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edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 11:41:20
May 29 2013 11:38 GMT
#481
OK, go TRUE, Paralyze, Effort, Jangbi and CH.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 11:38:59
May 29 2013 11:38 GMT
#482
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote:
ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now.
there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)


So?

Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 29 2013 11:39 GMT
#483
On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote:
ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now.
there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)


So?

Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?


Because hating is awesome, apparently
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
May 29 2013 11:39 GMT
#484
Make a thread about it - it might even be better than that Dreamhack 2013-thread.
eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
May 29 2013 11:40 GMT
#485
On May 29 2013 20:39 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote:
ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now.
there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)


So?

Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?


Because hating is awesome, apparently


It seems so
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
May 29 2013 11:40 GMT
#486
On May 29 2013 20:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 20:30 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:25 kollin wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:22 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:16 bittman wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:14 Evil_Sheep wrote:
Yoda is this group's DRG. Looks like Fanta + guy who's never won a televised game in hots go through...


About "that guy":

I don't follow PL closely and didn't follow B. Who is Savage? Is he notable for anything?

AFAIK he's just another of those extremely average Kespa players/zergs which seem to be owning GSL lately...

Qualifying != Owning

GSL = code S/A/B ...a lot of kespa non-stars/total nonames coming out of the woodwork, stepping over big names on their way to code S, I'd call it owning, yeah.

well with an influx of a few hundred extra pros, you would expect a fair new no-names anyway. it wasn't so long ago that players like maru, parting, etc were no-names coming out of the woodwork stepping over big names too

absolutely, it makes sense. not trying to join in the esf/kespa doggypile but it's impossible not to notice the novelty of having people like T8.Savage qualify over Yoda when it's like, 5 mins ago nobody knew who the fuck he was.

Here's an interesting stat: none of the Kespa players who qualified through code A ro24 not named Flash and Rain have a winning record in Proleague. That's 6 of them: Flying, hyvaa, Trap, Shine, soO, Bbyong.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
May 29 2013 11:41 GMT
#487
On May 29 2013 20:39 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote:
ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now.
there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)


So?

Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?


Because hating is awesome, apparently


Oh I likes me some hating. It makes my life so much more enjoyable and also it grows one´s genitals immensely.
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
May 29 2013 11:42 GMT
#488
OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll.
About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
May 29 2013 11:43 GMT
#489
On May 29 2013 20:33 eGoRama wrote:
Ohhh yes, my favorite topic after Korean/Foreigners is Kepsa/eSF. Please educate me. MORE!!!!

There's one simple rule to this.

KeSPA pros preform better than all others. It doesn't matter if they get eliminated in group stage or don't even manage to qualify, they are still best players in the tournament, and the only reason they didn't win is because of poor brackets/poor management/T imba/Z imba/P imba, etc.

/sarcasm
Acer1791
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany182 Posts
May 29 2013 11:43 GMT
#490
nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue.
i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
May 29 2013 11:44 GMT
#491
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote:
OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll.
About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?

please keep going, you amuse me greatly
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edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
May 29 2013 11:44 GMT
#492
Same biters everyday, never learn.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
May 29 2013 11:45 GMT
#493
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote:
nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue.
i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.

You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.

...or hating is awesome.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
May 29 2013 11:46 GMT
#494
Not very good games today overall, but glad that Fantasy advanced. Hopefully he's not knocked out right away in Code S.
Flash | Mvp
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 29 2013 11:46 GMT
#495
On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote:
ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now.
there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)


So?

Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?


The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
gamerdude12345
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (South)378 Posts
May 29 2013 11:46 GMT
#496
well that sucks, pretty quit day
'One does not simply walk into Mordor"
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 29 2013 11:47 GMT
#497
Another disappointing day of WCS KR. WCS EU has really spoiled me :/
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 29 2013 11:47 GMT
#498
On May 29 2013 20:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote:
OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll.
About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?

please keep going, you amuse me greatly

I look forward to nominating him for TL bans: the people's choice.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 11:47:51
May 29 2013 11:47 GMT
#499
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote:
OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll.
About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?


If you make opterown ragequit TL for a week again I'm gonna spam the hell out of some admin to get you a red card.

^ LOL
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
May 29 2013 11:47 GMT
#500
On May 29 2013 20:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote:
OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll.
About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?

please keep going, you amuse me greatly

Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
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