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On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. Show nested quote +Generic Mayoral Campagin I think I am the best candidate to be voted into office, these are my credentials: - I am Town
- I promise to be active
- I always do bad as scum, so even if I'm scum you can catch me (Optional: Link or reference past games)
- I promise to lynch someone scummy (Or a lurker, or another mayoral candidate, or Kavdragon)
- I am the best townie who ever towned
- I like kittens and ponies, and everything innocent and pure
VOTE FOR ME!!!!! I think this adequately describes nearly every mayoral post we will see in this game. So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard.
IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position.
Are you planning on be really active Foolishness?
Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_-
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On January 13 2012 15:22 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. LOL that's a good reason to get you voted in. Lynching someone for having an opinion.
Your posts have been very bad so far.
On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it.
This post is also bad.
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Also voting for BM because he is BM is really dumb. He should be treated like any other player, we don't need metagame arguments/discussions about him clogging up the thread. Don't vote for him, stop discussing him until he posts, then talk about his posts. Thanks you.
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On January 13 2012 15:25 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote:
Foolishness, first of, what a beautiful campaign, you made more sense than anyone else until now. I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this? The incarcerate ability seems like more of an asset to the mafia than the town (it's almost like a roleblocker). The extra votes will help mafia if it gets down near lylo. With 10 mafia I think it's safe to say we got some blue power on our side (exactly what or how is unknown, but it's there). I think it's better to halt the mafia from getting additional benefits then protecting a potentially good player. As you said a good town player is only "potentially" good. Even the best players have off games for whatever reasons. A mafia team won't "potentially" use those abilities correctly, they will.
The sheriff is a jailkeeper, which can be used very well for the town if put into the right hands, either offensively or defensively. Why do you think it's better for scum? I'm checking if the mayor/sheriff can be roleblocked right now, but if they can't then that means that we would have an assured protection in the form of the sheriff, which is extremely powerful for town.
Also, I didn't notice the mayor gets a triple vote, disregard what I said about the mayor not being that good besides protection for a good player.
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On January 13 2012 15:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:25 Foolishness wrote:On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote:
Foolishness, first of, what a beautiful campaign, you made more sense than anyone else until now. I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this? The incarcerate ability seems like more of an asset to the mafia than the town (it's almost like a roleblocker). The extra votes will help mafia if it gets down near lylo. With 10 mafia I think it's safe to say we got some blue power on our side (exactly what or how is unknown, but it's there). I think it's better to halt the mafia from getting additional benefits then protecting a potentially good player. As you said a good town player is only "potentially" good. Even the best players have off games for whatever reasons. A mafia team won't "potentially" use those abilities correctly, they will. The sheriff is a jailkeeper, which can be used very well for the town if put into the right hands, either offensively or defensively. Why do you think it's better for scum? I'm checking if the mayor/sheriff can be roleblocked right now, but if they can't then that means that we would have an assured protection in the form of the sheriff, which is extremely powerful for town. Also, I didn't notice the mayor gets a triple vote, disregard what I said about the mayor not being that good besides protection for a good player.
They can't be roleblocked, I just got confirmation. Going to bed now, see you guys tomorrow.
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/confirm
Sorry guys, had a terribly busy day and am actually just heading to bed now. I'll definitely be here tomorrow.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 13 2012 15:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:25 Foolishness wrote:On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote:
Foolishness, first of, what a beautiful campaign, you made more sense than anyone else until now. I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this? The incarcerate ability seems like more of an asset to the mafia than the town (it's almost like a roleblocker). The extra votes will help mafia if it gets down near lylo. With 10 mafia I think it's safe to say we got some blue power on our side (exactly what or how is unknown, but it's there). I think it's better to halt the mafia from getting additional benefits then protecting a potentially good player. As you said a good town player is only "potentially" good. Even the best players have off games for whatever reasons. A mafia team won't "potentially" use those abilities correctly, they will. The sheriff is a jailkeeper, which can be used very well for the town if put into the right hands, either offensively or defensively. Why do you think it's better for scum? I'm checking if the mayor/sheriff can be roleblocked right now, but if they can't then that means that we would have an assured protection in the form of the sheriff, which is extremely powerful for town. Also, I didn't notice the mayor gets a triple vote, disregard what I said about the mayor not being that good besides protection for a good player.
How can the town effectively use the power? The only thing I can see it being used for is as a medic, but it's a bit worthless on nearly any blue role. Incarcerating a mafia is only going to reduce KP if the planets are aligned (i.e. there are the right number of mafia alive) or there's the lucky chance you get one of the mafia power roles (which we don't even know exist). The power is more useful late game (if it even gets to that point) but only for protecting a townie.
And considering we don't have free PMing it's even more worthless as it'd be much better for coordinating behind the scenes.
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On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:22 Ciryandor wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. LOL that's a good reason to get you voted in. Lynching someone for having an opinion. Your posts have been very bad so far. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad.
LOL says the guy whose first post is to criticize bad posts.
In a more productive light, where is Bill? Does he actually want to be mayor? I'm starting to wonder why Foolishness is pushing for him to be mayor. Are there any other candidates besides Kita and Wiggles that want to step up? I realize that it's only the third hour or so from game's start, so we'll probably have activity pick up in the next nine or so from EU people waking up.
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The "Why Bum should be mayor" post
First off, as surprising as it is, people don't know who I am. You will get to know me children. Like a loving father.
For those who do know me, I have many faces. I am batman, scumatlarge, or that mayor who forgot to- SHUT UP. I am all those, but none of those. I am the leader. I will not make us win this game. I will make YOU win us this game. That's my platform. I'll organize the shit out of everything and be superactive. No one can doubt that. I have more games here then any other individual. Yeah. Smoke that while I continue.
I believe a strong candidacy is based around a strong lynch. It's the strongest thing a mayor can do. Any mayor who does not is a BAD MAYOR. No excuses. Guess what my ratio for lynching scum is as mayor. 100%. Bam. I'm never wrong when I am mayor. If I am elected, I will lynch scum EASILY. IT WILL NOT BE DIFFICULT. And that will trigger your innate scumhunting abilities. People will look back at this game and go "Dayum, that town was tighter then a noose around Foolishness." or something.
Game Plan
We are going to analyze everything so well, people will be complaining at the amount of sheer content that we will be churning out. That is our priority. It's a 50-man game, so I want you to take active posters and read into them carefully. Thread-presence people. I won't to rule this out for scum. So I'm going to throw a zodiac list down of people I think are very good at mafia. They make great plays and have experience in posting well. If you see something off about any of these people, point it out. My initial list will just be from experience. These people have THREAD PRESCENCE regardless of their role.
+ Show Spoiler +
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wherebugsgo
Foolishness
BloodyC0bbler
Bill Murray
Palmar
Protactinium (Mystlord/Incognito)
Don't take offense if you aren't here, but these are posters that people look for, and scum center their discussion around. I don't think I'm great at controlling a thread, I more or less derail it as scum, and provide awesome townie support. I'd put solid players like myself, kitaman and Wiggles as vets and I'd throw them on a zodiac list, but this list is for newer players to understand strong personalities here. I would mason one of these players. Remember boys; thread prescence.
Power-Roles
There are alot of roles, and it is somewhat overwhelming, but as long as you apply logic to your decision making, you can't do something wrong. I'll go through each role and tell you how I would play it, because I'm good at mafia.
DON'T IDLY CLAIM. THINK BEFORE YOU DO. THINK LONG. Because I think my major mistake is thinking I have to get in the middle of things as a power role early on. So I claim early, when I shouldn't. In this aspect, do not be a bum.
Detective: You get roles. I think you lose some of your strength in claiming early, so I would hold off on claiming until you catch scum in a lie, or a person telling the truth is about to be lynched. This is very general, so use your best judgement. Check people in question. You will find yourself checking into the list I posted very often.
Medic: Never claim unless you have ruled out all reasons why you should not. Protect people who post analysis you agree with. Bam, you are a good medic.
Mad Hatter: I find this role much easier then vigilante. It's each to lay them out across scummy people and change your opinion. Mad hatters often hit at least 1 scum, so it is always worth it. Try to put it on less prominent scummy people rather then active scummy people. Rather then throw a bomb on them, get on their asses. It's never fun being down a bomb.
Vigilante: Personally, I always hold my shots late, but if you see the window, BREAK IT. Just remember, there is a "too early" while there is rarely a "too-late". Do the opposite of the madhatters.
VeteranPost alot, be active. I want you to have at least one warning from a mod for posting too much. Instead of reading it as "Stop posting" pretend it says "Slow-down". I picture it as if I was cruising down some urban street and the light goes yellow, and you just speed up. Exactly. Analysis. I will be doing an analysis before I post my lynch target, so you can see how I do it.
Jack: You are awesome, so post like you are awesome. Don't post around what your actions will be that night, perform your actions around how you are posting. I've never been a jack so what do I know.
Mason Favorite role, I kind of laugh when I see mafia masons, as they are not good at all. It's basically more work for mafia to convince people in the thread and then in PMs. Still be wary. There is a lot of mindgames in PMs, but nothing is as cool as being sure the other person is town. It's basically like a mini-game of mafia. Give each other analysis, and plan out what you will do with the other person. Better yet, mason me and we will a force to be reckoned with.
Mafia roles: Keep them in mind, but don't play around them unless you have solid reasons to do so. Let mafia respond to you instead of the other way around.
I am scanning for the best lynch at the moment, and I take what everyone says into account, so stop reading this and post.
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On January 13 2012 15:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 13 2012 15:25 Foolishness wrote:On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote:
Foolishness, first of, what a beautiful campaign, you made more sense than anyone else until now. I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this? The incarcerate ability seems like more of an asset to the mafia than the town (it's almost like a roleblocker). The extra votes will help mafia if it gets down near lylo. With 10 mafia I think it's safe to say we got some blue power on our side (exactly what or how is unknown, but it's there). I think it's better to halt the mafia from getting additional benefits then protecting a potentially good player. As you said a good town player is only "potentially" good. Even the best players have off games for whatever reasons. A mafia team won't "potentially" use those abilities correctly, they will. The sheriff is a jailkeeper, which can be used very well for the town if put into the right hands, either offensively or defensively. Why do you think it's better for scum? I'm checking if the mayor/sheriff can be roleblocked right now, but if they can't then that means that we would have an assured protection in the form of the sheriff, which is extremely powerful for town. Also, I didn't notice the mayor gets a triple vote, disregard what I said about the mayor not being that good besides protection for a good player. How can the town effectively use the power? The only thing I can see it being used for is as a medic, but it's a bit worthless on nearly any blue role. Incarcerating a mafia is only going to reduce KP if the planets are aligned (i.e. there are the right number of mafia alive) or there's the lucky chance you get one of the mafia power roles (which we don't even know exist). The power is more useful late game (if it even gets to that point) but only for protecting a townie. And considering we don't have free PMing it's even more worthless as it'd be much better for coordinating behind the scenes.
It's an unblockable medic, why wouldn't town be able to use it? You also didn't actually answer my question.
I'm not sure why we're arguing, though, as the whole point is to get the role into town hands, and to keep it away from mafia. Whether or not it's better for scum than town, we still don't want them to have it. Hopefully you can agree to that.
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Bum, why are you giving generic blue advice?
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On January 13 2012 15:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Bum, why are you giving generic blue advice?
Because I might be a generic blue! Or because I dont think its generic. Looking at past games, 9 out of 10 times people make mistakes as blue. We can make it optimal. I'll be calling for shots and protects anyway, because I feel like it would help town more then it hurts it in a big game like this.
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Oh look there I go claiming too early again 
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On January 13 2012 15:48 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:On January 13 2012 15:22 Ciryandor wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. LOL that's a good reason to get you voted in. Lynching someone for having an opinion. Your posts have been very bad so far. On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad. LOL says the guy whose first post is to criticize bad posts. In a more productive light, where is Bill? Does he actually want to be mayor? I'm starting to wonder why Foolishness is pushing for him to be mayor. Are there any other candidates besides Kita and Wiggles that want to step up? I realize that it's only the third hour or so from game's start, so we'll probably have activity pick up in the next nine or so from EU people waking up.
Hey Cyriandor,
could you put some more thoughts into your posts please?
Foolishness has given all the reasons why he thinks that BM should be elected mayor. You can argue with his reasons but what you wrote is just plain terrible.
The game has gone on for one hour so basicly you managed to say a whole lot of absolutely nothing again.
@ Bum: What was that?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
How is this jailkeeper talk relevant? It doesn't matter whether or not the sheriff is a better scum or town role. We want it to be in town hands regardless. Bodyguard protection is the strongest electoral benefit. I feel like you're baiting poor discussion topics at the moment Foolishness.
On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote:
I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this?
How did you even come to this conclusion? I don't see anything in his posts that indicate he was suggesting this.
Now that bum has taken care of the blue role guidelines, nobody else needs to discuss them. Weak first post from Protact. I missed that there were double lynches in my initial glance at the setup. Generally I think its best to use at least one of them early to generate information and work towards reducing the mafia kp as soon as possible. Finding the first few mafia is always the toughest.
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@kita, if elected who are you thinking of lynching/what will be your methodology for the Day 1 lynch?
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All the mayor candidates suck.
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On January 13 2012 16:18 Nisani201 wrote:
All the mayor candidates suck.
Needlessly negative and broad, don't you think? You could be probing or discussing instead of just commenting apathetically. Any thoughts on the bad candidates?
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On January 13 2012 16:06 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:48 Ciryandor wrote:On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:On January 13 2012 15:22 Ciryandor wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. LOL that's a good reason to get you voted in. Lynching someone for having an opinion. Your posts have been very bad so far. On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad. LOL says the guy whose first post is to criticize bad posts. In a more productive light, where is Bill? Does he actually want to be mayor? I'm starting to wonder why Foolishness is pushing for him to be mayor. Are there any other candidates besides Kita and Wiggles that want to step up? I realize that it's only the third hour or so from game's start, so we'll probably have activity pick up in the next nine or so from EU people waking up. Hey Cyriandor, could you put some more thoughts into your posts please? Foolishness has given all the reasons why he thinks that BM should be elected mayor. You can argue with his reasons but what you wrote is just plain terrible. The game has gone on for one hour so basicly you managed to say a whole lot of absolutely nothing again. @ Bum: What was that?
What I am asking is where Bill is, and what he has to say about Foolishness giving some good reasons for him to become Mayor. The question is directed at Bill, who isn't here right now. Is it wrong to ask the guy somebody else is pushing to become mayor what he thinks of this, and if he wants to be in that position? It's a legitimate question after all; I should be asking you why you it's not a good question to actually doubt Foolishness' motives in proposing Bill's as well?
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if i'm not elected, there is no reason why a DT shouldn't be on me to confirm me
Foolishness really posted what I was going to get on here to post. That being said, yeah, I'm running for mayor. I want to scumhunt this game, and I am already beaded in on someone.
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