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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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AllHailHydraGod
80 Posts
On May 06 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote: Forgive me, but I fail to see how no lynching day 1 is so ridiculous in a game with PR roles. Killing town off before having evidence to go off of only helps the mafia. By lynching some one instead of not lynching, thats a whole day less of PR roles gathering info. Could some one explain to me how no lynching is bad? All the people against that are very suspicious to me for the time being. On May 06 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote: I have always played in small games with PR roles on epicmafia.com where day 1 lynching a lot of the time is obscene and would get you called a noob pretty harshly so I dunno why people are so vehemently against it. This is how I was taught to play. I find this hard to believe because PRs can claim to avoid being lynched. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On May 10 2013 00:36 AllHailHydraGod wrote: I find this hard to believe because PRs can claim to avoid being lynched. Basically if you don't lynch day 1 you can mislynch the same guy day 2, but get an extra night for PRs to use skills. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 10 2013 02:27 Targe wrote: Basically if you don't lynch day 1 you can mislynch the same guy day 2, but get an extra night for PRs to use skills. pretty much. Even in games where the cop/tracker finds a mafia the first night you dont trust them first night because the janitor (blocks who got killed that night) could have done it to the tracker/cop and the "tracker/cop" is actually a mafia. This allows another night of PR actions to see if you can catch them lying or not. Thats the most popular setup on that site. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
@hydra You jumped in as the replacement with some good reads and analysis. Since then you've been much less active. You've been suspicious of spicy and targe previously - what are your current reads? @spicy I'd like to hear your thoughts as well as hydra's before N2 ends because I've liked your play more than most of the other players so far. You've pointed at casey and targe as scummy - do you still feel the same? @sugar, vayne, targe I'm not really sure who to shake my stick at now between the three of you. Shiro seemed very certain that vayne was scum, although we should probably take that with a grain of salt due to the rest of his play. Was he going somewhere or is this just a red herring? It doesn't seem like sugarfluff has done much of any scum-hunting. targe has been summarized by several players so far. I'm leaning towards lynching one of these guys right now. @nobody, jrkirby Why did you sign up if you weren't going to play? | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On May 10 2013 06:35 calgar wrote: @spicy I'd like to hear your thoughts as well as hydra's before N2 ends because I've liked your play more than most of the other players so far. You've pointed at casey and targe as scummy - do you still feel the same? I get a town read from hydra. He jumped right in, didnt waste time and started analyzing the other players, starting with me. He gave his opinions and asked a lot of questions. He could have just said some bs intro of himself but instead went right at it. Targe is still at the top of my scum list. Nothing he has said has changed anything. Since D2 was so disastrous we never really got any new info. This will probably change with the incoming mod kills. I feel Vayne is playing the long game and not giving out too much information to keep himself under the radar. But then after D2, the whole game basically feel to shit so there wasn't much to say. About casey, I'm not as sure about him as I am Targe, but he's been saying things that sound pretty scummy. He says this: On May 09 2013 08:45 eSpi.Casey wrote: Sorry i havent been able to check in the thread again before now, i will be here for atleast 1 more hour checking in on the thread now and then, il try to be here up until night but i cant promise i manage that yet. So where do we stand now ? Targe is set to be lynched at the moment, can everyone who have voted speak out if this is their final vote or is anyone of you open to change ? Let`s make this clear now so we dont have a situation like D1. My vote is on Jrkirby, i am open to change for Shiromaki, since he seems just as scum as Jrkirby now. @Shiromaki : Why havent you replied to my post to you ? And where is your ``catching up when you got of from the bar`` Give me an good answear before the Lynch to make me change my mind about you. Il now do the filter reading of Targe&Vayne wich i wanted to do earlier today but i diddent get time, so il try have an better opinion about them aswell before Night. Then he writes this: On May 09 2013 10:27 eSpi.Casey wrote: I dont have time to put any good read`s on Vayne&Targe now, iv read trough their filter`s one time, but i need more time to make up my mind, for now Jrkirby and Shiro are my scumread`s. And again you promised a long post today Shiro, and yet again excuse for them not coming, its always something, your not home, using your phone, and now your netboard... And i must agree with Sugarfluff about Jrkirby will be modkilled, also agreeing with Vayne here about your meaningless vote. Im very tempted to change my vote to you, and i might do, i will update the thread regulary now and see what other people think&do This kind of delayed opinion and false promise of analysis reeks of scum. He said he was going to give us a read on vayne and targe, but then jumped on the shiro wagon. The problem is that shiro was such a horrible player, its hard to tell if he put his vote on shiro because shiro was an ass, or to protect targe. The truth is we dont have Casey's opinion of targe anywhere. As such, i think targe and casey are possible scum buddies. I'd want a cop to check Casey out. | ||
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eSpi.Casey
Norway54 Posts
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On May 10 2013 08:00 eSpi.Casey wrote: I suggest you read through the topic again, i said i would give read on Targe/Vayne, but i diddent make it on time. So i choosed to wait and see what happend with the vote`s, i gave my reasons for what i was doing, and if you scroll back in D2, you can see i provided more post then many, i was pretty active, but i diddent get the time to make a good read for any of them before deadline, but as promised, the read`s on them will come on D3. I have been on work for the whole day, and i have half day tomorrow on work, so after that il come back and catch up. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you ran out of time before the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you wanted to see what would happen with the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you said you will wait for D3. Please tell me how this does not look scummy. You said you couldn't get a read before the deadline... so then you just stopped trying? That makes no sense. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj83ctnIbw1qe49wpo1_500.jpg) Day Three Geript and phagga both were in the center of town sitting on the same side of a low-standing, drab wooden table. Hostility was in the air alongside an air of ceremony. Both were silently supping from two different boxes of cereal. The would pass the Rusty Spoon of Vengeance between to each other to alternate bites of their breakfast from the Chipped Porcelain Bowl of Lip Smacking Goodness. One side of the bowl was filled with familiar shapes seen often enough before; the other was quite different--bland looking rugated squares with brightly colored spheres. Each would swivel in their chair to hand The Spoon to the other after they took their bite. As the town came around the table, they noticed two empty boxes on the ground each with most of the tape covering them removed. Just one strip of tape with names were left on the top and the colorful packaging, one reading AllHailHydra and the other Targe. Not even a stray piece was left in their bags and they were gone forever as their last bites were finished. Targe the Cap'n Crunch (Mafia rolecop) has been consumed AllHailHydra the Honeycomb (Vanilla townie) is now chyme I hate to do this and I apologize about the impact it will have on the game, but... jrkirby the Apple Jacks (Parity Cop) has been modkilled. Nobodywonder the Honeycomb (Vanilla townie) has been modkilled. Night 2 is over. Day 3 has begun. You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
Me, Sugarfluff, Vayne, Calgar, and Casey. We have to get the next two votes right perfectly or we are done. Before AllHailHydraGod, he was focusing on Calgar and thinks he might have been scum. jampidampi before he died suspected Casey of being scum. Both of them believed Targe to be scum. Right now I'm leaning towards Casey as he has been actively avoiding giving an analysis of Targe and never voted for him. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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eSpi.Casey
Norway54 Posts
On May 10 2013 08:35 Spicydinosaur wrote: You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you ran out of time before the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you wanted to see what would happen with the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you said you will wait for D3. Please tell me how this does not look scummy. You said you couldn't get a read before the deadline... so then you just stopped trying? That makes no sense. Give me a break..I said i would give a read on targe&vayne, but i diddent have enough time before the lynch, i told this and said i would wait until i had better time. Now you want to vote for me cause you diddent get that read in time, and cause i never voted for Targe ? Obvious i diddent vote for him cause i havent done a good read on him yet, iv done reading on other`s, and i think i was pretty active on D2 with many post`s and read`s, but i was focusing alot on Jrkirby, to much i guess. If you filter me you will see i have stated my reason`s for why i voted like i did. I will filter Sugar and comeback with my read`s on him later today. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
I am just normal town. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
Alright, good job on the targe hunch spicy. I'm not entirely sure you're dead next but there's probably a good chance. Time to turn things around while we still can. @vayne I've reread vayne's filter and changed my mind. I don't think he's played a very good game and he's said a lot of things that can be individually considered scummy, like his vague active lurking/'stalling for time' posts to start the game: On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote: and this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts On May 04 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote: Not enough information yet to know whether I want to lynch lurkers or not. I need at least a post from everyone first, as well as some votes to come in. then we'll see Then there was his insistence on withholding information (you realize when you don't share reads thats 3 mafia you're denying and 8 other towns... 8 seems more important 3...) but that's been mentioned a lot already. There is also the continued mention of a no-lynch and that has been discussed already as well. The no-lynch seems to come from his past experiences and he feels that it would genuinely help town. So even though there are all these individuals things I don't like about his play, I fail to see an overall scummy motivation in his actions as a whole. He made the targe case a while ago and was pushing his read there. I don't really see why scum would pressure targe back then so I can't really imagine that he would be making that case so early if he weren't town. This kind of clears him in my eyes for now. casey also seems to have tried to build a case on you so this can further confirm you I think. my scum team Regarding my scum team - I previously had sugarfluff, shirokami, and one other (likely casey or targe I said). I really thought shiro was going to flip red because he was so scummy, which made me feel like a targe + casey team was unlikely because shiro was higher on the priority list and the team was full. Now than he flipped as terribletown I think casey and targe make a lot more sense. I'll revise my scumteam now to targe, sugarfluff, and casey. casey and targe interaction I've thought casey has had bad posting but seemed to be making a genuine effort at some point. I was waiting for him to improve and he just hasn't and the clocks struck midnight for me. The newbiness and language make it tougher to interpret his true motives and I've probably given him the benefit of the doubt too long as a result. I do think it's striking that they fail to give opinions on each other. What bothers me is similar to what spicy has brought - promising to give reads and then just never delivering. Its excuse after excuse similar to shirokami, just no useful contributions. He seems to be pointing the finger at sugarfluff now - maybe he's doing this so sugar looks better when casey flips red? sugarfluff I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions. roleblocker? Also, if we can trust shiro saying he was roleblocked then this would suggest there is a roleblocker amongst the remaining players? I'm not really sure if we can use this information to our benefit since it may not be true. In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT. | ||
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