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On August 10 2012 03:29 Promethelax wrote:
I'm doing my best to catch up read and re-read. I already have one crazy connection theory which is too dumb to post so good news on that front.
Dont be a tease you are among friends.
Also what do you think about lvdr making the statement about them either being both town or both scum specifically what do you think of that specefic comment.
Also i will be quite honest with you. From my previous interactions with you i thought coming into this game that you would be very active your tone has come across to me as wierd. Even though we were scum together in our previous game i still expected you to be a leading force among the town regardless. You came across to me as a very thoughtful player so im just take aback somewhat by your whole approach. Do you have a reason for this?
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ebwop
i know that you are busy but still something has seem off i was expecting more from you
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I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
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On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth.
And you should never just assume that.
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On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
ok
but why did you state this
On August 09 2012 11:06 Lvdr wrote:
Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?
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On August 10 2012 03:57 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 03:29 Promethelax wrote:
I'm doing my best to catch up read and re-read. I already have one crazy connection theory which is too dumb to post so good news on that front.
Dont be a tease you are among friends. Also what do you think about lvdr making the statement about them either being both town or both scum specifically what do you think of that specefic comment. Also i will be quite honest with you. From my previous interactions with you i thought coming into this game that you would be very active your tone has come across to me as wierd. Even though we were scum together in our previous game i still expected you to be a leading force among the town regardless. You came across to me as a very thoughtful player so im just take aback somewhat by your whole approach. Do you have a reason for this?
Seriously too dumb to talk about, it involves two flips. Here it is though. Sorry about the wild stupidity of it but you asked about the comment it came from.
I think that the comment
On August 09 2012 11:06 Lvdr wrote:
Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?
is seriously dumb (if lvdr is town, or if lvdr is scum and both yh and Hapa share an alignment), it assumes that townies are aware of each others alignments, if he had said masons or scum there might have been a townie thought behind the statement. My guess is that lvdr is trying to cover all the options but he could be town or scum doing that so that after one of the two flips he can say 'oooh I told you so, x was green/red so y must be as well' which, if lvdr is scum means that one of those two is scum and the other is town. Since this would have outed two members of the scum team on D1 I have a hard time believing this to be the case and it is a slight townie point in lvdr's favour.
I guess I'm playing worse as either alignment. I'm going to try to be more active and more thoughtful and provide good leadership for the town. It is my goal to be NK'd in this game, whether we win or lose I'll count getting NK'd as a victory in my own books. Also, seriously that was my first post getting into the game late so...no, I don't have a reason (unless we are talking about XXIII.O, in which case also no).
lvdr: I'd like to see your breakdown of YH's town read. It provides me with an understanding of your thought process which so far I don't have. I'd like to have an understanding of your case building and analytical skills.
I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far:
He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion.
Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever.
But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say:
On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that.
which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely.
What is the deadline? I haven't figured out how much my work schedule is going to screw me this game
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I know I look like a lurker, and that it doesn't fit my "meta"
I just don't know what to say...
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I'm going to continue to read the thread and try to find other things and people which I believe are suspicious. As you should all know by now I'm not a big fan of lynching lurkers. I think we should lynch scummy players, if the lurkyness of a player adds to their scummyness it should of course be included see my mini case on Dandel above.
We should make sure to lynch someone who seems scummy and we should make sure to get people to get their opinions out on the candidates early, we need more information earlier.
on that note: I didn't see anything in the OP about encryption, what are your rules on it? I don't want to break the game if you don't allow it.
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On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote:I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that. which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely.
Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it.
Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start)
I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one.
Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason.
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On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote:I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that. which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely. Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it. Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one. Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason.
You hit the nail right on the head there. I just finished reading through the thread. There's not one case that I can build that isn't completely WIFOM-y.
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Do you think we should still policy lynch yourharry?
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On August 10 2012 05:37 iamperfection wrote:
Do you think we should still policy lynch yourharry?
No. Policy lynching a player because he was playing as a bad townie two games ago is no substitute for actual scumhunting. When town is only 1 mislynch away from LYLO, we'll be regretting it, hard.
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ebwop i was asking dandel ion
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@ ShadySands
Well surely there's something you can comment on after a few pages of posting. Does any behavior stick out to you? Any posters/posts that seem scummy/townie/etc?
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On August 10 2012 05:37 iamperfection wrote:
Do you think we should still policy lynch yourharry?
I was only 50% serious about that.
So no, but if no better targets come up on day 1, I'll contemplate it again.
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I made that statement because YH's goal would go along these lines: It's a blind town read that could turn into a WIFOM town circle based on hapa's later reaction -- given that YH is town.
Otherwise Yh could be mafia trying to gain town cred by calling someone town (who he knows is town).
If both are mafia it would be quite risky because one red flip casts suspicion on the other in that case.
However they would still be providing some cover to each other.
As i said the point is moot because it was retracted and its impossible to make a WIFOM read on YH if he didn't know his role at the time.
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On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote:I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that. which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely. Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it. Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one. Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason.
Right, and we're all newbs so why give basci advice that you know when he surely knows it too? What was scummy was that you chose to say something so neutral after being gone for 24 hours. You left, came back and thought to yourself 'what would improve this thread? Ahh, basic advice'
You are scummier than them because SS hadn't posted, I don't know anything about Axero, GK had said somethings which had opinions in them (though not as many as I would like) and Sideni is the same as he was before as town. You are the one who was worth pointing out.
Okay seriously? You mentioned a quarter of the players in this game doing something which could be discussed and said you had nothing to discuss. What the fuck?
SS and Dandel: don't give me this shit. Discuss the game and the players, we essentially got a free meta test day with D1.0 so we are starting from a better position than we were in on the first day one. I, for one, see more from this day than the one before it.
Hapa: I'm glad you are here so that I'll have someone to talk to. Although given that you and I are both known for active scum play I won't be able to get reads out of your activity I look forward to getting reads from your play. What is your opinion of Dandel?
Imperfection: unless you are scum you are doing this wrong. I like you a lot but this play isn't good, if you wanted me to make a case well good I did, how did your opinion change? You wanted something from lvdr, YH, Mkfuba and half the other players in this game too. But you aren't changing your opinion after they post more. Why so free with your FoS? And why so restrained in taking it back? I'm all for a wide net but you need to use it right.
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Right now I'm watching Lvdr and Axero pretty closely. Neither of these two are giving us much material to work with, but this post from Lvdr, in particular, strikes me as odd:
On August 10 2012 05:54 Lvdr wrote:
I made that statement because YH's goal would go along these lines: It's a blind town read that could turn into a WIFOM town circle based on hapa's later reaction -- given that YH is town.
Otherwise Yh could be mafia trying to gain town cred by calling someone town (who he knows is town).
If both are mafia it would be quite risky because one red flip casts suspicion on the other in that case.
However they would still be providing some cover to each other.
As i said the point is moot because it was retracted and its impossible to make a WIFOM read on YH if he didn't know his role at the time.
First off, it fits the textbook description of WIFOM (presenting two scenarios that lead to completely opposite conclusions without actually saying which one is more likely). Second, why would Lvdr be trying to talk about what the scum should or shouldn't be doing? He basically illustrates two ways scum could help each other (by covering or by distancing), giving YH either a perfect excuse to improve his posting, or putting YH into a difficult spot with regards to actually changing his meta from XXI.
In essence, Lvdr is pulling off something that's highly scummy: WIFOM that leads inexorably to giving Lvdr the option to launch a series of accusations on YH no matter what YH posts. That's kind of wierd.
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Hapa: I'm glad you are here so that I'll have someone to talk to. Although given that you and I are both known for active scum play I won't be able to get reads out of your activity I look forward to getting reads from your play. What is your opinion of Dandel?
Nothing much to say on Dandel, as he still hasn't done anything. Like really - he's posted nothing of substance 24 hours into the day. I'm naturally suspicious of people who do not stick their neck out, but I have no grounds to FOS him or anything like that. For now, I'll stick with my suspicions against iamperfection that I recently posted.
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