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Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it.
In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way.
I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec?
After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him.
I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in.
The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath.
To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this.
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On March 18 2012 04:20 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:08 gonzaw wrote:On March 18 2012 03:55 Foolishness wrote:
Though it may be strange how this appears,
I think so far I have been quite clear.
I speak my thoughts,
don't be such a snot.
I assure you that you have nothing to fear. That doesn't mean you give any valid reasoning behind your "thoughts". You may "speak your thoughts"; but you won't make cases, you won't make analysis, etc. Your only reason for voting Dirk was "He tries to blend in", nothing else. I can see what would make Dirk suspicious though, but you won't do shit by posting like you are. It also makes it easier for you to hide if you are scum. I want you to give more reasoning behind your posts, not just "speak your thoughts". Also another thing is that I get the feeling your post restriction is bullshit (I think the mods even acknowledged that by giving you points, I doubt they will give someone points for just following their post restriction, since the alternative is a modkill). Let me elaborate then on our dear Dirk. He makes one bad post, then proceeds to lurk. He says nothing new He doesn't speak his view And if he's a smurf he's certainly a jerk.
Oh dear god.... every post will have that nice little rhyme? 
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Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade.
Thoughts?
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On March 18 2012 04:28 Lanaia wrote:
Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it.
In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way.
I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec?
After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him.
I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in.
The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath.
To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this.
Who do you want to elect? If we find someone who's probably town, I have no problem dragging them kicking and screaming into the Wheatley spot. Chances are pretty high that some of the people asking for it are scum who want powers, so we should be looking at them closely after today.
Foolishness, why do you want to vote in Velinath?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade.
Thoughts?
Drazerk I think, we can leave alone
Everything about him is completely known.
He certainly blundered,
his days are numbered
I bet tonight he will be hit by a stone.
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On March 18 2012 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You need to cut back on your posts Gonzaw. Asking the entire town by name for reads isn't helping anyone, focus on making your own reads. Foolishness has been clear and I think his posting is pretty awesome despite the fact that it's probably not his post restriction.
I think you're town and you've done a good job of showing it but I don't want to read through some of your spammy posts.
At the moment I only have 2 pages of filter, and I don't think my walls of text could be considered "spam"; but well, I had this problem on UG as well
Either way, I already stated the reasons why I asked everybody said questions, so I will repeat it only once more:
I want to ask EVERYBODY questions so they are obligated to answer them. This means they are obligated to be active and contribute, and if they don't they will be lurking and I will take note of that for the future (I am indeed taking notes of who answers my questions and who doesn't).
I don't want to have 30 different discussions, I just want them to post their thoughts, and nothing else, just so I can mark them off in my notes.
I won't let a lone lurker get through the game undetected, nuh huh.
However, I do want to discuss Bluelightz's behaviour, so I'm waiting for his response more than everybody else's.
Waiting for Dirk's thoughts is not bad either
I think my reads are pretty known by now. The people I'm pressuring the most are the ones I'm more suspicious about, but nothing definite, which is why I want more discussions and people posting more thoughts.
I don't want discussion to just die by people voting Drazerk.
So Grack/Wiggles, if you want to keep discussion going, then could you give us more reads/thoughts? Or at least ask me specific questions and the like (at least so I can do something )
Also, I don't like spam, and I don't like spamming.
I'm trying to post all my thoughts, but I'm trying to keep them all in 1 post, and not put one-liners that only make the thread bigger.
If you guys think I'm spamming, then I'll try to cut it out, but for now I don't think I'm doing that bad in that department
On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade.
Thoughts?
There's the chance Drazerk is bullshiting about that "Anger core" claim of his.
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On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade.
Thoughts?
I think his claim's bogus. It's quite coincidental that he just happens to reveal that he has an item that kills two lynch votes on him right when he's about to be lynched.
That said, I don't see a problem with being "better safe than sorry". If we have someone that can take Drazerk out tonight, then that's probably better overall for the town.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:28 Lanaia wrote:
Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it.
In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way.
I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec?
After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him.
I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in.
The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath.
To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this.
Who do you want to elect? If we find someone who's probably town, I have no problem dragging them kicking and screaming into the Wheatley spot. Chances are pretty high that some of the people asking for it are scum who want powers, so we should be looking at them closely after today. Foolishness, why do you want to vote in Velinath?
We need to pick someone who has little pride;
A person to whom we can confide.
If you look through his posts
he definitely does not boast.
Trust him we can, he's got nothing to hide.
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ebwop: If we decide Drazerk is a poor lynch choice I would suggest Bluelightz as a D1 lynch. He's posted nothing of value and I'm still not sure why he voted sinani. He cites generalized suspicion but never gives a reason for that suspicion.
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Oh my god I suck.
Lemme fix this.
On March 18 2012 04:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:28 Lanaia wrote:
Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it.
In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way.
I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec?
After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him.
I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in.
The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath.
To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this.
Who do you want to elect? If we find someone who's probably town, I have no problem dragging them kicking and screaming into the Wheatley spot. Chances are pretty high that some of the people asking for it are scum who want powers, so we should be looking at them closely after today.
My thoughts were you or jay. You feel fairly town from this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=27#539
And Jay, he's felt town to me the entire game.
You two are the only two I'm willing to trust at this moment.
Foolishness, why do you want to vote in Velinath?
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On March 18 2012 04:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Who do you want to elect? If we find someone who's probably town, I have no problem dragging them kicking and screaming into the Wheatley spot. Chances are pretty high that some of the people asking for it are scum who want powers, so we should be looking at them closely after today.
Foolishness, why do you want to vote in Velinath?
*cough* EHHEHMM *cough*
Right, I'm still running for the Wheatley spot you know.
@Foolishness: What do you think about Kenpachi's fixation with GLaDOS? Have you ever seen him fixated like that in a previous game with him?
@Wiggles: So, what are your other thoughts? You stated your thoughts on Drazerk, you stated your thoughts on Velinath and me. What about other players? Anybody else caught your attention?
What do you guys (Wiggles+Foolishness) think about Blazinghand? Specially with his aggresiveness and apparently disappearance (albeit it might be just a time-zone thing) from the thread?
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On March 18 2012 03:16 gonzaw wrote:
@Paperscraps: I hope you come back before the day ends, now that Dirk posted. Why were you absent previously? You live in the States, so your time zone is not that different from mine. However perhaps you were indeed sleeping (for instance), and I'd like to know if that's true or not.
It was a Friday night. I went out with friends to get food, then we gamed. I posted when I got back pretty late. I am going to unvote Dirk now, since Dirk has posted something.
Velinath continues to be a good candidate for Wheatley.
I like MidnightGladius. He has been posting good content.
Also Foolishness is good people.
As far as the Drazerk lynch is concerned. I am okay with lynching Drazerk if we can't decide on another decent target.
I won't condemn him for claiming after he shot, since I did the same thing in my last mafia game. I do find it hard to believe that town will be able to control him, if we let him live until tomorrow. Already out of the gate he has proved to be controversial and a bit of a wild card. Unstable comes to mind when I think of Drazerk.
Everything he says seems legit enough, but if he has to kill Gandalf to win, then he must be killed. His random shot makes me think that his win con was to kill Gandalf all along and he was going for a very lucky snipe from the beginning.
I would actually be good with lynching Bluelightz as well, because I can never read him. He always posts non-sense and trying to follow his logic on things is straining to say the least. So far Bluelightz has not been playing to his meta, but who knows what that could mean, haha.
He hasn't buddied with anyone or made a town list which I find odd.
Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I want Bluelightz over Drazerk at the moment.
Two things for this.
1. Scum or vig will possibly shoot Drazerk tonight. This either wastes a scum shot on Drazerk or gives us a cleared vig tomorrow, hopefully.
2. Bluelightz has been playing this game very different from the last game I was in with him. His posting is still bad, but not the same kind of bad.
I am voting up Bluelightz.
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Bluelightz is like this every game, he never makes much sense. Example :
On March 17 2012 10:15 Bluelightz wrote:
Anyone have a thoughts on who we should lynch? I'm gonna oppose anything involving no lynch d1, policies(LA- Lurkers as backup is fine though for today only), and random lynch.
Bluelightz states that he does not like policy lynches and that Lynch all Lurkers is fine to use as a back up lynch,
On March 18 2012 01:39 Bluelightz wrote:
Alright, before I go I will place my lynch vote on sinani206!
First, he has been lurking.
Second, because that sinani looks very suspicous later on, it might distract us later in the game.
##Vote: sinani206
He then votes Sinani because he will be a distraction later in the game (policy lynch)
and because he is lurking. (not using it as a back-up lynch)
It's hard to read Bluelightz I would rather follow Foolishess' scum read over a null read on Bluelightz.
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Grack, thanks for clearing up the whole Bluelightz thing. I haven't read him in other games much, so it's good to get that idea of where he comes from.
I'd like to hear more on Dirk before I make a decision as far as voting him, but I do agree that Foolishness made a good point.
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At this point I'm willing to vote foolishness for wheatley just because of the poems lol
on a serious note, I think Velinath is probably the best candidate right now, out of those who applied. I wanted to elect MrWiggles tbh, because I know he is a really good player and I believe he is town so far, but I don't recall him applying for the job..
As for lynches, it was pointed out that the possibly safest lynch is Drazerk over some random 80%-chance(statistically) of a town lynch out there.
I agree with policy'ing sinani though. I mean, I don't know how one could possibly call me scum from my limited posts so far. I don't mean that I'm town as fuck, but my posts don't make me scum at all.
(hint hint I'm town)
idk about MidnightGladius. I hate anyone who claims VT, simply because that's a way to reduce the number of targets for scum(they want blues) and it is the standard claim for every single player ingame.
Yet he his posts give me at best a null tell.
Also, I hate how gonzaw is only asking questions to everyone.
Electing Velinath, placeholding policy lynch on sinani. Not like it makes a shit of difference; I just don't feel like lynching Drazerk at this point. You want reasons to vote sinani, just read his filter.
Where is Cyber_Cheese?
PS: I"m going out with my GF, and I won't be back before deadline. good night.
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Lanaia has been given Aperture Science Re-education Training. She receives -100 Science Collaboration Points, and can no longer gain them.
Any further acts of disobedience by anyone will be dealt with by immediately throwing them into the Rift.
Seriously. Don't break the rules.
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ok. I am not yet up for joining the dirk bandwagon. he is stating completely known facts, true.
but you have to take into account WHEN he did that. In fact, he was the second after me to vote draz. As I read that post, I actually liked it and thought "Geeez, at least somebody supports me". This post might be 'state of the art' now, but at the time he posted that, he actually made a point.
I am not willing to vote someone based on that. I want to see more of him. (on that nore: Kita? C_C? Rayzor?)
lightz is always somewhat crazy. He is, however, no new player. He knows this game pretty well. Still null to me.
gonzaw I am willing to believe your new town stuff for now. still, try to focus a little, otherwise it looks like tryhard contributing (e.g. asking all players for all reads)
Another player I'd like to address is sinani.
On March 18 2012 02:00 sinani206 wrote:
Don't elect Velinath.
I think our best option is to elect Blazinghand and kill Velinath.
into
On March 18 2012 03:14 sinani206 wrote:
OK Vel, you're definitely town. Just wanted to see how you would react.
felt really artificial.
this was the defense post:
On March 18 2012 02:09 Velinath wrote:
Kill me? Why?
If we can find a better candidate, I'm willing to throw my support behind them, but honestly I feel I make a fairly good candidate here. I've already said I'm willing to be completely transparent when it comes to abilities that the Wheatley office receives.
I'm not a third party or scum. I'm town aligned. Why would you want to lynch me day 1?
I mean, it's ok I guess. But it certainly is not WOOOOW TOWN DEFENCE WTF?
his other posts are pretty thin-reasoned.
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Original Post by Lanaia:
On March 18 2012 04:43 Lanaia wrote:Oh my god I suck. Lemme fix this. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 18 2012 04:28 Lanaia wrote:
Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it.
In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way.
I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec?
After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him.
I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in.
The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath.
To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this.
Who do you want to elect? If we find someone who's probably town, I have no problem dragging them kicking and screaming into the Wheatley spot. Chances are pretty high that some of the people asking for it are scum who want powers, so we should be looking at them closely after today. And Jay, he's felt town to me the entire game. You two are the only two I'm willing to trust at this moment. Foolishness, why do you want to vote in Velinath? My thoughts were you or jay. You feel fairly town from this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=27#539
Edited afterwards to move the following out of quotes:
And Jay, he's felt town to me the entire game.
You two are the only two I'm willing to trust at this moment.
Foolishness, why do you want to vote in Velinath?
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:17 Kenpachi wrote:
kk. im going to hand you my item Drazerk, in return, you must vote GLaDOS everyday you are alive (in case we dont get majority day 1).
Still waiting on this item...
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