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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 17 2013 12:45 GMT
#601
hehe yes you fooled me in that game where we talked about burgers and you surrendered day2 :D
and lol. i just thought about a massclaim in my QT :D
seriously :D
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 17 2013 12:48 GMT
#602
In the QT, I was asked about my thoughts on yamato, these are them:

I think he is scum, I dislike a lot of his posts:
(1) He has been making a habit of lightly FoSing a bunch of people, but then not following up. Which feels to me like he is fishing for someone to latch on to, and waiting for town's consent before being willing to proceed.

Examples: + Show Spoiler +
On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Skanjab1s

On October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s

Bring it on slytherin scum


State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall.


"guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House'


On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.

Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo.


There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch.

"guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are"

Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is.
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 17 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Skanjab1s

On October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s

Bring it on slytherin scum


State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall.


"guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House'


On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.

Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo.


There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch.

"guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are"

who posted this?

I wanna know
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 10:38 Mattchew wrote:
yo yam, does that mean your thinking what im thinking

that if it was Rayn I would lynch him on the spot?

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 17 2013 15:57 yamato77 wrote:
I will say about Matt, it seems odd to me that he instantly seems to trust me this game when I believe he thought I was mafia last game on D1 for absolutely no reason. I expect town Matt to be very suspicious of other people; it seems out of place for him to have such friendly interaction with me.



All of these show yamato lightly FoSing people, and then failing to mention/pursue them again.

(2) Here is another example that would fit in #1, but I feel it deserves a special mention because it shows yamato's inconsistency in his scum choices.
On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote:
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On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:
Hi all,



Firstly,
I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly?

Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play

I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game.

i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc.


Secondly,

Raynkonoshi, can you please confirm that because no posts have been signed by Rayn; you are responsible for every post made by your hydra so far?


Thirdly,

I have no opinion on the skanjab stuff so far. I'm acknowledging it occured because obvious thats the biggest matter going on in the thread so far; but I need to re-read it all again before stating an opinion.


Lastly,
I'm not sure if this is right play to do in a themed closed game. But in a normal I believe you are meant to do this.

I am a self-aware miller.

After my doctor fake-claims as town last game, I can understand those that refuse to believe this.
So if this ends up in my lynch, so be it.

zzzzzzzzzz

Moc your opening posts always reek of scum


He mentions Moc's post as "reeking of scum" but refuses to state what was scummy about the post. He futhermore, does not further pressure Moc, and instead, a short while later, defends Moc for the exact same post that he just said "reeks of scum":
On October 17 2013 10:41 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:57 LastArgument wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:

Firstly,
I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly?

Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play

I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game.

i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc.



I don't understand any of this reasoning. The only situation where mafia don't understand the exact player make-up of each house is when all the mafia are stacked in 1 or 2 houses. If they're in 3 houses they can obviously deduce the fourth. A mathematician will probably be able to tell you how likely it is that all mafia are in 2 or fewer houses, but I don't think the probability is very high.

What information do you think mafia are being given by releasing the members of people's houses then?

this is true, but town in GoT were the idiots who came up with the secrecy idea in the first place, so this doesn't mean Moc is mafia unless he's playing intentionally stupid


(3) After some game mechanics talk, we arrive at his OMGUS vote on VA. After VA casted "Expelliarmus" on him, he cast a vote onto VA with the reasoning "I'm sick of you". If we just ignore the OMGUS, this is still very poor reasoning for a vote, especially considering the amount of FoS's he has made with actual points. There is no reason given as to why he might think VA is scum whatsoever.

Just after this post, he FoS'd Koshi/rayn again with this:
On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Skanjab1s

On October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s

Bring it on slytherin scum


State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall.


"guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House'


On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.

Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo.


There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch.

"guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are"

Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is.

But still does not vote for him, nor attempt to further push him, preferring instead to keep his vote on VA.

To sum up this last point: This vote on VA feels to me like a reactionary vote in fear of VA's cast ability. It is further scummy when read in comparison to the other people he has FoS'd with actual reasoning that he neglects.

##vote: yamato
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
October 17 2013 12:51 GMT
#603
Sup cuties, gonna catch up while at work.
I-be-Pro
Profile Joined September 2013
Azerbaijan97 Posts
October 17 2013 12:52 GMT
#604
On October 17 2013 21:45 supersoft wrote:
hehe yes you fooled me in that game where we talked about burgers and you surrendered day2 :D
and lol. i just thought about a massclaim in my QT :D
seriously :D

you remember that game where marv was picking on you based on something along the lines of (not an actual quote):
"Supersoft tells the thread to not chit chat all the time and focus things but here we can see a barrage of chit chat with toad"

?
I was mafia and got in the thread defending you based on something along the lines of "yeah but Supersoft and I have beef going on. That always happens when we're in the same game, as can be seen here *link to game with talk about WorldCup* and so on". And you were all friendly with me and I liked that as mafia.

As town it's giving me the creeps right now.
I might not really be Pro
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 17 2013 13:46 GMT
#605
ii believe it was the game where we talked about mcnürnberger, no?
ill look it up when i get home
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 17 2013 13:47 GMT
#606
Toad is talking about Fruity and/or BangBang mafia. marv's comment was fruity iirc, but both of them were smurfs. Weird game, that one.


skanj, re your (Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly.

VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case.

##Vote: VayneAuthority
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 17 2013 13:50 GMT
#607
EBWOP: Fruity, Page 29. Has most of the references Toad is referring to
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 17 2013 13:50 GMT
#608
So to be clear, you're policy lynching Vayne?
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 17 2013 13:52 GMT
#609
On October 17 2013 22:50 LastArgument wrote:
So to be clear, you're policy lynching Vayne?

Yes.
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 17 2013 13:56 GMT
#610
On October 17 2013 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:50 LastArgument wrote:
So to be clear, you're policy lynching Vayne?

Yes.


You repeatedly attacked Skanjab, saying he was scummy, with no indication that any of this suspicion has abated.

Why are you policy lynching Vayne when you find another player suspicious?

On October 17 2013 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
I overall dislike skanj right now BTW.

On October 17 2013 08:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
So skanj isn't really reading the thread but is painfully aware when he is being called out for anything. Townie or scummy to tunnelvision on your personal predicaments? (Open question to whoever wants to chat)


If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 17 2013 13:58 GMT
#611
On October 17 2013 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad is talking about Fruity and/or BangBang mafia. marv's comment was fruity iirc, but both of them were smurfs. Weird game, that one.


skanj, re your (Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly.

VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case.

##Vote: VayneAuthority


That was not the only point in the case, but I disagree, it comes off as "testing the waters" which is inherently scummy. I am also not under the impression that VA was trolling yam, I thought that the "Expelliarmus" was an ability of his.
VA could you clarify, please?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 17 2013 14:08 GMT
#612
On October 17 2013 22:56 LastArgument wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:50 LastArgument wrote:
So to be clear, you're policy lynching Vayne?

Yes.


You repeatedly attacked Skanjab, saying he was scummy, with no indication that any of this suspicion has abated.

Why are you policy lynching Vayne when you find another player suspicious?

Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
I overall dislike skanj right now BTW.

Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
So skanj isn't really reading the thread but is painfully aware when he is being called out for anything. Townie or scummy to tunnelvision on your personal predicaments? (Open question to whoever wants to chat)



Because I'm more concerned about the toxic nature of town's on TL in general than my initial gutread on D1 of a closed theme game. I also was the one who asked skanj to take a break because he looked like he was digging himself into a scummier hole to me, and it felt too easy. Since coming back he's got a case on yamato, albeit one that I think is wrong. He still gets points for trying.


@Skannj
the hosts came in and gave a votecount, which included Yam's vote on VA. There has been no evidence that VA has done anything more than be a dick to Yamato and it has been completely unprovoked (as far as what I see in this thread). I count that as trolling, and I don't want it in my town.

To your "testing the waters" comment, here is yamato's recent filter from noir. Read the first 2-3 pages of that and let me know how you feel please.
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 17 2013 14:10 GMT
#613
Just to be completely clear, Hopeless - you don't have any specific scumreads at the moment?
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 17 2013 14:16 GMT
#614
On October 17 2013 22:58 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad is talking about Fruity and/or BangBang mafia. marv's comment was fruity iirc, but both of them were smurfs. Weird game, that one.


skanj, re your (Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly.

VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case.

##Vote: VayneAuthority


That was not the only point in the case, but I disagree, it comes off as "testing the waters" which is inherently scummy. I am also not under the impression that VA was trolling yam, I thought that the "Expelliarmus" was an ability of his.
VA could you clarify, please?

He said in House QT it was a joke to see "yamato worried"
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 17 2013 14:17 GMT
#615
I don't follow up on my suspicions?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 17 2013 14:18 GMT
#616
On October 17 2013 23:10 LastArgument wrote:
Just to be completely clear, Hopeless - you don't have any specific scumreads at the moment?

Nothing that I'd be confident in any case I tried to make, no. skanj is still my strongest read, but thats a relative term. I'd rather lynch VA with his jokes to see yamato squirm at this point.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 17 2013 14:20 GMT
#617
On October 17 2013 23:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:56 LastArgument wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:50 LastArgument wrote:
So to be clear, you're policy lynching Vayne?

Yes.


You repeatedly attacked Skanjab, saying he was scummy, with no indication that any of this suspicion has abated.

Why are you policy lynching Vayne when you find another player suspicious?

On October 17 2013 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
I overall dislike skanj right now BTW.

On October 17 2013 08:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
So skanj isn't really reading the thread but is painfully aware when he is being called out for anything. Townie or scummy to tunnelvision on your personal predicaments? (Open question to whoever wants to chat)



Because I'm more concerned about the toxic nature of town's on TL in general than my initial gutread on D1 of a closed theme game. I also was the one who asked skanj to take a break because he looked like he was digging himself into a scummier hole to me, and it felt too easy. Since coming back he's got a case on yamato, albeit one that I think is wrong. He still gets points for trying.


@Skannj
the hosts came in and gave a votecount, which included Yam's vote on VA. There has been no evidence that VA has done anything more than be a dick to Yamato and it has been completely unprovoked (as far as what I see in this thread). I count that as trolling, and I don't want it in my town.

To your "testing the waters" comment, here is yamato's recent filter from noir. Read the first 2-3 pages of that and let me know how you feel please.


If we are going flavourwise, I'd expect it to be a roleblock.

After reading the first 3 pages I can see a noticeable difference in his play there than here. In that game he immediately started by making a list of reads and voting on someone who he thoughts was scum. He then later changed his vote again, but not before pressuring the person he had voted, while still discussing a lot in the thread. This game he shows a reluctance to vote and put pressure on his scumreads that he didn't show in that game.

LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 17 2013 14:21 GMT
#618
On October 17 2013 23:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:10 LastArgument wrote:
Just to be completely clear, Hopeless - you don't have any specific scumreads at the moment?

Nothing that I'd be confident in any case I tried to make, no. skanj is still my strongest read, but thats a relative term. I'd rather lynch VA with his jokes to see yamato squirm at this point.

Here's my issue with this. And there are two.

Firstly, you've said this as town before:
On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets...

I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking.

I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.

@wbg voters: dafuq?

You've also said this as town:
On April 23 2013 01:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...its a pressure vote on someone you think is less scum than other players....are you sure you know how to play this game?

Your attitude doesn't seem to tally with how you view the game when you play town.

##Vote: Hopeless1der

If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 17 2013 14:22 GMT
#619
On October 17 2013 23:17 yamato77 wrote:
I don't follow up on my suspicions?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.


Laughing at it doesn't make it not true, you have yet to follow up on any of the people you have pointed fingers at, instead choosing to target VA because you're "sick of him".
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 17 2013 14:22 GMT
#620
Damn, I was hoping VA would come back to the thread faster than yamato D:
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