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On January 30 2012 10:58 risk.nuke wrote:
Right now I am the most interested in who sent chaoser a vote.
Also layabout and prplhz massive vote surges. I want to hear additional reasoning behind these.
To be honest I expected me and palmar to recive alot of votes. We recived 3 combined.
Palmar should have 1 more. I PMed RoL about it. I received ZBot confirmation regarding my vote swap. RoL is searching for it.
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I sent LSB 1 vote. He's been making the most sense, and I would have given him both but I feel a VE wagon starting and I'll be God damned if I let you guys lynch me.
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Apparently somebody sent me one and Palmar received mine.
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Back from running. The shot on palmar pretty much confirms him for me.i gave my vote to him but it didnt go through
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I gave [UoN]Sentinel one of my votes. This is because I feel he has been an active, contributing member of the thread and because I didn't like the logic behind the movement to lynch him.
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Ok I was gonna trade to palmar but then i thought palmar would just get a surplus of votes and be a easy lynch target so instead i was thinking of giving it to jackal58 but i also thought because hes a vet and seems like a greenie he might get some votes so i went with prplhz and gave him one vote because i thought him leading the bugs lynch was a solid indication of a greenie
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On January 30 2012 11:54 chaoser wrote:
Back from running. The shot on palmar pretty much confirms him for me.i gave my vote to him but it didnt go through
Do you know for certain if your vote didn't go through? It is possible that you gave a vote to Palmar and someone gave a vote to you.
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On January 30 2012 12:57 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:54 chaoser wrote:
Back from running. The shot on palmar pretty much confirms him for me.i gave my vote to him but it didnt go through Do you know for certain if your vote didn't go through? It is possible that you gave a vote to Palmar and someone gave a vote to you.
I was informed by mod that I didn't trade today and to not miss it tomorrow. I sent in my trade late because I waited till I had everything all written down and figured out before I did it. By then it was too late Sorry =/
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Please correct me if I'm wrong. Bold means unaccounted for, in VP sent or VP received.
+ Show Spoiler +Palmar 2 -> Paperscraps
Jackal58 1 -> Palmar
chaoser 1 -> Palmar
LSB 2 -> layabout
prplhz 1 -> Palmar
wherebugsgo
Dirkzor 1 ->
risk.nuke 1 -> Palmar
[UoN]Sentinel 2 -> prplhz
Paperscraps 1 ->
jaybrundage 1 -> prplhz
MeatlessTaco 1 ->
Node 1 -> [UoN]Sentinel
VisceraEyes 1 -> LSB
layabout 1 ->
Palmar 3 - 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4
Jackal58 3 - 1 != 3
chaoser 3 = 3
LSB 3 - 2 + 1 = 2
prplhz 3 - 1 + 2 + 1 != 6
Dirkzor 3 - 1 = 2
risk.nuke 3 - 1 != 3
[UoN]Sentinel 3 - 2 + 1 = 2
Paperscraps 3 - 1 + 2 = 4
jaybrundage 3 - 1 = 2
MeatlessTaco 3 - 1 = 2
Node 3 - 1 = 2
VisceraEyes 3 - 1 = 2
layabout 3 - 1 + 2 != 5
Four people missing a sent VP each and four people missing a received VP each.
Palmar confirmed town. I think it's likely that scum would trade Palmar since they thought he was going down. Who traded Jackal58?
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On January 30 2012 10:36 LSB wrote:
I sent 2 votes to layabout
I did this for a variety of reasons
1) I wanted to send my vote to someone I did not consider a vet/prominent in this game, I expected that they were more likely to receive votes, and by sending it to a new person might help with keeping things more balanced (Turns out I was wrong)
2) layabout's critique of my plans and his concerns about it in the rudimentary stages show genuine concern about the fate of the town. He has taken more controversial stances on positions so I have a green read on him.
I sent 1 vote to layabout. I had a read of LSB and layabout on different teams/sides so all of this shows that pretty much all my reads were way off.
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A couple of important bits of information and clarification.
First, Zbot is working perfectly fine. All night actions were resolved how they were supposed to be resolved.
Second, Chaoser failed to send a vote command last night. I will confirm this. I was easy on him because he was a sub, from now on any further failures to vote will receive an RNG in place of their decision.
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I sent 1 vote to Prplhz.
I was thinking of giving vote(s) to Palmar and risk.nuke, but I figured they would be receiving a lot more votes from the rest of the town. I wanted the votes to be spread out more among the town. My third best read was Prplhz.
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On January 30 2012 15:49 Dirkzor wrote:
I sent 1 vote to Jackal.
And why the hell did you do this?
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I wanted to give palmar or LSB my vote - in that order. But figured that they would get a lot of votes anyway. Then i started to look for a less obvious townie.
I gave him 1 vote because i think he is town. I was just playing with him Purgatory (he was scum) where he played differently then what he does now.
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On January 30 2012 16:19 Dirkzor wrote:
I wanted to give palmar or LSB my vote - in that order. But figured that they would get a lot of votes anyway. Then i started to look for a less obvious townie.
I gave him 1 vote because i think he is town. I was just playing with him Purgatory (he was scum) where he played differently then what he does now.
Can you tell me how he's playing differently and how this makes him more town?
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2012 11:00 chaoser wrote:Dirkzor: It starts off with a post that I thought was pretty useless, basically repeating sentinel's idea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505¤tpage=11#208and then he moves onto speculating about roles, another completely useless topic. WBG calls him out on it. His posts that follow afterwards call for others to scumhunt while he does nothing, only telling Palmar to get into the game. The play seemed very passive at this point so I wasn't that suspicious. It was when he called out prplhz that I started to wonder. Show nested quote +Free trade or circle trading. Giving as few votes as possible seems to be best. That way least amount of town votes can potentielly end up at scum. Why would I, when I know my own allignment, give votes to a potential scum? I won't! This statement is weird and I find it scummy. The concept of giving away more or less votes doesn't establish and can't really be used to decide if someone is scummy or not. That's like using different people's preferences for the circle-jerk v the free trade idea as a measure of scumminess, with people who wanted a different plan from you being considered "scummy". Bad reasoning and this made it seem like he was grasping at something that wasn't there. Show nested quote +The italic part is also written from a scum perspective. The whole process of saying how the roles affect scum seems to be from someone who is on the recieving end of the power roles. While everyone could think this, I don't think a town person would write it and certainly not in this way. This, once again, is bad logic. How can you tell if something is written from a scum perspective or not? Once again it seems like he's trying to suggest something that is not there at all.
Welcome to the game.
This post on Prp intended to do two thing: pressure Prp and start lynch discussion instead of trade plans. Prp did not respond to my post before I had to go out so I left my vote there.
I agree that my case was not in any way solid. But his posting up until that point gave me the vibe so I went with it. Trying to describe a feeling is hard. But when I read his posts it felt like he was seeing the poweroles from the perspective of someone who was scum. I still read it that way.
How can you tell if something is written from a scum perspective or not? Stupid question. It they way it percieved by the reader. This whole game is about how things are percieved by the audience you write to. You can write the same statement in several different ways and the percieved outcome will be different even though the statement is the same.
But regarding Prp. His posting have been a lot better since I voted for him. His interest in the lynch suggest to me that he is not scum.
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On January 30 2012 16:40 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 16:19 Dirkzor wrote:
I wanted to give palmar or LSB my vote - in that order. But figured that they would get a lot of votes anyway. Then i started to look for a less obvious townie.
I gave him 1 vote because i think he is town. I was just playing with him Purgatory (he was scum) where he played differently then what he does now. Can you tell me how he's playing differently and how this makes him more town?
He is asking questions this game. He is writing statements. He have an opinion. While he is not the one with the most or longest posts his posts have had something to tell.
In Puragtory he did not do any of those things.
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On January 30 2012 16:45 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 16:40 prplhz wrote:On January 30 2012 16:19 Dirkzor wrote:
I wanted to give palmar or LSB my vote - in that order. But figured that they would get a lot of votes anyway. Then i started to look for a less obvious townie.
I gave him 1 vote because i think he is town. I was just playing with him Purgatory (he was scum) where he played differently then what he does now. Can you tell me how he's playing differently and how this makes him more town? He is asking questions this game. He is writing statements. He have an opinion. While he is not the one with the most or longest posts his posts have had something to tell. In Puragtory he did not do any of those things.
So your read on him is based completely around meta? I don't think that is a good idea tbh.
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