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It's nearing 4 and I have a full day of classes/work tomorrow. I will be back ~2 hours before the deadline but will likely not have the time to do the appropriate amount of scumhunting. There hasn't been significant development of scum targets, which is a serious problem.
People I have issues with:
Onegu
On October 17 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:
Sorry really busy yesterday I am catching up now.
This first post is quite small and easy to skip over, but it reeks of an apologetic nature. Compare it with the first few posts in this thread; random roleplaying, questioning, and sturdy statements. I'm not sure if Onegu is new or vet but this post is a classic "I'm scum, don't really know what to say hope the thread doesn't notice me" post.
On October 17 2013 18:20 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:56 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it? Well. You don't know how many scum are where. What if an entire house is scum? Surely you play to our win con - find and kill scum scum. These items imply that they will be nothing but helpful in doing so. If you know you are town, why would you not want something beneficial to use to help our victory, especially doing something as simple as googling a pick up line. What is the DOWNSIDE to not participating? + Show Spoiler +
Sorry I am still catching up and when I see something to point out I will do so. I agree with the first part, since it is impossible to know the scum distribution then it is alao possible that scum do not know the members of each house. For this reason I think it is a bad idea to post house lists, moreso in this game than in GoT since it is a qt and not just pms. I am not caught up and the house lists might already be out, and if they are look at the people who gave out house lists first, in GoT the first person who just gave out house lists while argueing for doing so was scum. The second part being lazy isnt much of a scum tell imo.
Again with the sorry. Implies that list poster = scum; this looks like a weak push attempt.
On October 17 2013 19:17 Onegu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
The hydra really needs to say who is actually writeing, I am very confident in my ability to read koshi as I have pegged him in every game we have played, but I dont read rayne well. I also dont have a problem with people not wanting to win the contest. I dont think it is scummy just anti town. I am going to reread some people after dinner.
This post is parroting ideas already stated; that the hydra needs to state who is posting. parroting = bad
raynpelikonoshi
On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sShow nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are"
His first accusation has very weak basis. skanjab was clearly roleplaying and rayne+kosh use that as a reason for scum? And next he uses skanjab's inability to read the OP as a reason for scumminess. In fact, I would argue scum is much more likely to closely read the OP to not make mistakes like that, as they have a more involved role within the game. I find people make arguements of "oh, this person is trying to fake noob towniesness!" when in fact there are just a lot of noob townies around. He doesn't develop the argumenet further from this, just lets the vote lie.
I'm tired as hell and have to sleep will try and post more tomorrow.
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On October 17 2013 20:04 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
In other news. VA is playing his scum meta in the QT. What is his scum meta? This statement is useless without qualification.
This clearly articulates why I dislike the QT activity that does not get fully transferred over to thread
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raynpelikonoshi accueses regarding skanjab are cheap and artificial.
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On October 17 2013 20:04 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
In other news. VA is playing his scum meta in the QT. What is his scum meta? This statement is useless without qualification.
Yeah true, but he hasn't posted enough so I'll keep it for myself for a while. Let's say I put a strong FoS on him and you can call me out on it later.
Cephiro said the chance that he skimmed the thread but nothing too bad happened, that there is a 91% chance that 6 scummers are in 2 houses or less (I guess he means 9%), and that keeping things in QT only is beneficial for mafia for that reason.
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About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway.
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I'm not familiar with Koshi's play, but that was my impression as well. Skanjab seemed like a very easy target in the sense that he looked like an easy target. Mafia instinct is to go after those, while townies are a bit more likely to stop and re-evaluate or just reach a different conclusion immediately.
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On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway.
you're dropping things pretty quickly
On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro?
you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me?
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isn't Cephiro a strong town player? no posts in thread yet posts in QT?
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On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me?
1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.
2) Because you were just baiting people to say something.
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On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it. 2) Because you were just baiting people to say something.
you didn't think about my vote at all or did you?
The issue i have with you is, that I think you don't care that much about the things going on in here.
You care about participating at the discussion. Not so much about the outcome.
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On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.
2) Because you were just baiting people to say something.
How do you view Skanjab at the moment? Do you believe in what you wrote about him still, or what? If you're convinced that it was bad, what was it that convinced you of this?
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On October 17 2013 20:20 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it. 2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. you didn't think about my vote at all or did you? The issue i have with you is, that I think you don't care that much about the things going on in here. You care about participating at the discussion. Not so much about the outcome.
Cephiro is in my House so there is really 0 reasons for you to vote him except gain silly reactions.
Pretty sure I went after skanjab yesterday so I/ others could get a read on him.
What do you think of Pandain his opening post?
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On October 17 2013 20:22 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.
2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. How do you view Skanjab at the moment? Do you believe in what you wrote about him still, or what? If you're convinced that it was bad, what was it that convinced you of this?
Well, if +5 people say what you wrote was bad, and nobody says it was good. I am going to believe it was bad.
Skanjab is not a townread for me, I can vote him but wont persue him anymore. Others can do that.
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On October 17 2013 20:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:22 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.
2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. How do you view Skanjab at the moment? Do you believe in what you wrote about him still, or what? If you're convinced that it was bad, what was it that convinced you of this? Well, if +5 people say what you wrote was bad, and nobody says it was good. I am going to believe it was bad. Skanjab is not a townread for me, I can vote him but wont persue him anymore. Others can do that.
This is not at all the conclusion you make for the skepticism. No one has strong feelings regarding Skanjab's alignment based on the few posts he has made so far and he could definitely be mafia. If you think he is mafia you should be pursuing him. I'm not sure what to make of your attitude as the whole "drop all suspicions immediately" is bordering too suspicious to actually be mafia territory.
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On October 17 2013 20:31 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:22 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.
2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. How do you view Skanjab at the moment? Do you believe in what you wrote about him still, or what? If you're convinced that it was bad, what was it that convinced you of this? Well, if +5 people say what you wrote was bad, and nobody says it was good. I am going to believe it was bad. Skanjab is not a townread for me, I can vote him but wont persue him anymore. Others can do that. This is not at all the conclusion you make for the skepticism. No one has strong feelings regarding Skanjab's alignment based on the few posts he has made so far and he could definitely be mafia. If you think he is mafia you should be pursuing him. I'm not sure what to make of your attitude as the whole "drop all suspicions immediately" is bordering too suspicious to actually be mafia territory.
I am not dropping all suspicion. I am dropping my previous line of thinking out of the reasons why I think he is scum.
What do you think of Pandain opening post?
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I've already commented on or reacted to Pandain's opening post and his first bigger post. My general impression of Pandain's mafia play is that his posts are a bit chaotic and his interactions forced. This is purely based on recollection as I'm entirely too lazy to actually verify anything at this stage. I'm not seeing it here so far and some of the things he has said feel towny (not specifying which).
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Hmm. People look quite good.
Worst filter is probably Zaragon.
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On October 17 2013 20:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:22 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.
2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. How do you view Skanjab at the moment? Do you believe in what you wrote about him still, or what? If you're convinced that it was bad, what was it that convinced you of this? Well, if +5 people say what you wrote was bad, and nobody says it was good. I am going to believe it was bad. Skanjab is not a townread for me, I can vote him but wont persue him anymore. Others can do that.
You say that you initially went after me to get a read on me, and you also say that I'm not a townread for you, then why would you not want to pursue me further? I am either a null read, in which case you should want to continue in your initial intention, or I am a scumread and you should want to get me lynched. Either way, hoping for others to attack me for you while you sit back isn't very protown.
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On October 17 2013 21:16 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:22 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.
2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. How do you view Skanjab at the moment? Do you believe in what you wrote about him still, or what? If you're convinced that it was bad, what was it that convinced you of this? Well, if +5 people say what you wrote was bad, and nobody says it was good. I am going to believe it was bad. Skanjab is not a townread for me, I can vote him but wont persue him anymore. Others can do that. You say that you initially went after me to get a read on me, and you also say that I'm not a townread for you, then why would you not want to pursue me further? I am either a null read, in which case you should want to continue in your initial intention, or I am a scumread and you should want to get me lynched. Either way, hoping for others to attack me for you while you sit back isn't very protown.
Well I think there are more towns in here that can pressure you. I'll watch you.
But atm I think there are others worth pressuring.
What do you think about Zaragon, Mr. Snowman and VA? Small filters I know.
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On October 17 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
I have a distaste for koshi :/ Apparently it's really obvious when he's playing town or scum but I never see it, it's always spam to me. As for rayn I've only played 1 game with him and he was scum, I would be confident identifying his traits if he displayed them though.
In terms of their posts so far. Toad was being aggressive on Skan and koshi jumped all over him after that, seemed a bit overloaded over something so small. Skan made sense for one or two of his points but there was still a lot of pointless nitpicking going on, on koshi's end.
He kinda went absent after that so not sure if he was around for the rest of the conversations but Skan is also new so his responses are of course going to be flustered, would have assumed koshi would look at something like that instead of being so biased. These thoughts are synonymous with my own. My additions: Koshi surprised me, not with the spam, but the early try-hard "case". Toad is in my house, and said hes in class. I liked Toad nitpicking Supersoft on the our/town thing. But i find it really weird his response to my SAM claim. In the QT/thread he claims to have an anti-town role; but is of the opinion that 3 people in our house could have anti-town roles. That just confuses the fuck out of me. I thought Supersoft assessment was on point for Toad. Hes on hold for now - and is certainly not worth considering. If Pandain wants to give Grack a meta read based on Thug Life. My personal opinion is that Pandain is looking better than he did in Noir. I will give him slight town lean based on meta; and hopefully he can firm that up as the game proceeds. On Yamato: Im at loggerheads. Im pissed he suggested I was scum earlier and am somewhat dismayed by his lack of aura/presence when entering the thread. However, I like his pick-up on Mattchew as I felt the same way. On Syllo: I don't get the feeling from this game that he is interested in solving it/progressing it. The pressure on pandain didn't feel natural; and was dropped too easily/conveniently for my liking. Has anyone here played with Syllo enough to confirm if he is a slow starter?
@the above to explain my last post a little more because I was really sleepy back than. Basicly I'm saying that if you're stating the truth we have 3 anti-town town roles in our house. Let's say we have 1 mafia on top of that in our house. That'd be 2 pro-town roles who are town aligned, 3 anti-town roles who are town aligned and 1 anti-town role who is mafia alinged.
Seemed way too much for me. I think I'm okay with it though as I came to the same conclusion Supersoft has had (on a different matter): The roles were most likely set up before the game started. Having above average anti-town presentation of roles in Slytherin doesn't actually seem that unlikely.
Either that or one of my 3 assumtpions is wrong (1) my role is anti-town, 2) you are stating the truth 3) guy #3 is town as well) and I don't want to bother with these assumptions just yet when I have no idea about how to have a go at them yet.
That bein said, like I said I'm good with it as of now. It just made me think a little yesterday.
@Yamato: Your main problem with me seems to be that I'm only talking set-up and only following agression other people have put up. That is in fact a blatant misrepresention as the agression on the two people I've followed up so far (SuperSoft and this skan..guy) both times was innitiated by me. Holyflare and Supersoft mentioned that I created discussion and that we had pages of good discussion on those 2 guys (and me I guess). About set-up... you're the one who asked about the likelyhood, so please turn down the hypocrisy a little. I merely answered you while at the same time including a bit, fat On a game related note: to get away from that after answering you. I guess you're right though, I should have just ignored your innitial question and pretended to not have seen it... I did math at university so I kind of like those questions, sry.
@Supersoft As much as I hate his vauge "Toad looks townie but he's super good at mafia so he might just be mafia", this could really be something from town Supersoft because I do get that a lot. Consider your statement about me to be true about you as well, in a way I'm thinking the same about you right now. I got the idea a town Supersoft would be more boasting around how he can read me but I'm fine with it right now, could have changed a little after things like BangBang Mafia
On a related note for people who don't know: Supersoft is about massclaimes pretty much every game. He did the same in BangBang (and was town) and I'm pretty sure he wanted some mason massclaim in another game as well. He really likes massclaimes in general.
@Syllo He is a guy who posts very little but posts incredibly good when he's posting. I see the very little. I'm sometimes seeing good I'm not really seeing the very good just yet.
I always get the feeling that unlike me, he's on point when talking. He's not a boxxy-esque guy who just chats about what goes through his mind. If he's posting there's a reason for why he is. To me the ratio is a little off right now but it's d1 so I'll let that slide. There's no way I'll consider lynching Syllo d1 without a fricking good reason.
Just finished reading what I missed last night and those are the things that I saw that could be answered without starting something "new". Going to reread some
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