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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I spearheaded the wherebugsgo lynch. Palmar spearheaded the VisceraEyes lynch, was a vocal opponent of the plans and heavily supported the wherebugsgo lynch. LSB did huge work on all of the plans and spearheaded [UoN]Sentinel lynch. risk.nuke has also been very vocal with plans and lynch. layabout has been very vocal and has stuck out to plenty of people. Paperscraps doesn't really matter because Palmar traded him and Palmar is a crazy man (and he's town). Jackal58 has not been vocal at all. Skimming his Purgatory filter, your meta description of him is plain wrong. Jackal58's scum play and his town play is very hard to tell apart. He didn't care about the lynch at all, he voted with a one liner on pure meta and left. You say yourself that you think that caring about the lynch is a town trait, then why did you give VP to a guy who seemingly didn't care about the lynch? There's a reason you're thinking so differently from everybody else. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On January 30 2012 16:49 Paperscraps wrote: So your read on him is based completely around meta? I don't think that is a good idea tbh. No? The things I wrote are all things I would like a townie to do. This and he is behaving differently from Purgatory makes me think he is town. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On January 30 2012 17:28 prplhz wrote: Your trade sticks out like a sore thumb. Look at everybody else who received VP: I spearheaded the wherebugsgo lynch. Palmar spearheaded the VisceraEyes lynch, was a vocal opponent of the plans and heavily supported the wherebugsgo lynch. LSB did huge work on all of the plans and spearheaded [UoN]Sentinel lynch. risk.nuke has also been very vocal with plans and lynch. layabout has been very vocal and has stuck out to plenty of people. Paperscraps doesn't really matter because Palmar traded him and Palmar is a crazy man (and he's town). Jackal58 has not been vocal at all. Skimming his Purgatory filter, your meta description of him is plain wrong. Jackal58's scum play and his town play is very hard to tell apart. He didn't care about the lynch at all, he voted with a one liner on pure meta and left. You say yourself that you think that caring about the lynch is a town trait, then why did you give VP to a guy who seemingly didn't care about the lynch? There's a reason you're thinking so differently from everybody else. So because my reads are different from yours I'm scum? If his town and scumplay are hard to tell apart I might be right? I'm not saying that he is 100% town. I don't know what his allignment is but i can have a read. The reasons all those people got votes are the same reason i did not vote on the obvious choice. Vocal != town... I would not be any bit surprised if Layabout is scum even though he is vocal. I did not want 1 bad read from the town as a whole ending up with a scum player with a high amount of votes. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On January 26 2012 18:28 prplhz wrote: Everybody should give away as many votes as they can every day. This is a good idea because it will prevent scum from eliminating voting power through night kills, and voting power will only get eliminated through the lynch which is more likely to hit scum than night kills. What changed your mind Prp? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
VisceraEyes LSB Layabout | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
For reasons stated before. | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
On January 28 2012 13:24 LSB wrote: This is one of the worst example of logic I've ever read. If I was day vig I'd kill you for trying to make a case out of this. Well looks like you will be the one to die this day.  | ||
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On January 27 2012 09:32 LSB wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm actually going to be busy for about 3.5 hours, so I'll be back to answer major concerns then. Please be wary of anyone supporting a "Passing two votes" plan, and a "Giving everyone all the votes" plan On January 29 2012 09:52 LSB wrote: + Show Spoiler + Tonight is free trade! Please give your votes to anyone who you think is town. DO NOT announce your votes in thread. Wait until daybreak after all of the votes have been transferred. Once day two come, everyone must post how many votes they gave away and to whom they gave votes away to. Please give away two of your votes.+ Show Spoiler + This is for two reasons 1) Giving away two of your votes eliminates looses if you get nightkilled. Even if you don't think you are a high target, mafia could always bluesnipe. 2) People with 1 vote only are extreamly crucial during re-balancing. During Night 1, people with 1 vote are the ones who would receive votes from people with 3+ votes in order to ensure that the vote distribution stays roughly equal. So if you are left with only 1 vote Day 2, there is a high likelyhood that you would have 3+ votes Day 2. Why the change of heart? ##Vote LSB | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 30 2012 19:45 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why the change of heart? ##Vote LSB It was quiet obviously a typo. The post before I put forth the pass two votes plan http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505¤tpage=15#287 | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Palmar 2 -> Paperscraps Jackal58 1 -> Palmar chaoser -> No vote LSB 2 -> layabout prplhz 1 -> Palmar Dirkzor 1 -> Jackal58 risk.nuke 1 -> Palmar [UoN]Sentinel 2 -> prplhz Paperscraps 1 -> Prplhz jaybrundage 1 -> prplhz MeatlessTaco 1 -> Layabout Node 1 -> [UoN]Sentinel VisceraEyes 1 -> LSB layabout 1 -> risk.nuke I'm interested in two things. First why is there a bandwagon on me, and second why layabout gave a vote to risk.nuke | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Of the three candidates that were up for death yesterday, he was ok with killing sentinel and bugs, not visceraeyes, who i think is scum. With LSB having "green reads" on me and node, I find his decision to give layabout (someone I've repeatedly called out) very questionable. Since he has a green read on me, I find it very strange he does not give my reads any respect at all, and straight up gives votes to the player I find most scummy in the game. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
How would mafia keep votes inside of the circle? 1) Attempting to transfer votes to the person getting killed and 'failing'. Palmar was hit. There has been no counterclaim so there would be no reason to doubt this premise. Now lets take a look at the people who transferred a vote to Palmar. Jackal58 prplhz risk.nuke chaoser (attempted) It wouldn't be a stretch to say that there is a mafia located somewhere in those 4 names. However, at the same time just giving a vote to Palmar isn't sufficient for suspicion as mafia. Palmar played pretty pro town day 1 so I would expect people to support him. 2) Transferring votes to team members. You would typically want to transfer votes to the person you think is 'most townie' on your team. The simplest way to do this is to list off everyone who received votes. Paperscraps layabout Jackal58 prplhz [UoN]Sentinel LSB risk.nuke We can be absolutely certain that there exists multiple mafia in this list, it would be very foolish for mafia to not transfer votes to one another. Another thing to note is that everyone in the first list is in the second list (except for Chaoser, who no one would transfer a vote to for obvious reasons) However there is little this analysis can provide in the way of actual scum reads. We can continue on night two to see if any patterns develop. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On January 30 2012 19:48 LSB wrote: It was quiet obviously a typo. The post before I put forth the pass two votes plan http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505¤tpage=15#287 In the post you quoted you say "Passing 2 votes is very pro-mafia. There is no reason to pass two votes if you only have 3. Remember, you can only pass votes to one person, so just passing one vote neutralizes any other vote passing actions you have. The only reason why you would want to pass two votes would be to make a two vote swing for the mafia. (in-addition passing two votes eliminates a self-correcting mechanism)" and then your official looking post at the beginning of Night 1 you say " Please give away two of your votes This is for two reasons 1) Giving away two of your votes eliminates looses if you get nightkilled. Even if you don't think you are a high target, mafia could always bluesnipe. 2) People with 1 vote only are extreamly crucial during re-balancing. During Night 1, people with 1 vote are the ones who would receive votes from people with 3+ votes in order to ensure that the vote distribution stays roughly equal. So if you are left with only 1 vote Day 2, there is a high likelyhood that you would have 3+ votes Day 2." which is the typo? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 30 2012 20:00 Palmar wrote: I'm starting to think WBG may have been town, mainly due to LSB being willing to kill him. Of the three candidates that were up for death yesterday, he was ok with killing sentinel and bugs, not visceraeyes, who i think is scum. Correction, I wanted to kill Sentinel. I didn't want a no-lynch. I didn't bother posting an opinion on VE yesterday because I preferred the Sentinel lynch and I didn't want to distract from it. With LSB having "green reads" on me and node, I find his decision to give layabout (someone I've repeatedly called out) very questionable. Since he has a green read on me, Of course I had a green read on you, however most of the town had a green read on you so I expected you to get lots of votes. Giving you more votes would just cause a larger vote imbalance, which I was trying to prevent. I also expected that node would have people sending votes to him, however I was incorrect about that, I find it very strange he does not give my reads any respect at all, and straight up gives votes to the player I find most scummy in the game. Just saying... last game I played with you, you lynched me while I was townie cause I was afk for a day. Besides that mislynch I don't have much experience with you. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 30 2012 20:13 Palmar wrote: Which part is a typo LSB? Meh, it's late and I'm not remembering things clearly. Okay, here's the point. I was talking about vote circles. Here is my reasoning for why passing 2 votes in vote circles is bad. 3. It is better than passing 2 votes. Passing 2 votes is very pro-mafia. There is no reason to pass two votes if you only have 3. Remember, you can only pass votes to one person, so just passing one vote neutralizes any other vote passing actions you have. The only reason why you would want to pass two votes would be to make a two vote swing for the mafia. (in-addition passing two votes eliminates a self-correcting mechanism) Re-balancing requires passing 1 vote. And we can all agree that passing two votes in a vote circle is a bad idea. However this is not the case in free trade. | ||
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