He later backed down and agreed with me, perhaps realising that he was on the losing side of the argument with me. In addition, Hopeless repeatedly pressed Skanjab for a name that he was mysteriously referring to in one of his posts. He asked him again and again and again; finally Skanjab provided a name and Hopeless didn't even comment on it. What was the purpose of this? Finally Hopeless provides a "town side of null" read to me, which seems quite out of place given the condescension he used in his arguments with me. It's worth repeating that Pandain pointed out that Cephiro made a substantial post of sorts in his house-QT without posting in the thread. Tunkeg also made a fairly irrelevant post in our QT without any followup in thread. These are two players I would usually associate with getting stuck into the action. I agree that the town read on you was odd; as was his reaction to my SAM claim. If you want to talk about people posting in the QT but not the thread. Sn0 has made a handful of minor comments in the QT; and Skanjab has been active as well. Between the two, I have found Skanjab posts in the QT of more use than Sn0. Its hard to paraphrase though. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On October 17 2013 19:17 Onegu wrote: The hydra really needs to say who is actually writeing, I am very confident in my ability to read koshi as I have pegged him in every game we have played, but I dont read rayne well. I also dont have a problem with people not wanting to win the contest. I dont think it is scummy just anti town. I am going to reread some people after dinner. rayn will sign his posts. But don't expect too many posts from him. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
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LastArgument
United States152 Posts
On October 17 2013 20:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: In other news. VA is playing his scum meta in the QT. What is his scum meta? This statement is useless without qualification. | ||
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