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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
"It might be called 'free speech' but it's not without consequences!" is what he said. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:32 Mayfly wrote: Thanks for proving my point. edit: Why did you choose to quote me to say that? Here, let me get the IMPORTANT part for you. Wikipedia says: ...in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics Okay. I've ended your stupid debate. let's get back on topic here, okay? Let me start this off - having Mein Kampf in your list of "books read" is generally a bad thing, and helps show this individual may have been unstable or a little overly influenced by sources such as these. Might have been a red flag really - but was there any way to truly prevent this? Was this the fault of people such as Beck or Palin, or was it just simply a direction for this man to kill? Was he going to end up killing someone anyways? IE - Who is to blame? | ||
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TheAldo
United States214 Posts
Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, speaking about Arizona: "When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry. "It's not unusual for all public officials to get threats constantly, myself included. And that's the sad thing of what's going on in America. Pretty soon, we're not going to be able to find reasonable, decent people who are willing to subject themselves to serve in public office." | ||
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Mayfly
145 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:37 Comeh wrote: Here, let me get the IMPORTANT part for you. Mein Kampf is not practical. User was warned for this post | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:05 stepover12 wrote: watch Giffords herself talking about Palin's poster: Is it just a random shooting, is it all a coincidence? Or, is it not random?.. It's senseless violence, yes, but not in the perpetrator's mind. Feels so strange to watch this video considering the events of today. | ||
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:05 stepover12 wrote: watch Giffords herself talking about Palin's poster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7046bo92a4 Is it just a random shooting, is it all a coincidence? Or, is it not random?.. It's senseless violence, yes, but not in the perpetrator's mind. This is eerie. Listening to the woman that was just attacked talk about the political tone preceding this horrible tragedy. Clearly this has been building up for quite some time. | ||
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de7dv
Sweden8 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif) (he was neither, just very authoritarian) This image is from politicalcompass.org, which to me seems like a credible site. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
The fact remains that a member of congress was gunned down at point blank range by a man who, as all current research has shown, is batshit crazy. Resume telling people that fascism isn't a far right form of government. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:02 Warlike Prince wrote: "At least five other people, including members of her staff, were hurt." If more citizens would walk around armed no nut job would ever get off more than a couple shots off. Protect your selves people, no one is gunna do it for you If you're living in a society where, in order to be reasonably safe, you must be armed and ready to kill at a moments notice, you are not living in a civilized society! If you are living in a society where the only solution to curb violent maniacs is to yourself become a violent maniac, you are not living in a civilized society! Leave immediately for places where raving douchebags don't get to run around armed. This is only one step up from the "State of Nature" or general anarchy. Oh, and good job blaming the victims. Stay classy.  | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
RIP to those who died, and best wishes to their families and loved ones. T_T; | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
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IrGameStomp
United States22 Posts
On a side not political rhetoric on all sides needs to calm down. I truly wish policy was more important to rhetoric when it comes to deciding elections. | ||
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
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GunSec
1095 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:17 The KY wrote: To everyone arguing over whether fucking Hitler and Stalin are more right or left wing, fucking grow up, jesus christ. And for future reference the political spectrum insofar as it even exists is a diamond, not a line. Can't believe in a thread about a shooting there's a) some fucking half wit who's decided that a lunatic with a gun is the representative for the 'left wing' and b) people dumb enough to give him oxygen. Hope the survivors are OK, fucking sucks about the other victims. Did someone say a 9 year old was killed? That's so awful. I totally agree, show some respect to the victims! This is a fucking sad tragedy and really fucked up. | ||
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TributeBoxer
United States163 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:42 NicolBolas wrote: If you're living in a society where, in order to be reasonably safe, you must be armed and ready to kill at a moments notice, you are not living in a civilized society! If you are living in a society where the only solution to curb violent maniacs is to yourself become a violent maniac, you are not living in a civilized society! Leave immediately for places where raving douchebags don't get to run around armed. This is only one step up from the "State of Nature" or general anarchy. Oh, and good job blaming the victims. Stay classy. Cant believe you are calling people who act out in self defense violent maniacs. You are unhinged and need help | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
Sarah Palin had a bullseye over Gifford's face on her website. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:45 IrGameStomp wrote: That list of books appears to be an attempt to look intellectual. I don't think you can actually acquire any information such a diverse list of books. Also after watching the videos he appears to be a strong libertarian. Libertarianism doesn't belong to either political party. Socially they side with democrats economically they side with republicans. Even if he was a hardliner supporter of either party that would not condemn either party. Radicals on all sides have a tendency to take overly extreme actions. On a side not political rhetoric on all sides needs to calm down. I truly wish policy was more important to rhetoric when it comes to deciding elections. No it's actually about 90% of what you read in US high schools. Taking the list from 419's post. here's what you'd normally read in high school: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, To Kill A Mockingbird, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Through The Looking Glass, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels. So more or less everything. It's comes off more like he hasn't read much. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:31 CarlyZerg wrote: If this crazy shooter (and about half the responses in this thread) prove anything, it's that American politics atm is WAY too polemical. Both the American left and right essentially believe the other side are some combination of stupid, dishonest, and evil. The result is a paranoid and hostile political climate where when shit like this happens, rather than a universal condemnation of the villain(s) responsible, we get incredibly petty bickering and a race to identify the villain(s) as members of the 'other team'. But that's not true. Look at the volume and virulence of the rhetoric. Show me a left-wing leader who has actually suggested a "2nd amendment solution" to problems; this is nothing nothing less than a threat of violence. Show me a left-wing TV personality who has actively called for popular insurrection against the legally-elected government. Show me left-wing protests that prominently display armed protesters, where the people are proud to show their guns and basically daring someone to start something. I have never seen a left-wing protester carrying an assault rifle to a Bush rally when Bush was president. I have seen a right-wing protester doing the same during the Obama presidency. I would be far more willing to believe that right-wingers thing left-wingers are worse than left-wingers perceive right-wingers. And I am far more willing to believe that right-wing crazies are a greater threat to peace and civil discourse than left-wing crazies. That doesn't mean I think that all of the right are crazies, one step away from going apeshit. But it is very, very apparent that there are a lot more of their crazies who are out in force these days. And they're armed. | ||
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