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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
That was a pretty bad analysis. One of the quotes isn't even Liquid`Sheth's and the conclusion is that either he's town or he's scum. Duh. Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind. Before reading it, I thought that Sheth was just really excited for his new game, but now I am thinking he may be scum. Or that could be my new player ignorance not seeing the obvious scum, zeks. I don't know. | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
@zeks I think I'd like one in office and to try and keep the other around to keep good reads on the the one in office. I do think we need to hear from Arctocod first and I too am interested in the others who are planning on running a campaign. Does that sound like someone who is trying to approach the issue from a townie point of view or someone who has an agenda? How does that make any sense at all? Sheth appears smart so I'm assuming he can see what is wrong with this | ||
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ProfessorBadass
94 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:52 Radfield wrote: I don't particularly agree with a sheth vote. He's active, contributing and working out his thoughts in thread. Seems fine to me for now. Zentor should not be lynched today, he looks like the worst lynch of our options. Zeks looks fine, and so does gigyas. However, I would be completely fine lynching profBadass right now. Nothing I have seen from him so far makes me think he is town. His last post stated he was up to page 15, yet he just responded to arctocod within 1 minute.... so I really hope he's working on a post regarding the last 12 pages. Refallen and xsksc are also good lynches. I want to look through their history first though. Not really, I've read the rest. I don't really agree with the cases on either zeks or Zentor, DB/risk.nuke/you remain the most suspicious with the election agenda. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town? Was a misquote - that is prplhz's I apologize | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke. His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ? I really, really dislike this post. First of all, I don't think you're in a position to accuse someone of not using logic, when you seem to be happy to apply very little yourself, half your reads and opinions this game have been backed by nothing but your instincts or gut. Also, why do you care so much that we don't think you're accusing him of being mafia? Most importantly, what does this post tell us? It gives us a very much unexplained case on risk.nuke, that seems to conclude nothing about his alignment. But the real idea seems to be asking town to double check your ideas. Why are you not comfortable taking responsibility for your reads and actions? Why do you need so much feedback? If you can't even convince yourself you're right, how do you expect to convince others? The only people in mafia who don't like to be listened to are mafia. You claimed in one of your posts to be cocky and egoistic, I haven't seen any of that. What I have seen is that your filter is already painful to read because your thoughts aren't coherent, What I have seen is that you're insecure in your reads and you don't fully commit to anything, which seems to be an awfully self-centered approach to the game. The only saving grace is that your flowing and chaotic style of posting seems to be something unlikely for a new scum to do, rather an overenthusiastic townie. But I expect you to shape up from this point on. You don't want to be in a position where you're getting by because people think you're bad enough to post these things as town too. Why do you flop so hard on your reads when I attack them? How do you know I'm not mafia trying to defend a scumbuddy? Do you actually care who we lynch tonight? Or is it okay that we lynch just about anyone as long as it isn't you. I'm getting that feeling. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:56 Arctocod wrote: Radfield: it's things like this that make me wonder Does that sound like someone who is trying to approach the issue from a townie point of view or someone who has an agenda? How does that make any sense at all? Sheth appears smart so I'm assuming he can see what is wrong with this Yeah, that quote makes no sense. I'll read him again. On December 14 2011 03:06 risk.nuke wrote: Another one throws in a halfhearted vote on Zentor, let me fastforward and tell you where this ends this continues. Another handfull of people halfheartedly vote for Zentor. Zentor flips town. We don't have a clue who the real mafia is. We can't use the list people who voted for Zentor to find mafia because there won't be alot of mafia in there. @Harbinger: I read: I might throw a stupid vote but it's because I let my newbie friend choose. I fully agree with this risk. Zentor is a bad choice for the lynch. In other news, that was a fairly scummy analysis from spaackle: Random choice of targets, looks like contribution but is not, misses the actual scummy points in his analysis, etc. Please post more Spaackle. Are you up for lynching ProfBadass today? | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
/syllogism | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
There are a few people that are accusing me of being mafia. The first to do so was GreYMisT. He came up with some pretty decent things early - but I had assumed that Radfield and I had corrected the reason I had backtracked my claims. I recently posted a scumhunt topic against Comprissent, and he responded to it. I didn't feel it was full-hearted, but it didn't even attract so much of a response other than Comprissent himself. I assume people don't want to look too deeply into it because i'm a "newbie," or because they think i'm scummy. Since Comprissent is slightly wavy to me, I will vote tentatively, especially since I have yet to truly catch up on current events. This is for two reasons. I feel that Comprissent could use a little pressure on him, and I want to see what his response is. Secondly, I have a Psych final tonight and it's been a rough day. I need to have a bit of time to catch up and post some responses before I the night phase, if I make it back by than. I will more than likely keep my Election vote on Radfield. Sheth seems to be floundering a bit when under pressure. Not sure if this is a scum read, and I know it's obviously a re-hash of what people have already said. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
/syllogism | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:56 ProfessorBadass wrote: Not really, I've read the rest. I don't really agree with the cases on either zeks or Zentor, DB/risk.nuke/you remain the most suspicious with the election agenda. What's the election agenda again? Me running and people voting for me? | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:49 prplhz wrote: That was a pretty bad analysis. One of the quotes isn't even Liquid`Sheth's and the conclusion is that either he's town or he's scum. Duh. Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind. You can tell me why its bad by dissecting my points for him | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:38 zeks wrote: Analyzing Sheth's posts Now lets look at a quick timeline of stuff he's done: 1. Ran for mayor immediately after game starts He's one of the first people to run for mayor but drops out rather quickly without challenging the other candidates. For a completely new player to immediately run for mayor practically right after game starts seems fishy. After Rad/Arc campaigns gain steam he drops out silently because he knows he has no way of winning. 2. Implying people who write a lot are not mafia? Terrible logic Note that he writes big blocks to try to fit his own category. 3. Claims he hasn't read any past games Yet it seems fishy that he does know some stuff about past games... Correct me if I'm wrong is sheepycat someone in a past game? 4. People have called me out for saying "my 6th sense says one hydra is scum" - and used that in a case against me. What about Sheth? He's been doing the same thing! Except in multiple occasions! Don't see him getting called out [Excuse my selective quoting, if you filter him and read these comments and the context it was in, you'll see that it makes no difference that i quoted it this way] This quote unsettles me too: 5. Sheth posts a lot, but he's rather wishy washy in his opinions Lynch Prplhz based on "weird vibes" Then says if given the power he'd lynch me or Zentor. After Arc pressures Sheth he backs off a bit: It appears to me he's just playing along with whatever the flavor of the week is Conclusion: If you take everything he says as truth then he's an innocent townie who's trying too hard. Otherwise he seems pretty scummy Ok, well I'll take Arcto's advice on answering this. 1. I ran for mayor to test the waters and learn what its like to run for an office. I have no experience and didn't realize the office was mainly to stop the veterans from getting shot right off. Whenever I realized this I pulled my campaign and honestly it was a good way for me to learn a lot about how to do it for the next game. 2. I imply that people who talk more are easier to get reads on. I think thats a pretty obvious thing, that you want those who are mafia to have plenty of time to slip up. I never imply people who write a lot aren't mafia. 3. Not a post by me. Wrong quote. Also sheepycat was someone I played with in Offline mafia. I've never played online before. Feel free to check. 4. My early points are just that I think its fine if radfield is mayor. I just think its a smart decision from what I've seen him type. I believe most people agree with my intuition. where as I don't really understand where your Hey lets kill a Hydra! came from. 5. I'll stop adding in extra words in my post. Sorry. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:59 Arctocod wrote: I really, really dislike this post. First of all, I don't think you're in a position to accuse someone of not using logic, when you seem to be happy to apply very little yourself, half your reads and opinions this game have been backed by nothing but your instincts or gut. Also, why do you care so much that we don't think you're accusing him of being mafia? Most importantly, what does this post tell us? It gives us a very much unexplained case on risk.nuke, that seems to conclude nothing about his alignment. But the real idea seems to be asking town to double check your ideas. Why are you not comfortable taking responsibility for your reads and actions? Why do you need so much feedback? If you can't even convince yourself you're right, how do you expect to convince others? The only people in mafia who don't like to be listened to are mafia. You claimed in one of your posts to be cocky and egoistic, I haven't seen any of that. What I have seen is that your filter is already painful to read because your thoughts aren't coherent, What I have seen is that you're insecure in your reads and you don't fully commit to anything, which seems to be an awfully self-centered approach to the game. The only saving grace is that your flowing and chaotic style of posting seems to be something unlikely for a new scum to do, rather an overenthusiastic townie. But I expect you to shape up from this point on. You don't want to be in a position where you're getting by because people think you're bad enough to post these things as town too. Why do you flop so hard on your reads when I attack them? How do you know I'm not mafia trying to defend a scumbuddy? Do you actually care who we lynch tonight? Or is it okay that we lynch just about anyone as long as it isn't you. I'm getting that feeling. I tried to start this game off with a just go fast attitude. I realized I didn't know plenty of the rules and ideas behind playing this online. There are a lot of things that are different in offline vs online. And honestly I'm going through a lot of people and changing who I think is mafia becase thats what you do early game. You get everyone involved and talking. And honestly there are a few people who I think are clean based upon there reactions to my posts. I don't know if your mafia or not, but you have a lot of power behind you either way as a veteran. I'm trying not to step on your toes and die right off. And as for who we lynch tonight it obviously has to be someone we have a good read on. It shoudln't be me, but I'm as of yet unconvinced who I'd like to kill. I'm asking for others oppinions on this because I want to see other peoples reads on people. In offline we always just sleep day1 or kill someone we heard moving at night. So thats about as unflowery as I can make it. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:35 Arctocod wrote: Hey risk.nuke, do you want to lynch sheth? Sorry I was at the gym. No, come on if he's town I would feel so bad. He comes to play mafia and we lynch him day 1. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Sorry I was at the gym. No, come on if he's town I would feel so bad. He comes to play mafia and we lynch him day 1. Mafia isn't about feelings. Do you think he is the best lynch candidate? (aka most likely to flip mafia) If he isn't, who is? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
@Radfield Why isn't Liquid`Sheth scum? You said in the beginning of this game that you wouldn't mind lynching an active player if he was scum, because of KP reasons. Now you are saying that you don't want to lynch him because he's active. I think he came inhere and he really wanted to play this game and he has + Show Spoiler + and I have totally enjoyed it I think ProfessorBadass would be a bad lynch. If they're still playing DotA2 tomorrow then lets look at them but unless you have a really good case then I think he would be a bad lynch. He hasn't done anything scummy and his single post besides his campaign had some good points I think. @DEUS-ex-MAFIA Where the hell are you? Why aren't you participating in the discussion, you're usually pretty active but right now you're lurking hardcore. It's almost 23PM in Germany, you can't possibly still be at a meeting, and you wanted lynch discussion, well here it is! | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
MrZentor: wishy-washy. Appears to change his opinions easily and does little analysis on his own. For Example: On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote: Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. On December 14 2011 05:45 MrZentor wrote: + Show Spoiler + Analyzing Sheth's posts Now lets look at a quick timeline of stuff he's done: 1. Ran for mayor immediately after game starts He's one of the first people to run for mayor but drops out rather quickly without challenging the other candidates. For a completely new player to immediately run for mayor practically right after game starts seems fishy. After Rad/Arc campaigns gain steam he drops out silently because he knows he has no way of winning. 2. On December 12 2011 12:28 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Its very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia. This can be tough obviously. So I think its obvious we want someone who is willing to write a lot in order to be one of these. Implying people who write a lot are not mafia? Terrible logic Note that he writes big blocks to try to fit his own category. 3. Claims he hasn't read any past games On December 14 2011 05:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I have not zeks :[ I havn't had anytime sadly. I've looked at a small part of a few before this one, but I've been trying to filter people here, fix my computer and keep up on SC2 related things. Its pretty time consuming. Not to mention that I'm at my families house and should visit with them as well >< Yet it seems fishy that he does know some stuff about past games... Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?" Correct me if I'm wrong is sheepycat someone in a past game? There is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know.... 4. People have called me out for saying "my 6th sense says one hydra is scum" - and used that in a case against me. What about Sheth? He's been doing the same thing! Except in multiple occasions! Don't see him getting called out [Excuse my selective quoting, if you filter him and read these comments and the context it was in, you'll see that it makes no difference that i quoted it this way] I get the basic read from Redfield that hes clean though. Just from the imaginary tone I hear in my head. Radfield hasn't said anything from his one post, so I kind of don't think he should be mayor based on that, but I really think hes townie. Just from a random gut read. Radfields comments are again good. I'm getting like this pure read from him for now. Just seems legit. This quote unsettles me too: And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =) 5. Sheth posts a lot, but he's rather wishy washy in his opinions Lynch - Prplhz - I've always gotten some weird vibes from him. Back when he said neither elected position is at all important and him saying he thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs. I think its just weird logic. I'm all for you attacking risk.nuke and looking at deus-ex above me, and I realize your not really on other peoples radar, but your definetly on mine. If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time. Lynch Prplhz based on "weird vibes" Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more. Then says if given the power he'd lynch me or Zentor. After Arc pressures Sheth he backs off a bit: Sure, will do. Just again notice I was asked just which player would you call down the thunder on right now if you could? So I just answered my two feels and a brief why. Who've I've been worried about the most is pretty much constantly changing with posts and as I go over and filter everyone. It appears to me he's just playing along with whatever the flavor of the week is Conclusion: If you take everything he says as truth then he's an innocent townie who's trying too hard. Otherwise he seems pretty scummy I hate to say this, but I agree with you. That was a pretty good analysis. Maybe you aren't mafia. :/ On December 14 2011 05:52 MrZentor wrote: + Show Spoiler + That was a pretty bad analysis. One of the quotes isn't even Liquid`Sheth's and the conclusion is that either he's town or he's scum. Duh. Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind. Before reading it, I thought that Sheth was just really excited for his new game, but now I am thinking he may be scum. Or that could be my new player ignorance not seeing the obvious scum, zeks. I don't know. In addition, his lengthy post defending himself concluded with Let me just reiterate: killing me would be a bad idea. Which to me is, alluding to a blue-name. The only reason to allude to a blue-name without actually role-claiming is to draw emotional appeals from more easily swayed players and draw votes away. In conclusion, based on MrZanders current wishy-washyness as well as relatively late allusion to a blue-name without an actual role-claim causes him to draw my vote. | ||
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nyczbrandon
United States124 Posts
nyczbrandon: Large post count of one liners. Most of it asks for stuff easily found in the topic. On December 13 2011 18:35 cascades wrote: nyczbrandon: Large post count of one liners. Most of it asks for stuff easily found in the topic. What stood out to me was this: To avoid giving them excuse of "I don't know what to talk about", topic starters have been given. For example, evantrees at least has made a bit of effort at replying. nyczbrandon has dodged his topic starter and posted something irrelevant. Maybe you would like to state your opinions on who appears townie or mafia nyczbrandon? The reason i did not respond to it is because i probably missed it yesterday. Then later on i read a post about how the day length is actually 48 hours, which i thought was 24 hours for day and night. At first i thought of voting for zeks because people were having scum reads from him and i thought it made sense. Then he posted a response that called out Sheth for contradicting himself. Sheth claimed that he was a new player and have not seen any mafia threads before, but zeks showed that Sheth had some knowledge of it by posting things that seem to be from a previous mafia game. Also I think I read that Sheth has been getting blue screened recently, so I'm not sure how he would of been able to read those games. My vote may go to either Sheth or Mr.Zentor because Zentor seems to change votes a lot. | ||
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