EPTPoint 3 in a nutshell is his "live and let live" attitude, considering he knows nothing about their alignment, looks very 3rd party-esque. Being diplomatic is one thing, deciding to not play against or even discuss them on n0 is another matter.
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Point 3 in a nutshell is his "live and let live" attitude, considering he knows nothing about their alignment, looks very 3rd party-esque. Being diplomatic is one thing, deciding to not play against or even discuss them on n0 is another matter. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On June 18 2012 10:40 xsksc wrote: Umm, no, Nisani. Point 3 in a nutshell is his "live and let live" attitude, considering he knows nothing about their alignment, looks very 3rd party-esque. Being diplomatic is one thing, deciding to not play against or even discuss them on n0 is another matter. That's a pretty good way to put it, IMO. It's not a town attitude. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
However, I also don't see how posting cases and getting more information out in the thread can be a bad thing, so here's my case on Drazerk. On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote: From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game I see this as an attempt to shut down discussion. More information is good for Town; why in the world would it be a good idea to not talk about something like Chezinu? Note that Drazerk doesn't attempt to re-channel discussion in a way that would help the town. It seems like people are generally in agreement that Hiro's gambit was a good way to generate town discussion on N0. Drazerk was generally the anti-Hiro in this story. On June 17 2012 06:28 Drazerk wrote: I believe there is no scum team more on this idea never That's what the scum team wants us to think. They would like to hide in the fact that there was no scum team in the last bastard game, but there's no reason to believe that there isn't a scum team this game - and it may be dangerous to do so. And then there's like a jillion posts about the whole "cult" thing. There was never any reason to believe that Chezinu is a cult, but Drazerk really strongly clings to this idea. So this all fits into a scum agenda. At first, they want everyone to ignore the chezinu house, because they want to get a member into it and use it to influence people. Then when it becomes the subject of discussion anyway, they move to trying to discredit it by asserting it's scum. Finally, just look at Drazerk's filter. It's four freaking pages of content-less one-line posts. He's not taking anything seriously enough to do anything other than assert his opinion on it. That doesn't smell like town to me. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
Do people not think Maju is scummy? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
can you make a case on why you think Maju is scummy? I want to add more people to my do not shoot list :-) | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
you're using evidence we know now to incriminate past beliefs which seems pretty questionable to me but i'll give you a break as my play style leads to myself being an easy band wagon the same way kenpachi is. Also with Talismania forcing everyone to make a case except himself its bad cases like this that need to be looked at and questioned as I just got a huge third party vibe from S+B who just wants to survive. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
do you really want me gone so soon? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Your case against me is forced at best. On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote: While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party. I can't hold my liquor so well. On June 17 2012 03:18 FourFace wrote: House Chezinu drinking game => you drink every time someone mentions House Chezinu This was the quote i was replying to in my quote Why have you completely skipped my question? Why are you twisting the time factor of both you and 201's post and my post. You and 201 talking about allying with House Chezinu came before my joke post. @talismania What you are doing is pro-town. But where is your case? I would like a case from you as well and soon. Nisani201. People find it wierd to ally so fast with a house without any information from it? On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote: Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies. Only people that wants friends are scum/third parties. Towns can credit themselves cred by scum hunting. Scum/third parties are lazy and lack this advantage. On June 17 2012 07:22 Nisani201 wrote: I highly doubt that there are any vanilla roles such as "serial killer" in this game. Why discredit the existence of a 3rd party be it a group or 1 single individual? On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote: Some other points to make: If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have. I also don't like the case on Maju On June 18 2012 07:19 Nisani201 wrote: I think the source of a lot of confusion surrounding the monarch stuff is because talis/acro aren't making good distinctions between what is fact (established in the role pm) and what is speculation. Could you two be more specific? Why are you so interested in the King and the specific set up? Do they have anything to do with your win-con? On June 17 2012 10:09 Nisani201 wrote: What information is revealed upon death? With 0 KP last night and KB who is buddy-buddying you is in the spotlight. Are you afraid his death will reveal existence of your 3rd party set up? I believe 201 is 3rd party with an anti-town win con. ##Vote: Nisani201 | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Just to get the time right: On June 18 2012 04:18 KharadBanar wrote: SO. I'm back. -sniped- Basically, at first he immediately wants to join (this is even before Nisani201's alliance proposal), but then is very unsure about Nisani201 and me are allying to them because "the alignment of the faction is unknown." If you are concerned about the faction being of unkown alignment, why did you try to join in the first place? Lie in question. On June 17 2012 03:09 Nisani201 wrote: Wait, it's not day yet. I would like to join the Chezinu house but I do not want to tell everyone my SUPER SECRET ROLE that is VERY IMPORTANT. So I would like to ally with you. How does that sound? On June 17 2012 03:18 FourFace wrote: House Chezinu drinking game => you drink every time someone mentions House Chezinu On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote: I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201. If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future. On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote: While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party. I can't hold my liquor so well. Why the deliberate lie and choice of ignoring the question? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17987 Posts
There's some things I like, and some things I don't. Among the primary things I don't like is DropBear. I think he's scum masquerading as a cute koala. I hinted at the fact that I didn't much like this koala's filter during the night, and there's something equally off with his day posting. What it specifically looks like, is that he's blending. + Show Spoiler [My spidey senses started tingling] + On June 17 2012 04:00 DropBear wrote: And I said baby... doo doo... it's 3am I must be lonely... doo doo Hello all! I am fantabulously confused already. HiroPro I regretfully must pass on your offer for the time being, as you speak of fellow board members who remain undisclosed and speak of supporting members at lynch time regardless of their suspected alignment. Please don't be offended, it's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust you YET. Plus it's hard to trust your associates when I don't know who they are  Just out of interest, what did your promotion of VisceraEyes achieve? Was he originally part of your group or did he join up after your recruitment announcement? This was DropBear's first post in the game. Specifically note the part that I bolded red. This is someone who is trying to fly under the radar. He then continues with two questions about VE, which was the only part of the Chezinu deal we could be sure of was trolling during the night (VE isn't and never was in the game). This whole post reads to me like: + Show Spoiler [ jedi scum] + ![[image loading]](http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gif) So... we continue through his filter. There's more questions like the VE one: On June 17 2012 11:47 DropBear wrote: Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead. Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her? This seems to be just not paying attention to the thread. As I said at night, HiroPro never actually mentioned the king. This post also came after I said that my role pm said the MA is a kingmaker. I am not sure what to think of this, but town usually reads the thread, and individual posts better than scum: they are scumhunting, while scum (thinks they) can get away with browsing the thread and commenting on trending topics. Talking about trending topics: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2012 09:54 DropBear wrote: I want KB dead. Let's geddim. He is running scared and trying desperately to appear helpful but not actually saying anything. On June 18 2012 09:57 DropBear wrote: Can you shoot KB talismania? On June 18 2012 10:23 DropBear wrote: Context? Isn't context everything? Wtf does this even mean? Alright talismania how bout you shoot Nisani instead? We can hang KB and shoot Nisani. I have not yet seen DropBear state why he thinks KB is scum, but he's incredibly trigger happy! He makes it clear that he wants KB DEAD. Why exactly? Well, that nobody can know from reading his filter. He has this post: + Show Spoiler [A koala's suspicions] + On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote: Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off. This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing? You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB? This post is nice, and it came at a time when we were just figuring out the implications of KB (and Nisani)'s alliance deal with Chezinu. I don't mind this post at all, but this is not a reason to want KB dead. I want to kill scum, and I want to reason out why someone is scum. There is no reasoning in our vicious koala's posts. There is a light accusation, which at daybreak turned into "MURDER HIM". This just doesn't sit well with me, especially as I am leaning increasingly towards some third party role for KB, which may or may not be anti-town, but is probably not (pure) scum. The reason people just want to whip up a bandwagon (or direct a dayvig) without proper reasoning is usually because they're scum and the target is not on their scumteam. They don't get caught in awkward reasoning in actual cases after the fact, but can point to how they wanted that person dead for easy town credit if he flips red or 3P. All of this together points to DropBear being a scum in koala clothing. Other comments Oh, and for the record, this post would've been made regardless of Talismania and he can go stuff his "oooh, people are making good cases so will not get shot" up his ass. I have made decent cases as scum too and it is really easy in a game like this where there's quite probably 3rd party floating around too. Talsimania should focus less on his dayvig plan and more on scumhunting. When he finds scum (*hint* it's dropbear) he should shoot, not wait for someone too be too busy or lazy to post a case. Drazerk: I don't like you, you're trolling and I don't trust you at all. You're playing like in Holy Roman (without the rhyming restriction) and if I were a dayvig I would probably shoot you just to get rid of that nagging doubt in the back of my head. KB: just because I don't like DropBear doesn't mean I like you. Your posts are terrible and I don't think you're town. I would be onboard a KB lynch if DropBear gets shot. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17987 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17987 Posts
 And... apparently quickmeme does something nasty to images, so you can't download them. Fixed using a different meme generator!  + Show Spoiler [fixed jedi scum] + ![[image loading]](https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/6/18/YujRuN2wbkWwfIa3Tzymtg2.jpg) | ||
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
No shit Hiro never mentioned the King. I thought his recruitment drive thing was cos he was allied with the king and was asking him if it was true. You don't mind my post as to saying why I find KB suspicious, but then you don't think its a reason to want him dead? That's a paradox. You can't like my reasoning and then tell me its bad reasoning. I want KB dead and I stand by that. You have omitted several of my posts that also indicate that I don't trust him. This case seems poorly thought out man. I wouldn't go so far as to say manufactured, but poorly thought out. If you don't think KB is town, why would you not want him dead as well? | ||
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FourFace
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1) ETs first 11 posts are all about House Chezinu cheers, more specifically on and off about it being a cult or not.. like playing ping pong with my patience = the ball, and him and Drazerk the players. I call it scum pong that can, at it's finest, make you want to slit your wrist while trying to read the thread like in LVI Toad vs VE. He says he called it as trolling but he simply enumerated all the possibilities not definitely opting for either. He also states the intention of being part of a mason circle that anyone can join and is being established on n0 - which means you have no clue about the alignment of the players yet and thus it's very likely that scum join the circle. Technically it's not a mason circle and one is supposed to be weary and cautious upon joining under these particular circumstances but the fact that he takes the words mason circle in his mouth and repeatedly chews it over is scummy imo A town player would see the lack of benefit in this whole endeavor and stfu about it. 2) On June 17 2012 22:55 EchelonTee wrote: I'm not feeling KB quite yet, I'd say 201 is a better lynch. Thoughts? That's pathetic 3) 13th post About House Chezinu (hiccup+burp, excuse me) again but this time pay attention and think for a minute On June 17 2012 22:58 EchelonTee wrote: well, I'm not sending my alignment to anyone as an application or whatever the hell, so if that's the actual way to join, then I'm not joining. If it's a mason circle, I want to be part of it. Simple as that. Call me scum for that if you want, I want more info on this whole she-bang. ET is so into mason circles, right? But here is the perfect opportunity to have a clean mason circle with no scum in it unless they claim scum via the application. I mean you send your application to the mods.. they announce your role and wincon in the circle and then you're good to chat among fellow confirmed townies but instead this is exactly what he doesn't want because as scum he would drop his disguise for what? A couple of third parties and townies because the MA wouldn't be so stupid to join and reveal himself like that and at this point ET must've also come to this conclusion. TL;DR: ET says he wants in on a potentially corrupted to hell mason circle but when the perspective arises to be in a perfectly sanitized pro-town mason circle he changes his mind. 4) projected morale On June 18 2012 00:17 EchelonTee wrote: this game was a lot more fun about 8 pages ago, sad I missed out I've read somewhere that scum always points out the negative aspects is one of those times. He's saying this game sux, you all suck you are boring for fucks sake entertain me. This + the scum pong with Drazerk is reason enough for me to vote for you, because these passive and subtle blows to morale outweigh any active trolling attempts in harmfulness. 5) there is no mafia faction lolololo - which someone said scum would want town to believe and I agree.Also in the same post a half-ass accusation of Maju because he is trending. On June 18 2012 03:10 EchelonTee wrote: if no one claims save, then I guess no mafia faction lolololol totally called it that Chezinu was fake :p Maju looks scummy, yah; he looked a lot like that in TL LV. I needa see if he has any older games where he's town. -His first newbie scum game when he was town, he was more forthright and called people scum and stuff, unlike this game. Not a bad lynch, looks scummy. 6) So basically he thinks he can get away with voting for those who other made cases against and are the most talked about suspicion-wise. On June 18 2012 11:29 EchelonTee wrote: I support either a KB lynch or a Maju lynch. I read one of KB's newbie town game and he actually sounded townie and stuff. Do people not think Maju is scummy? Gay, and lazy and careless imo. ##Vote: EchelonTee | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17987 Posts
On June 18 2012 20:03 DropBear wrote: Lol Acrofales that first post started off with the lyrics from the matchbox 20 song 3am because it was 3am my time. I was saying that I don't want to join house Chezinu, whats the problem there? I very specifically took a stance against joining, how is that blending? No shit Hiro never mentioned the King. I thought his recruitment drive thing was cos he was allied with the king and was asking him if it was true. You don't mind my post as to saying why I find KB suspicious, but then you don't think its a reason to want him dead? That's a paradox. You can't like my reasoning and then tell me its bad reasoning. I want KB dead and I stand by that. You have omitted several of my posts that also indicate that I don't trust him. This case seems poorly thought out man. I wouldn't go so far as to say manufactured, but poorly thought out. If you don't think KB is town, why would you not want him dead as well? I still don't understand how you ever got a link between Hiro and the king... it makes no sense. You didn't "very specifically take a stance against Chezinu", you said you didn't trust them "yet", which is about the same as saying nothing. Drazerk took a stance against Chezinu. I took a stance against Chezinu. Talismania made his opinon on Chezinu clear (saying he wanted more info before considering them). Nisani and KB also had a clear stance on Chezinu. You just blended, making a post that can be interpreted either way. The same is your early pressure on KB: at the time it was good. It was a correctly voiced suspicion of some suspicious shit. However, he answered your suspicions. Your only real post about KB since then was "I want him dead". I guess when you say you've posted "other stuff on KB" indicating you don't trust him, you are referring to this: On June 17 2012 11:47 DropBear wrote: Oh wow words words words this makes me think something is off about you even more. If we have any blues please kill/check him tonight. + Show Spoiler [Other stuff] + Talismani, I don't have this information so are this king and monarchist activist person you speak of related or unrelated? My wikipedia search of what a monarchist activist is says that they support the crown, but may also support someone who has been deposed or rightfully belongs there Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead. Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her? You still haven't actually given a reason to kill him. Which comes together with my final answer to you: why do you think KharadBanar is scum. I think he's not town. I am not yet sure he's anti-town and don't find his behaviour actually scummy... it seems far more likely that he's a survivor or some other non-helpful third party. My priorities are on finding and killing scum. So far, you're still my favourite target and this defense of yours is unconvincing. I don't mind being wrong, though. How about you tell me why KB is scum and should die. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote: Reflections regarding EchelonTee; 1) ETs first 11 posts are all about House Chezinu cheers, more specifically on and off about it being a cult or not.. like playing ping pong with my patience = the ball, and him and Drazerk the players. I call it scum pong that can, at it's finest, make you want to slit your wrist while trying to read the thread like in LVI Toad vs VE. He says he called it as trolling but he simply enumerated all the possibilities not definitely opting for either. He also states the intention of being part of a mason circle that anyone can join and is being established on n0 - which means you have no clue about the alignment of the players yet and thus it's very likely that scum join the circle. Technically it's not a mason circle and one is supposed to be weary and cautious upon joining under these particular circumstances but the fact that he takes the words mason circle in his mouth and repeatedly chews it over is scummy imo A town player would see the lack of benefit in this whole endeavor and stfu about it. 2) That's pathetic 3) 13th post About House Chezinu (hiccup+burp, excuse me) again but this time pay attention and think for a minute ET is so into mason circles, right? But here is the perfect opportunity to have a clean mason circle with no scum in it unless they claim scum via the application. I mean you send your application to the mods.. they announce your role and wincon in the circle and then you're good to chat among fellow confirmed townies but instead this is exactly what he doesn't want because as scum he would drop his disguise for what? A couple of third parties and townies because the MA wouldn't be so stupid to join and reveal himself like that and at this point ET must've also come to this conclusion. TL;DR: ET says he wants in on a potentially corrupted to hell mason circle but when the perspective arises to be in a perfectly sanitized pro-town mason circle he changes his mind. 4) projected morale I've read somewhere that scum always points out the negative aspects is one of those times. He's saying this game sux, you all suck you are boring for fucks sake entertain me. This + the scum pong with Drazerk is reason enough for me to vote for you, because these passive and subtle blows to morale outweigh any active trolling attempts in harmfulness. 5) - which someone said scum would want town to believe and I agree. Also in the same post a half-ass accusation of Maju because he is trending. 6) So basically he thinks he can get away with voting for those who other made cases against and are the most talked about suspicion-wise. Gay, and lazy and careless imo. ##Vote: EchelonTee you're gay. dickhead. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote: Reflections regarding EchelonTee; 1) ETs first 11 posts are all about House Chezinu cheers, more specifically on and off about it being a cult or not.. like playing ping pong with my patience = the ball, and him and Drazerk the players. I call it scum pong that can, at it's finest, make you want to slit your wrist while trying to read the thread like in LVI Toad vs VE. He says he called it as trolling but he simply enumerated all the possibilities not definitely opting for either. He also states the intention of being part of a mason circle that anyone can join and is being established on n0 - which means you have no clue about the alignment of the players yet and thus it's very likely that scum join the circle. Technically it's not a mason circle and one is supposed to be weary and cautious upon joining under these particular circumstances but the fact that he takes the words mason circle in his mouth and repeatedly chews it over is scummy imo A town player would see the lack of benefit in this whole endeavor and stfu about it. 2) That's pathetic 3) 13th post About House Chezinu (hiccup+burp, excuse me) again but this time pay attention and think for a minute ET is so into mason circles, right? But here is the perfect opportunity to have a clean mason circle with no scum in it unless they claim scum via the application. I mean you send your application to the mods.. they announce your role and wincon in the circle and then you're good to chat among fellow confirmed townies but instead this is exactly what he doesn't want because as scum he would drop his disguise for what? A couple of third parties and townies because the MA wouldn't be so stupid to join and reveal himself like that and at this point ET must've also come to this conclusion. TL;DR: ET says he wants in on a potentially corrupted to hell mason circle but when the perspective arises to be in a perfectly sanitized pro-town mason circle he changes his mind. 4) projected morale I've read somewhere that scum always points out the negative aspects is one of those times. He's saying this game sux, you all suck you are boring for fucks sake entertain me. This + the scum pong with Drazerk is reason enough for me to vote for you, because these passive and subtle blows to morale outweigh any active trolling attempts in harmfulness. 5) - which someone said scum would want town to believe and I agree. Also in the same post a half-ass accusation of Maju because he is trending. 6) So basically he thinks he can get away with voting for those who other made cases against and are the most talked about suspicion-wise. Gay, and lazy and careless imo. ##Vote: EchelonTee You don't even say how any of what I've said is scummy lol | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
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