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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 02 2012 20:02 kushm4sta wrote: Acro Wtf... Why is town fake claiming... So vts look at your role name. Jessica rabbit does not fit the theme. Kid watching tv kind of does though. ##unvote ##vote acro Calls Acro town... then votes Acro? | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On November 03 2012 20:05 Promethelax wrote: So, do I look scummy? Why? Show me where. That's not the point. The person you replaced in for was scummy as fuck, you don't just start from scratch now you're playing. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
I think Kush just didn't think Acro was town at the time, so he's like, "why the fuck are you fake claiming and then saying you fake claimed and then still claim town?" I think it was just incredulity. This just comes from watching a lot of kush's game though and knowing how his troll mind works. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 04 2012 01:27 drazak wrote: I think Kush just didn't think Acro was town at the time, so he's like, "why the fuck are you fake claiming and then saying you fake claimed and then still claim town?" I think it was just incredulity. This just comes from watching a lot of kush's game though and knowing how his troll mind works. Drazek, what was fluff in my post. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 02 2012 20:02 kushm4sta wrote: Acro Wtf... Why is town fake claiming... So vts look at your role name. Jessica rabbit does not fit the theme. Kid watching tv kind of does though. ##unvote ##vote acro He says acro is town and then turns around and votes for him and the only reasoning kush seemed to be using was his flavor theory. Of course like I said earlier... sorta hard to tell if scum kush or town kush would be more likely to that... but it sticks out because it was that ONLY reasoning kush had for wanting Acro lynched. Then there was all the possible blue hunting attempts. On November 02 2012 20:21 kushm4sta wrote: does any vt have a character name like Jessica rabbit? if not I think acro is either lying about lyning and is mason, or is scum. Course, it’s not explicit blue hunting, but it’s asking for a vt claim when having one really won’t be that useful, and if someone decided to answer they’d be giving scum more information than necessary. One more thing about kush this game is what I think to be a big change in his tone. Previous town kush meta is fairly emotional with occasional joking throughout all of his posts, and I haven’t been seeing that this game. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17911 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:56 risk.nuke wrote: I'm heading to a Halloween party in a while. If anyone want to talk with me before daypost it's now. I somehow doubt mafia will shoot you, but you never know. How about you give out some reads. You haven't given out any in like... 40 hours. You were critical of prplhz before the crazyness happened, but never switched off Muso. You haven't given out reads on anybody else since. How about you start. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 04 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote: I somehow doubt mafia will shoot you, but you never know. How about you give out some reads. You haven't given out any in like... 40 hours. You were critical of prplhz before the crazyness happened, but never switched off Muso. You haven't given out reads on anybody else since. How about you start. I don't post that during night unless I think I'm going to die or is vastly dissatisfied with the town. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
Keeping my promise, I looked through several filters. Promethelax continues to be a strong town read. I know that others disagree with my philosophy on replacements and giving them somewhat of a clean slate. However I feel that if prom keeps posting with the quantity and quality that he has been he should become very easy to read as the game develops even for his doubters. I definitely do not want Prom to die. Townie townie town town IMO. I have a scum read on drazak. He has posted mainly one liners commenting on the by play of proceedings rather than bring any original thought or information to the thread. He has also been consistently wishy-washy in his posting. On November 02 2012 23:36 drazak wrote: Yeah, I'm getting a bit fed up with Kush asking for everyone to claim everything, that smells a little scummy to me. Kind of not sure if it's just kush being stupid and trolling like usual (yes, I know, I'm omgusing, don't care) or if he's actually got a larger scheme here. Kush has admited to me a bunch of times that he doesn't thinks before he posts, so I dunno, but he keeps being stupid I think we can chalk it up to stupidity/trolling, if he stops, it was probably a scheme. I'm not sure what to think about prom, the case against him is ok, but maybe prplhz was distracted and/or confused. Like I was going to go through this post and bold the wishy-washy bits but then I may as well have bolded the entire post. Just read that and find one solid statement. Because I sure as hell can't. But note the part I have bolded and then read drazak's subsequent series of posts which stuck out to me quite starkly. He goes from wishy washy on kush. Saying he could be scummy. Then he posts his role name somewhat aggressively. On November 03 2012 05:53 drazak wrote: Kush, do you even read my posts? Also, trying to write a long post in another window, hold on a bit. I'm a VT, Carrot, btw. After which kush thinks he is town based on his theory with the flavor immediatly after kush unvotes him and declares him to be town. Drazak posts his 'reads' On November 03 2012 06:07 drazak wrote: Release actually tried to scumhunt, I'm seeing town on him, even though he still wants to vote for me. I don't think he's done anything to cause confusion, and I think he really wants to find a mafia right now, which is what I'm trying to do. Mattchew is also looking town, although I'd like him to be a bit more active, I don't think he'd say that he likes his gut instincts D1 if he didn't believe in them and have somewhat decent evidence, less town than release but definitely a town read. Hope has about the right amount of defensiveness for a townie, he's gone to lurk mode around lynch time which makes me a little nervous, everyone else seems to be here and willing to talk except him. Not sure what he's up to but when he starts posting again I hope he has a good explaination, I'm neutral on him right now. Thrawn has been trying his damnedest to scumhunt for a D1 hunt, not sure what he thinks he might actually accomplish, but he's asking questions like I should be (but I don't because I suck  ) and trying to make things happen. I find him distinctly town at the moment.risk.nuke has not a lot to go on in his filter, and every single one of his comments is 1 line and most of them are fluffy. I think this is even worse than my posts have been. I find him 2nd scummiest after muso. Kush is just doing his fucking trolly ass shit. Town meta for him 100% Zealos doesn't vote anyone and isn't happy with Acro or Muso, not sure what to think here, he wants to vote two of my town reads, not sure I like this, but might just not be following that closely. First of all I hate lists such as these. They allow scum to seem to participate without actually doing anything. A few sentences on several players comprise drazak's 'reads' HOWEVER. Note the read on kush. He has gone from scummy and wishy-washy to 100% town meta. IMMEDIATELY after kush declares a town read on drazak. It seems as if Drazaks opinion of someones scumminess is linked to their opinion on draz. Now THAT is scummy to me. Combined with all the wishy-washy posting and fluff one liners. I would certainly like to lynch drazak. I looked into release also. He was really active when he was defending himself and there was a lot of setup speculation/ fake claims etc. and since the muso mislynch he has gone quiet. He could very well be scum for the reasons several people have already mentioned day 1. But I am unsure really. I would like to wait and see on release. Finally. We need to stop with the setup speculation/ flavor theory/ fake claiming etc. In my mind it has made the thread tiresome to keep up with and I think has been a detriment rather than a service. WBG has stated that we cannot break the game through these means so it is astonishing that many seem determined to try. Don't try and play the setup. Scum hunt. Look at the motivation and content of peoples posts and judge them on merit. That is why all you people after prom need to take a step back and actually look at how blatantly townie Prom is. He is scum hunting in a very positive way and could potentially be a great asset to town. If he is scum he will slip up. It is incredibly difficult to take on the kind of play prom has had as scum. If he is town and you lynch him for anothers posts. I think you are lynching towns greatest asset. Now that the craziness of the weekend is behind me I hope to be far more involved and have a greater grasp on the thread than I currently do. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
If that is a character name I will stfu about flavor theory forever. Also why did you reveal it now and not during d1? ~~ What is the difference between risk town and risk scum? Does anyone know? Same question for mattchew. ~~ 3 people want to lynch me now! Zealos, acro, thrawn. Anyone else? Are there any questions you want me to answer? The cases are quite spread out so it's a little hard to respond to everything. Summary of the case against me: 1 over reliance on flavor theory I have been pretty obsessed with it sorry. 2 blue hunting I just wanted more evidence for my theory. I only ever advocated 1 vt claiming their name. Also I thought mason should claim in the beginning but changed my mind about it. (The reason I actually made the case for mason claiming is I read in Sandroba's filter from a game a long something he said about there being no downside to millers claiming. But I thought he were talking about the role that is actually masons. Then I see someone this game talking about millers claiming and that authoritative opinion is only enforced, so I assume millers claiming is a smart play.) ^ a lot of text about something pretty insignificant. 3 thrawn saying im off my meta Every game I try to improve and play better. I am being less emotional I think it's better play. (and also I've been hurt so many times in the past) 4 my "scumslip" I said "Why is town fake claiming?" 2 people fakeclaimed mason. I doubt both of them are mafia. So I can say with almost a certainty that town is fakeclaiming because at least one of them is town. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On November 04 2012 01:35 thrawn2112 wrote: First, my suspicions of kush are much stronger then they were in D1. Scumslip? He says acro is town and then turns around and votes for him and the only reasoning kush seemed to be using was his flavor theory. Of course like I said earlier... sorta hard to tell if scum kush or town kush would be more likely to that... but it sticks out because it was that ONLY reasoning kush had for wanting Acro lynched. Then there was all the possible blue hunting attempts. Course, it’s not explicit blue hunting, but it’s asking for a vt claim when having one really won’t be that useful, and if someone decided to answer they’d be giving scum more information than necessary. One more thing about kush this game is what I think to be a big change in his tone. Previous town kush meta is fairly emotional with occasional joking throughout all of his posts, and I haven’t been seeing that this game. Yeah. I am concerned that kush may have finally altered his meta. But I think we can both agree that he has not played to his scum meta so far this game. Even then, Kush is kush and he is always gonna 'scumslip' and does so as both alignments. As you well know. I wouldn't want him at LYLO however. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On November 04 2012 02:49 kushm4sta wrote: Prome already said his name does not fit my flavor theory. Prome please claim, since you already admitted to being a vt. If that is a character name I will stfu about flavor theory forever. Also why did you reveal it now and not during d1? ~~ What is the difference between risk town and risk scum? Does anyone know? Same question for mattchew. ~~ 3 people want to lynch me now! Zealos, acro, thrawn. Anyone else? Are there any questions you want me to answer? The cases are quite spread out so it's a little hard to respond to everything. Summary of the case against me: 1 over reliance on flavor theory I have been pretty obsessed with it sorry. 2 blue hunting I just wanted more evidence for my theory. I only ever advocated 1 vt claiming their name. Also I thought mason should claim in the beginning but changed my mind about it. (The reason I actually made the case for mason claiming is I read in Sandroba's filter from a game a long something he said about there being no downside to millers claiming. But I thought he were talking about the role that is actually masons. Then I see someone this game talking about millers claiming and that authoritative opinion is only enforced, so I assume millers claiming is a smart play.) ^ a lot of text about something pretty insignificant. 3 thrawn saying im off my meta Every game I try to improve and play better. I am being less emotional I think it's better play. (and also I've been hurt so many times in the past) 4 my "scumslip" I said "Why is town fake claiming?" 2 people fakeclaimed mason. I doubt both of them are mafia. So I can say with almost a certainty that town is fakeclaiming because at least one of them is town. Wait. You actually thought one of them was town? I thought that question was rhetoric and that it was the justification for your vote? Did you think Muso was town when you voted for him? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 04 2012 02:52 DarthPunk wrote: Did you think Muso was town when you voted for him? yes | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
You knew he was town? and still voted for him? If so why? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 04 2012 02:58 DarthPunk wrote: You knew he was town? and still voted for him? If so why? I did not know he was town. I thought it was town. I voted him because I thought there was a better chance for him to flip red than drazak. Him and drazak were the only options. There was also prome, MAYBE but I didn't like the case on prpl. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On November 04 2012 03:00 kushm4sta wrote: I did not know he was town. I thought it was town. I voted him because I thought there was a better chance for him to flip red than drazak. Him and drazak were the only options. There was also prome, MAYBE but I didn't like the case on prpl. Well That seems reasonable. You should probably clarify that before you declare things like you vote for people you think are town. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 03 2012 22:57 kushm4sta wrote: @prome You said your name doesn't fit my flavor theory, so why wouldn't you claim? You are basically calling yourself vt with that statement so the damage from claiming is already done. You might as well just do it @Acro you actually bring up some good points in your defense. 1 Town has more reason to think the claim is fake because they do not know who mafia is. 2 Bugs games are meticulously put together and they would not have some broken mechanic that overrules scumhunting So for those reasons I'm laying off acro. I'm not claiming my role or lack thereof. Just that my name and your theory don't fit together. All you need to know. You have successfully side stepped the point though. What does my name not fitting into your theory mean to you? Acro: you are smart enough to see why your play could have a mafia motivation and why looking to set up others as looking scum after the green flip doesn't help the case of you being anything other than scum. You set up the encryption post first (as you mentioned) and that gave you a nice out as either town or scum. I'm not seeing your defense. I see you want to see my other games, click on my profile there is a nice list with links right there. But if that is too hard for you try this. Vanilla Town, Loss: MTG Mini Mafia Goon, Win: NMM XIX Vanilla Town, Win: NMM XXII Mafia Goon, Loss: NMMXXIII Vigilante (Replaced in N2) Loss: Liquid City Matt: I chose to ignore prp's reads because he clearly had so little time to put into this game (since he switched out) I wanted to pursue what people said instead of what he said. I had developed a town read on you in my sleep though, I remembered you saying that as scum you try to get a vet lynched on balance reasons and you hadn't done that this game. Now you brought it up. Back in the null column for you. On November 04 2012 01:21 Zealos wrote: That's not the point. The person you replaced in for was scummy as fuck, you don't just start from scratch now you're playing. Okay, not the point sure. But you haven't put anything into the thread and I'm asking for an opinion on if I look scummy. You haven't said that. I want you to stand up for your read and tell me that I look scummy or that I don't. Go ahead, make my day. Kush, my flavour is mine. I'll claim it when I think it makes sense to and in conjunction with whatever my role is or is not. All you need to know is that your theory is bunk.Kush, leave off your flavour posting and give us reads based on fact, I know you play differently than the rest of us but its time to consider playing the game the way its meant to be played. Off to work again guys. I'll be back in ~14 hours. Best of luck town, I hope I'll be alive after the night to continue to play with you all. Although Acro has been kind enough to make that pretty likely with his strong push. In case a town vig shoots me (which I feel is more likely than a scum hit) look at Acro harder, also look at Matt and make sure he doesn't push vets for being vets that is a strong scum tell of his. Make Zealos give real opinions too, he hasn't made himself at all accountable. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Vanilla Town, Loss: MTG Mini Mafia Goon, Win: NMM XIX Vanilla Town, Win: NMM XXII Mafia Goon, Loss: NMMXXIII Vigilante (Replaced in N2) LossLiquid City | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
You need to be a vt to disprove my theory. If you are a vt why wouldn't you claim your flavor? And why wouldn't you have done it yesterday, when I would have changed my vote back to drazak if my flavor theory was disproven. | ||
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